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04-04-2007, 14:55

Thanks Dan,

It appears this thread is veering way off the subject matter. Maybe
we can kill it now.

David Brady
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC

Dan wrote:
>
> Hi, several states have a maximum single axle weight of 20,000 lbs.
> You are over that already.
>
> Dan
> 88PT38
> Jackson, MS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: david brady
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:01 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Koni FSD Shocks
>
> steer: 16000lb
> drive: 25000lb (as reported to me by a Ridewell engineer)
> tag: 13200lb
>
> David Brady
> '02 LXi, Smokey
> NC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , "Don Bradner"
> wrote:
> >
> > What are the GAWR on your LXI? In other words, how much do you have
> to spare on that 14200/22000/11000?
> >
> > On 4/4/2007 at 11:41 PM david brady wrote:
> >
> > >That's right. The load/inflation charts provided by
> > >Michelin spec psi's from 85 through 130. I'm assuming
> > >that these are the only pressures recommended - so you
> > >are right. At 85psi, singles support 12830lb, well above
> > >what I need.
> > >
> > >At 130psi the 315 supports 18180 lb on a single.
> > >But even this isn't enough for late model Prevost' where
> > >they spec the 365/80/22.5 on the steer!
> >
> > Don Bradner
> > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > Eureka, CA
> >
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04-04-2007, 20:43

Right, you asked Brady how much he had to spare. When he said the axle would
carry 25K by engineer estimate it left out the fact that legal limit was less,
but you already knew that. I didn't know the interstate limit was 20K and that
is useful information.

Dan
88pt38
Jackson, MS
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Koni FSD Shocks

Actually, federal law on interstates. 20,000 for single, 34,000 for tandem.
Probably a reason the Prevost shifts weight to the steer.

A lot of big bus/motorhomes are lucky they don't have to cross the scales. My
drivers have a GAWR of 23,000, with actual weight of 19,300 when weighed with
about a half-tank of fuel; I figure another 900 there, and we just added a
Washer/Dryer over the drivers so I'm likely near 20,500 fully loaded.

Tickets normally start (for commercial rigs) at 5% over the limit.

On 4/4/2007 at 9:28 PM Dan wrote:

>Hi, several states have a maximum single axle weight of 20,000 lbs. You
>are over that already.
>
>Dan
>88PT38
>Jackson, MS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: david brady
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:01 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Koni FSD Shocks
>
>
> steer: 16000lb
> drive: 25000lb (as reported to me by a Ridewell engineer)
> tag: 13200lb
>
> David Brady
> '02 LXi, Smokey
> NC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
> wrote:
> >
> > What are the GAWR on your LXI? In other words, how much do you have
> to spare on that 14200/22000/11000?

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

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04-05-2007, 01:31

Don,
If you are overweight going through MD on route 95 in a MH and/or bus you are
required to go on the scales provided by MD DOT... Been there done that!!!

Sea Ya
Larry
NYC
84 35FCSB

----- Original Message ----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 10:51:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Koni FSD Shocks

Actually, federal law on interstates. 20,000 for single, 34,000 for
tandem. Probably a reason the Prevost shifts weight to the steer.

A lot of big bus/motorhomes are lucky they don't have to cross the scales. My
drivers have a GAWR of 23,000, with actual weight of 19,300 when weighed with
about a half-tank of fuel; I figure another 900 there, and we just added a
Washer/Dryer over the drivers so I'm likely near 20,500 fully loaded.

Tickets normally start (for commercial rigs) at 5% over the limit.

On 4/4/2007 at 9:28 PM Dan wrote:

>Hi, several states have a maximum single axle weight of 20,000 lbs. You

>are over that already.

>

>Dan

>88PT38

>Jackson, MS

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: david brady

> To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:01 PM

> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Koni FSD Shocks

>

>

> steer: 16000lb

> drive: 25000lb (as reported to me by a Ridewell engineer)

> tag: 13200lb

>

> David Brady

> '02 LXi, Smokey

> NC

>

> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Don Bradner"

> wrote:

> >

> > What are the GAWR on your LXI? In other words, how much do you have

> to spare on that 14200/22000/ 11000?

Don Bradner

90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"

Eureka, CA



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04-12-2007, 11:38

Brad,

When you're in there replacing the left tag wheel seal, do
the right too. Don't ask me how I know. The right side isn't
far behind. If you have to replace brake shoes do them in
pairs to along with drums. Sorry if this sounds pedantic.

David Brady
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC

brad barton wrote:
>
> Thanks for the response, Eric.
> We're running 120, 110 and 105 PSI front to back.
> Tightening up the shocks is the main order of business.
> I also have an oil seal leaking on the left tag wheel.
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> bbartonwx@...
>
> >From: "Eric Johnson" >
> >Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> >Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Koni FSD Shocks
> >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:13:59 -0000
> >
> >Brad,
> >My experience has been that lower tire pressures lead to more porpoising
> >and higher tire
> >pressures provide less. I run 105 psi in our fronts and get a pretty
> good
> >ride. There are
> >some sections of highway that can still make it feel like a
> buckboard, but
> >those are pretty
> >rare. Some bridge sections with prestressed concrete beams that are
> bowed.
> >Regards, Eric in San Antonio
> >84FC35SBWL2
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , "brad barton"
> <bbartonwx@...>
> >wrote:
> > >
> > > Jessie at BB confirmed that my original shocks can be tightened a
> > > quarter-turn to cut down on the porpoising. I've heard it also has to
> >do
> > > with running higher pressures in the tires, but I'd rather keep my
> tires
> >up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> > > bbartonwx@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Robert Britton"
> > > >Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > >Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Koni FSD Shocks
> > > >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:41:27 -0000
> > > >
> > > >BlueBird is now using the new Koni FSD shocks on their new motor
> homes
> > > >(self adjusting), they are now available for older BlueBirds.
> > > >
> > > >Is there anyone that has installed these on an older coach and if so
> > > >how do you like them? Are they available for both front and rear?
> > > >
> > > >I'm getting ready to replace the air bags and shocks on my coach, not
> > > >sure if I want to do the job myself, thinking of taking it to Holland
> > > >Motor Homes in San Diego and let them have at it.
> > > >
> > > >They will install the shocks and all air bags for $1062 plus parts.
> > > >
> > > >Robert Britton
> > > >87FC
> > > >Hollister, California
> > > >
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04-12-2007, 13:52

David,
I'm having it checked. You're probably right about doing the other side.
It makes sense, but my Newell showed the same thing..oil residue around the
left dual, and we just replaced the axle seal that was leaking and never had
to touch the other side. We did end up replacing both brake shoes and drums
on both sides, but that was with 145K miles. Even had to replate and weld
the frame cracks around the duals, but never replaced the curbside axle
seal.
I hope my bird with 37K won't need much of that maintenance for a while.
The bus chassis guy who worked on it was a big believer in..if it ain't
broke, don't even touch it. My two biggest concerns at the moment are a
terrific chatter at mid-coach which is probably an unsecured new kitchen
drain rubbing against the rear slide rail and cutting down on the
porpoising. Having it stored 40 miles away, using it every few weeks, it's
hard to get everything fixed up as quickly as I want.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
bbartonwx@...

>From: David Brady
>Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Koni FSD Shocks
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:38:23 -0400
>
>Brad,
>
>When you're in there replacing the left tag wheel seal, do
>the right too. Don't ask me how I know. The right side isn't
>far behind. If you have to replace brake shoes do them in
>pairs to along with drums. Sorry if this sounds pedantic.
>
>David Brady
>'02 LXi, Smokey
>NC
>
>brad barton wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the response, Eric.
> > We're running 120, 110 and 105 PSI front to back.
> > Tightening up the shocks is the main order of business.
> > I also have an oil seal leaking on the left tag wheel.
> >
> > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> > bbartonwx@...
> >
> > >From: "Eric Johnson" >
> > >Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > >Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Koni FSD Shocks
> > >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:13:59 -0000
> > >
> > >Brad,
> > >My experience has been that lower tire pressures lead to more
>porpoising
> > >and higher tire
> > >pressures provide less. I run 105 psi in our fronts and get a pretty
> > good
> > >ride. There are
> > >some sections of highway that can still make it feel like a
> > buckboard, but
> > >those are pretty
> > >rare. Some bridge sections with prestressed concrete beams that are
> > bowed.
> > >Regards, Eric in San Antonio
> > >84FC35SBWL2
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , "brad barton"
> > <bbartonwx@...>
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jessie at BB confirmed that my original shocks can be tightened a
> > > > quarter-turn to cut down on the porpoising. I've heard it also has
>to
> > >do
> > > > with running higher pressures in the tires, but I'd rather keep my
> > tires
> > >up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> > > > bbartonwx@...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Robert Britton"
> > > > >Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > > >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > > >Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Koni FSD Shocks
> > > > >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:41:27 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >BlueBird is now using the new Koni FSD shocks on their new motor
> > homes
> > > > >(self adjusting), they are now available for older BlueBirds.
> > > > >
> > > > >Is there anyone that has installed these on an older coach and if
>so
> > > > >how do you like them? Are they available for both front and rear?
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm getting ready to replace the air bags and shocks on my coach,
>not
> > > > >sure if I want to do the job myself, thinking of taking it to
>Holland
> > > > >Motor Homes in San Diego and let them have at it.
> > > > >
> > > > >They will install the shocks and all air bags for $1062 plus parts.
> > > > >
> > > > >Robert Britton
> > > > >87FC
> > > > >Hollister, California
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit
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05-12-2010, 10:55

Has anyone put Koni FSD shocks on a Wanderlodge other than a 380 or 450?
The FSDs are supposed to give a much improved ride due to their ability to self
ajust from stiffer to softer, based on current road conditions. Koni doesn't
show listing for the FSD for many Wanderlodge applications, but I was told that
may be because the FSD only came out about 4 or 5 years ago and Koni hasn't gone
back much farther than that fitting the FSDs to the older coachs. I was also
told that there may be currenttly available models of the FSD that would fit
those older coachs.

Wayne
96PT42

05-12-2010, 16:49

I don't think that Koni yet has an FSD that wiill work with our front ends,
although I'm not sure. That was definitely the case 3 years ago when we put new
Konis all around. We did put FSDs on the drivers and tag, with regular 90-series
on the front. Since the old shocks were not great the improvement was
substantial, but I have no way of knowing if the FSDs made any difference
compared to regulars.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1

On 5/12/2010 at 10:55 PM waynekotila wrote:

>Has anyone put Koni FSD shocks on a Wanderlodge other than a 380 or 450?
>The FSDs are supposed to give a much improved ride due to their ability to
>self ajust from stiffer to softer, based on current road conditions. Koni
>doesn't show listing for the FSD for many Wanderlodge applications, but I
>was told that may be because the FSD only came out about 4 or 5 years ago
>and Koni hasn't gone back much farther than that fitting the FSDs to the
>older coachs. I was also told that there may be currenttly available
>models of the FSD that would fit those older coachs.
>
>Wayne
>96PT42
>
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05-13-2010, 02:50

Hi Don, was your improvement in bounce or ride quality, and was the improvement noticed in the front and the rear of your coach? The FSDs are supposed to really help on eliminating jar and vibration from expansion cracks in the road.Where did you find the proper FSD shocks for your drive and tag axles.

Wayne Kotila

96PT42

From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:49:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Koni FSD shocks

I don't think that Koni yet has an FSD that wiill work with our front ends, although I'm not sure. That was definitely the case 3 years ago when we put new Konis all around. We did put FSDs on the drivers and tag, with regular 90-series on the front. Since the old shocks were not great the improvement was substantial, but I have no way of knowing if the FSDs made any difference compared to regulars.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1

On 5/12/2010 at 10:55 PM waynekotila wrote:

>Has anyone put Koni FSD shocks on a Wanderlodge other than a 380 or 450?
>The FSDs are supposed to give a much improved ride due to their ability to
>self ajust from stiffer to softer, based on current road conditions. Koni
>doesn't show listing for the FSD for many Wanderlodge applications, but I
>was told that may be because the FSD only came out about 4 or 5 years
ago
>and Koni hasn't gone back much farther than that fitting the FSDs to the
>older coachs. I was also told that there may be currenttly available
>models of the FSD that would fit those older coachs.
>
>Wayne
>96PT42
>
>
>
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05-13-2010, 04:03

Since the old shocks were bad, the clear improvement was in bounce.

I had them installed by Henderson's in Grants Pass, Oregon, and they called
KoniRV to get the appropriate numbers.

On 5/13/2010 at 7:50 AM Wayne Kotila wrote:

>Hi Don, was your improvement in bounce or ride quality, and was the
>improvement noticed in the front and the rear of your coach? The FSDs are
>supposed to really help on eliminating jar and vibration from expansion
>cracks in the road. Where did you find the proper FSD shocks for your
>drive and tag axles.
>
> Wayne Kotila
> 96PT42
>
>
> From: Don Bradner
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:49:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Koni FSD shocks
>
>
>
>I don't think that Koni yet has an FSD that wiill work with our front
>ends, although I'm not sure. That was definitely the case 3 years ago when
>we put new Konis all around. We did put FSDs on the drivers and tag, with
>regular 90-series on the front. Since the old shocks were not great the
>improvement was substantial, but I have no way of knowing if the FSDs made
>any difference compared to regulars.
>
>Don Bradner
>90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>
>On 5/12/2010 at 10:55 PM waynekotila wrote:
>
>>Has anyone put Koni FSD shocks on a Wanderlodge other than a 380 or 450?
>>The FSDs are supposed to give a much improved ride due to their ability to
>>self ajust from stiffer to softer, based on current road conditions. Koni
>>doesn't show listing for the FSD for many Wanderlodge applications, but I
>>was told that may be because the FSD only came out about 4 or 5 years ago
>>and Koni hasn't gone back much farther than that fitting the FSDs to the
>>older coachs. I was also told that there may be currenttly available
>>models of the FSD that would fit those older coachs.
>>
>>Wayne
>>96PT42
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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05-13-2010, 04:21

Thanks for the information Don.

Wayne

96PT42

From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 11:03:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Koni FSD shocks

Since the old shocks were bad, the clear improvement was in bounce.

I had them installed by Henderson's in Grants Pass, Oregon, and they called KoniRV to get the appropriate numbers.

On 5/13/2010 at 7:50 AM Wayne Kotila wrote:

>Hi Don, was your improvement in bounce or ride quality, and was the
>improvement noticed in the front and the rear of your coach? The FSDs are
>supposed to really help on eliminating jar and vibration from expansion
>cracks in the road. Where did you find the proper FSD shocks for your
>drive and tag axles.
>
> Wayne Kotila
> 96PT42
>
>
> From: Don Bradner <"bluethunder%40arcatapet.com">
>To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
>Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 11:49:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Koni FSD shocks
>
>
>
>I don't think that Koni yet has an FSD that wiill work with our front
>ends, although I'm not sure. That was definitely the case 3 years ago when
>we put new Konis all around. We did put FSDs on the drivers and tag, with
>regular 90-series on the front. Since the old shocks were not great the
>improvement was substantial, but I have no way of knowing if the FSDs made
>any difference compared to regulars.
>
>Don Bradner
>90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>My location: http://www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1
>
>On 5/12/2010 at 10:55 PM waynekotila wrote:
>
>>Has anyone put Koni FSD shocks on a Wanderlodge other than a 380 or 450?
>>The FSDs are supposed to give a
much improved ride due to their ability to
>>self ajust from stiffer to softer, based on current road conditions. Koni
>>doesn't show listing for the FSD for many Wanderlodge applications, but I
>>was told that may be because the FSD only came out about 4 or 5 years ago
>>and Koni hasn't gone back much farther than that fitting the FSDs to the
>>older coachs. I was also told that there may be currenttly available
>>models of the FSD that would fit those older coachs.
>>
>>Wayne
>>96PT42
>>
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