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04-06-2007, 03:27

Yep, it does not say that on the road. My point is that, if you really get out
there and look, you will run into signs like that in a lot of states, and if you
decide to cross the scales every time you see one you can eventually expect to
have a confrontation with someone angry about you taking up their space/time.

Unless someone can show otherwise (and this discussion has been held many, many
times in RV forums without anyone coming up with an actual exception), I will
say that there are zero states where the scales apply to anything but
commercial. RVs only have to cross them when they are being driven by delivery
drivers, and those will be correctly tagged.

On 4/6/2007 at 8:18 AM Larry wrote:

>Don,
>All well and good... It does not say that on the road, so I would take
>that as ALL vehicles regardless whether a truck, bus or RV...

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

04-06-2007, 04:08

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
wrote:Hi Don Just after 9/11 SD started pulling RV
into the scales that lasted about one month.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36.

>
> Yep, it does not say that on the road. My point is that, if you
really get out there and look, you will run into signs like that in
a lot of states, and if you decide to cross the scales every time
you see one you can eventually expect to have a confrontation with
someone angry about you taking up their space/time.
>
> Unless someone can show otherwise (and this discussion has been
held many, many times in RV forums without anyone coming up with an
actual exception), I will say that there are zero states where the
scales apply to anything but commercial. RVs only have to cross them
when they are being driven by delivery drivers, and those will be
correctly tagged.
>
> On 4/6/2007 at 8:18 AM Larry wrote:
>
> >Don,
> >All well and good... It does not say that on the road, so I would
take
> >that as ALL vehicles regardless whether a truck, bus or RV...
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> Eureka, CA
>

04-06-2007, 04:25

OK, but in order to do that, they did something overt, right? There had to be
some way all those RV drivers who "know" you don't go into scales now "knew"
that they had to?

On 4/6/2007 at 4:08 PM robertnloomas wrote:

>Hi Don Just after 9/11 SD started pulling RV
>into the scales that lasted about one month.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

04-06-2007, 05:15

----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Overweight
Don They did.There were sings up for RV to inter.
Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

OK, but in order to do that, they did something overt, right? There had to be
some way all those RV drivers who "know" you don't go into scales now "knew"
that they had to?

On 4/6/2007 at 4:08 PM robertnloomas wrote:

>Hi Don Just after 9/11 SD started pulling RV
>into the scales that lasted about one month.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

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04-06-2007, 05:43

That's what I figured. A sign telling RVs to enter the scales is a whole
different thing, and if I ever see one I will enter as asked. I wasn't RVing in
the months just after 9/11, so I never saw any of that.

On 4/6/2007 at 12:15 PM bloomas wrote:

> Don They did.There were sings up for RV to inter.
> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36
>
>
> OK, but in order to do that, they did something overt, right? There had
>to be some way all those RV drivers who "know" you don't go into scales
>now "knew" that they had to?

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

04-06-2007, 06:21

Going back to the original comment about the weight station on 95 in
Maryland indicating all vehicles over 5T GVW must go across the
scales - I travel 95 frequently through Maryland and historically
took the position that based on extensive travels through the US and
Canada that they must not really intend for Motorhomes to stop at the
weight station. I had in fact driven by the weight station with out
stopping several times but, I remained uncomfortable with the wording
on the sign and decided to contact the Maryland authorities on this
topic. I contacted "Truck Weigh and Inspections Stations, call the
Maryland State Police, Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Division, 901
Elkridge Landing Road, Room 300, Linthicum Heights, MD 21090,
Telephone 410-694-6100" They informed me that RV's are indeed exempt
and these signs, while they do not specifically say so, are intent
for commercial vehicles. I asked for the specific statute so I could
print a copy to carry if I was ever stopped and was told that they
did not think that section of the statutes was up on the INTERNET yet
but not to worry, I would NOT be stopped for passing by the weight
station. Call them yourselves at the phone number above if you want -
I'm satisfied and will keep flying by the scales without stopping.
However, if any of you folks do find the statute on the marylandroads
web site, please send me a copy!
Harry Saddock
83FC35
South Windsor, CT

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Larry
wrote:
>
> Don,
> No I did not get a ticket... Their signage said all vehicles over a
certain weight, can't remember the amount, it was considerable less
than my BB, is required to go on the scales... I think that would
mean us in the BB's, also...
>
> Sea Ya
> Larry
> NYC
> 84 35FCSB
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:26:01 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight
>
>
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> Required how? Did you get a ticket?
>
>
>
> I've triggered "Enter Scales" signs on various interstates when
crossing the weigh-in-motion pre-checks. I've always ignored them,
and plan to continue to do so.
>
>
>
> There is nothing in the Maryland Motor Carrier Handbook to indicate
that their rules differ from any other state.
>
>
>
> On 4/5/2007 at 6:31 AM Larry wrote:
>
>
>
> >Don,
>
> >If you are overweight going through MD on route 95 in a MH and/or
bus you
>
> >are required to go on the scales provided by MD DOT... Been there
done
>
> >that!!!
>
>
>
> Don Bradner
>
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>
> Eureka, CA
>
>
>
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>

04-06-2007, 06:35

Bob Loomas is correct, he should know being a commercial truck driver
for many many years. Weighing stations do not want motorhomes to go
through their facilities since they can cause traffic to back up and
are a potentil traffic safety hazards. But if you do mistakenly go
thru a scale and are in violation of one or more laws you can bet
your bottom dollar that you will be cited and fined. Why would any
motorhome owner even think about using one?

Weigh stations are for checking the regulatory compliance of
commercial trucks ONLY, and each state comes under the direction of
the Department of Transportation (DOT). They are already over
burdened by the dramatic increase of commercial trucks on the roads.
Some states (Virginia for instance) have renamed weigh stations and
are now calling them Motor Carrier Service Centers others like
California are calling them Commercial Vehicle Enforcement
Facilities (commonly called Weigh Stations or Truck
Scales), http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/trucks/weight/. The
renaming of weigh stations should give everyone a clue as to their
purpose and whom they service. I quickly checked the various states
and could not find one single reference to motorhomes but someone
else can try if they like. http://www.coopsareopen.com/ . A word to
the wise.sometimes a little common sense is the best policy....let
sleeping dogs lie.

tom warner
vernon center,ny
1985 PT 40

At 11:18 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote:
>Don,
>All well and good... It does not say that on the road, so I would
>take that as ALL vehicles regardless whether a truck, bus or RV...
>
>Sea Ya
>Larry
>NYC
>84 35FCSB
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Don Bradner
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:15:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight
>
>
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> The sign you are talking about is found here in the
> Maryland Sign book:
>
>
>
>http://www.sha. state.md. us/businesswiths ha/bizStdsSpecs/
>desManualStdPub/ publicationsonli ne/oots/pdf/ R13-1(1).pdf
>
>
>
>If that wraps, use this: http://tinyurl. com/367kks
>
>
>
>A lot of states are like that, and many use 5 tons, but most say
>over 10,000 lbs. Look in the lower right for what the sign is called.
>
>
>
>On 4/5/2007 at 8:00 PM Larry wrote:
>
>
>
> >Bob,
>
> >If it means only commercial vehicles, then it should state that, and not
>
> >all vehicles...
>
> >
>
> >Sea Ya
>
> >Larry
>
> >NYC
>
> >84 35FCSB
>
> >
>
> >----- Original Message ----
>
> >From: bloomas
>
> >To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> >Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 10:30:01 PM
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> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight
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> > From: Larry
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> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
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> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:44 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight
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> >It means commercial vehicle only.
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> > Bob Loomas ex over the road truck driver
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> >Don,
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> > No I did not get a ticket... Their signage said all vehicles over a
>
> >certain weight, can't remember the amount, it was considerable less than
>
> >my BB, is required to go on the scales... I think that would mean us in
>
> >the BB's, also...
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> >Sea Ya
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> > Larry
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> > NYC
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> > 84 35FCSB
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>
> >
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> >
>
> >----- Original Message ----
>
> >
>
> > From: Don Bradner
>
> >
>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> >
>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:26:01 AM
>
> >
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> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight
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> >Required how? Did you get a ticket?
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> >I've triggered "Enter Scales" signs on various interstates when crossing
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> >the weigh-in-motion pre-checks. I've always ignored them, and plan to
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> >There is nothing in the Maryland Motor Carrier Handbook to indicate that
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> >their rules differ from any other state.
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> >On 4/5/2007 at 6:31 AM Larry wrote:
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04-06-2007, 06:39

Sadly I am overweight also but the coach passes. What do I do ??
Have a happy Bunny day
Stephen 77fc35 happily underweight

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "hsaddock" wrote:
>
> Going back to the original comment about the weight station on 95 in
> Maryland indicating all vehicles over 5T GVW must go across the
> scales - I travel 95 frequently through Maryland and historically
> took the position that based on extensive travels through the US and
> Canada that they must not really intend for Motorhomes to stop at the
> weight station. I had in fact driven by the weight station with out
> stopping several times but, I remained uncomfortable with the wording
> on the sign and decided to contact the Maryland authorities on this
> topic. I contacted "Truck Weigh and Inspections Stations, call the
> Maryland State Police, Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Division, 901
> Elkridge Landing Road, Room 300, Linthicum Heights, MD 21090,
> Telephone 410-694-6100" They informed me that RV's are indeed exempt
> and these signs, while they do not specifically say so, are intent
> for commercial vehicles. I asked for the specific statute so I could
> print a copy to carry if I was ever stopped and was told that they
> did not think that section of the statutes was up on the INTERNET yet
> but not to worry, I would NOT be stopped for passing by the weight
> station. Call them yourselves at the phone number above if you want -
> I'm satisfied and will keep flying by the scales without stopping.
> However, if any of you folks do find the statute on the marylandroads
> web site, please send me a copy!
> Harry Saddock
> 83FC35
> South Windsor, CT
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Larry
> wrote:
> >
> > Don,
> > No I did not get a ticket... Their signage said all vehicles over a
> certain weight, can't remember the amount, it was considerable less
> than my BB, is required to go on the scales... I think that would
> mean us in the BB's, also...
> >
> > Sea Ya
> > Larry
> > NYC
> > 84 35FCSB
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Don Bradner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:26:01 AM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Required how? Did you get a ticket?
> >
> >
> >
> > I've triggered "Enter Scales" signs on various interstates when
> crossing the weigh-in-motion pre-checks. I've always ignored them,
> and plan to continue to do so.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is nothing in the Maryland Motor Carrier Handbook to indicate
> that their rules differ from any other state.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/5/2007 at 6:31 AM Larry wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >Don,
> >
> > >If you are overweight going through MD on route 95 in a MH and/or
> bus you
> >
> > >are required to go on the scales provided by MD DOT... Been there
> done
> >
> > >that!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Don Bradner
> >
> > 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> >
> > Eureka, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

04-06-2007, 07:37

Guys,
Also, all the other states you go through do not say ALL vehicles, they say only
commercial vehicles or trucks... This only happened in MD, where the sign read
ALL vehicles...

Sea Ya
Larry
NYC
84 35FCSB

----- Original Message ----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 1:43:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Overweight

That's what I figured. A sign telling RVs to enter the scales is a
whole different thing, and if I ever see one I will enter as asked. I wasn't
RVing in the months just after 9/11, so I never saw any of that.

On 4/6/2007 at 12:15 PM bloomas wrote:

> Don They did.There were sings up for RV to inter.

> Bob Loomas 1985 PT 36

>

>

> OK, but in order to do that, they did something overt, right? There had

>to be some way all those RV drivers who "know" you don't go into scales

>now "knew" that they had to?

Don Bradner

90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"

Eureka, CA



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04-06-2007, 07:47

Tom,
For the most part they are all correct... Now what happens when you get a
disgruntled police officer that is new to the job and takes the signage
litterally and then stops you because he thinks you avoided going over the
scales and issues you a ticket, which you apparently can get squashed, then you
have to take the time to do this... As I see it, it is easier to go over the
scales then to take chances that you may be stopped... If enough people do this
then they will have to change the signage to the appropriate wording...

Sea Ya
Larry
NYC
84 35FCSB

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Warner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 2:35:03 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

Bob Loomas is correct, he should know being a commercial truck
driver

for many many years. Weighing stations do not want motorhomes to go

through their facilities since they can cause traffic to back up and

are a potentil traffic safety hazards. But if you do mistakenly go

thru a scale and are in violation of one or more laws you can bet

your bottom dollar that you will be cited and fined. Why would any

motorhome owner even think about using one?

Weigh stations are for checking the regulatory compliance of

commercial trucks ONLY, and each state comes under the direction of

the Department of Transportation (DOT). They are already over

burdened by the dramatic increase of commercial trucks on the roads.

Some states (Virginia for instance) have renamed weigh stations and

are now calling them Motor Carrier Service Centers others like

California are calling them Commercial Vehicle Enforcement

Facilities (commonly called Weigh Stations or Truck

Scales), http://www.dot. ca.gov/hq/ traffops/ trucks/weight/ . The

renaming of weigh stations should give everyone a clue as to their

purpose and whom they service. I quickly checked the various states

and could not find one single reference to motorhomes but someone

else can try if they like. http://www.coopsare open.com/ . A word to

the wise.sometimes a little common sense is the best policy....let

sleeping dogs lie.

tom warner

vernon center,ny

1985 PT 40

At 11:18 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote:

>Don,

>All well and good... It does not say that on the road, so I would

>take that as ALL vehicles regardless whether a truck, bus or RV...

>

>Sea Ya

>Larry

>NYC

>84 35FCSB

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: Don Bradner

>To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

>Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:15:36 PM

>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

>

> The sign you are talking about is found here in the

> Maryland Sign book:

>

>

>

>http://www.sha. state.md. us/businesswiths ha/bizStdsSpecs/

>desManualStdPub/ publicationsonli ne/oots/pdf/ R13-1(1).pdf

>

>

>

>If that wraps, use this: http://tinyurl. com/367kks

>

>

>

>A lot of states are like that, and many use 5 tons, but most say

>over 10,000 lbs. Look in the lower right for what the sign is called.

>

>

>

>On 4/5/2007 at 8:00 PM Larry wrote:

>

>

>

> >Bob,

>

> >If it means only commercial vehicles, then it should state that, and not

>

> >all vehicles...

>

> >

>

> >Sea Ya

>

> >Larry

>

> >NYC

>

> >84 35FCSB

>

> >

>

> >----- Original Message ----

>

> >From: bloomas

>

> >To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

>

> >Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 10:30:01 PM

>

> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

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> > ----- Original Message -----

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> > From: Larry

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> >

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> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

>

> >

>

> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:44 PM

>

> >

>

> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

>

> >

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>

> >It means commercial vehicle only.

>

> >

>

> > Bob Loomas ex over the road truck driver

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >Don,

>

> >

>

> > No I did not get a ticket... Their signage said all vehicles over a

>

> >certain weight, can't remember the amount, it was considerable less than

>

> >my BB, is required to go on the scales... I think that would mean us in

>

> >the BB's, also...

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >Sea Ya

>

> >

>

> > Larry

>

> >

>

> > NYC

>

> >

>

> > 84 35FCSB

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >----- Original Message ----

>

> >

>

> > From: Don Bradner

>

> >

>

> > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com

>

> >

>

> > Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:26:01 AM

>

> >

>

> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Overweight

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >Required how? Did you get a ticket?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >I've triggered "Enter Scales" signs on various interstates when crossing

>

> >the weigh-in-motion pre-checks. I've always ignored them, and plan to

>

> >continue to do so.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >There is nothing in the Maryland Motor Carrier Handbook to indicate that

>

> >their rules differ from any other state.

>

> >

>

> >

>

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