Safe-T-Plus

[David Brady]

Well I finally decided to try the safe-t-plus. Of course the
primary reason is safety during a tire blowout. What I wasn't
prepared for was the completely transformed driving experience
that I now have. Cross winds, uneven pavement, pot holes,
passing, etc, the coach is incredibly stable. Now she
motors down the road with a pinky on the wheel. Let's face it
folks, Wanderlodges have a bit of a bump steer problem - the
safe-t-plus does a great job of compensating for that.

NFI,

David Brady
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC

[Eric Johnson]

David,
Safe-T-Plus was introduced to me at a RIV a few years back with many owner
endorsements. I had it installed by a vendor at RIV and it has done a great job
of reducing
some of the "wander" in my Wanderlodge. Glad it works for you as well.
Regards, Eric in San Antonio
84FC35SBWL2

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, David Brady wrote:
>
> Well I finally decided to try the safe-t-plus. Of course the
> primary reason is safety during a tire blowout. What I wasn't
> prepared for was the completely transformed driving experience
> that I now have. Cross winds, uneven pavement, pot holes,
> passing, etc, the coach is incredibly stable. Now she
> motors down the road with a pinky on the wheel. Let's face it
> folks, Wanderlodges have a bit of a bump steer problem - the
> safe-t-plus does a great job of compensating for that.
>
> NFI,
>
> David Brady
> '02 LXi, Smokey
> NC
>

[msecoolcal@...]

Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving result
between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus has a shock
absorber and the other one on the market has springs.

Matthew
1979fcsb
So Cal



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[Pete Masterson]

The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system
with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.

I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where
I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've
driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is
a little less precise than some other designs...

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lockhart Texas



On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> result
> between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus
> has a shock
> absorber and the other one on the market has springs.

[Rob Robinson]

Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that generally
said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first have
your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid solution
to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves me
correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that reduced
wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was expressed
that the extra force required by the power steering pump to overcome the
added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.

On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system
> with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
>
> I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where
> I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've
> driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is
> a little less precise than some other designs...
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> aeonix1@...
> On the road at Lockhart Texas
>
> On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%40aol.com>wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > result
> > between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus
> > has a shock
> > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


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[Chuck Wheeler]

Our BB had Safe-T-Plus. It wasn't handling very well so I took it off to
see if it made and difference. It was Horrible! I figured that it should
be drivable without the Safe-T-Plus so I had the Panhard Rod bushings
rebuild, new tie rod ends, rebuilt power steering, and an alignment. At
this point it handled much better that it had with the Safe-T-Plus. Then I
put the Safe-T-Plus back on and it was wonderful! Bottom line, don't try to
fix other problems with any steering assist.



- Chuck Wheeler -

82 FC 31 SB

Fort Worth, TX

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Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 11:03 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: safe-t-plus



The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system
with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.

I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where
I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've
driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is
a little less precise than some other designs...

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@mac. com
On the road at Lockhart Texas

On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@aol.
com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> result
> between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus
> has a shock
> absorber and the other one on the market has springs.





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[Curt Sprenger]

Rob,
Your memory serves well.

Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, Calif.



Rob Robinson wrote:

> Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that generally
> said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first have
> your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid
> solution
> to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves me
> correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that reduced
> wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was expressed
> that the extra force required by the power steering pump to overcome the
> added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.
>
> On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson > > wrote:
> >
> > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system
> > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
> >
> > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where
> > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've
> > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is
> > a little less precise than some other designs...
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > aeonix1@...
> > On the road at Lockhart Texas
> >
> > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@...
> <msecoolcal%40aol.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > > result
> > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus
> > > has a shock
> > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

[David Brady]

On the safe-t-plus web site there's a cutaway of the shock absorber
used - it does contain springs. I'd agree with others that the addition
of a safe-t-plus to compensate for warn kingpins, panhard rods, or
ball joints is not a good idea. Have the system thoroughly gone over
before you add the safe-t-plus. I did. I also drove my bus 40K miles
without the safe-t-plus and know that it handles okay without it. I
was told by Wendell at Blue Bird, and George Morris at Bleakley
that the safe-t-plus is a worthwhile addition, both in terms of the safety
provided during a blow out (I was assured that without it I'd be in
a ditch), and in terms of improved handling. George explained to me
how our Bird's steering is effected by body roll and bounce, and my
experience with wandering steering confirms this. The safe-t-plus
greatly reduces the wandering under side winds, body roll, or suspension
jounce. When making a turn, I can feel the increased pressure put on the
power steering pump; turning the wheel does require more effort and no
doubt puts additional strain on the steering mechanisms. Will there be
additional wear and tear caused by the safe-t-plus? Probably. Is it worth
the trade off of not landing in a ditch during a blow out or of a more
controllable
vehicle under all conditions? Each of us needs to make our own decision on
that. All I can say is that it is very strongly recommended by the folks who
actually built the bus.

David Brady
'02 LXi, Smokey
NC

msecoolcal@... wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving result
> between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus has
> a shock
> absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
>
> Matthew
> 1979fcsb
> So Cal
>
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[erniecarpet@...]

I have the Howard Power Center on my coach. i used it for a shorth time when
i first bought the coach. Then, i just got use to not using it.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt




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[Gregory OConnor]

Rob, Thanks, If I commented about bandaid fixes and using TrueValue
springs and clamp bolts to reengineere a design issue, It would have
come across as an attact to the folks who fell for the sales pitch,
or drove the flawed product.

I do like the blow out propaganda, hopefully both springs pop off at
the same time from the tire cords and belts. one spring remaining
would pull a quick circle. I think the testimonials are from
survivers of a rear tire blow out.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
wrote:
>
> Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that
generally
> said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first
have
> your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid
solution
> to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves
me
> correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that
reduced
> wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was
expressed
> that the extra force required by the power steering pump to
overcome the
> added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump.
>
> On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson wrote:
> >
> > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center
system
> > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no
> > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as
> > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven.
> >
> > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than
> > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest
> > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago
(where
> > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks
I've
> > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/
> > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering
design is
> > a little less precise than some other designs...
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > aeonix1@...
> > On the road at Lockhart Texas
> >
> > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%
40aol.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving
> > > result
> > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The
safeTplus
> > > has a shock
> > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>