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05-12-2007, 03:15
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Well I finally decided to try the safe-t-plus. Of course the
primary reason is safety during a tire blowout. What I wasn't prepared for was the completely transformed driving experience that I now have. Cross winds, uneven pavement, pot holes, passing, etc, the coach is incredibly stable. Now she motors down the road with a pinky on the wheel. Let's face it folks, Wanderlodges have a bit of a bump steer problem - the safe-t-plus does a great job of compensating for that. NFI, David Brady '02 LXi, Smokey NC |
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05-12-2007, 23:19
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David,
Safe-T-Plus was introduced to me at a RIV a few years back with many owner endorsements. I had it installed by a vendor at RIV and it has done a great job of reducing some of the "wander" in my Wanderlodge. Glad it works for you as well. Regards, Eric in San Antonio 84FC35SBWL2 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, David Brady > > Well I finally decided to try the safe-t-plus. Of course the > primary reason is safety during a tire blowout. What I wasn't > prepared for was the completely transformed driving experience > that I now have. Cross winds, uneven pavement, pot holes, > passing, etc, the coach is incredibly stable. Now she > motors down the road with a pinky on the wheel. Let's face it > folks, Wanderlodges have a bit of a bump steer problem - the > safe-t-plus does a great job of compensating for that. > > NFI, > > David Brady > '02 LXi, Smokey > NC > |
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05-13-2007, 01:51
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Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving result
between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus has a shock absorber and the other one on the market has springs. Matthew 1979fcsb So Cal ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-13-2007, 06:03
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The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system
with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as this is the first and only BB I've ever driven. I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/ lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is a little less precise than some other designs... Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 aeonix1@... On the road at Lockhart Texas On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving > result > between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus > has a shock > absorber and the other one on the market has springs. |
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05-13-2007, 08:19
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Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that generally
said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first have your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid solution to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves me correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that reduced wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was expressed that the extra force required by the power steering pump to overcome the added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump. On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven. > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/ > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is > a little less precise than some other designs... > > Pete Masterson > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > aeonix1@... > On the road at Lockhart Texas > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal%40aol.com>wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving > > result > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus > > has a shock > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs. > > > -- Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson 94 WLWB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-13-2007, 08:37
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Our BB had Safe-T-Plus. It wasn't handling very well so I took it off to
see if it made and difference. It was Horrible! I figured that it should be drivable without the Safe-T-Plus so I had the Panhard Rod bushings rebuild, new tie rod ends, rebuilt power steering, and an alignment. At this point it handled much better that it had with the Safe-T-Plus. Then I put the Safe-T-Plus back on and it was wonderful! Bottom line, don't try to fix other problems with any steering assist. - Chuck Wheeler - 82 FC 31 SB Fort Worth, TX _____ From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Masterson Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 11:03 AM To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: safe-t-plus The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as this is the first and only BB I've ever driven. I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/ lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is a little less precise than some other designs... Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 aeonix1@mac. On the road at Lockhart Texas On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@aol. com wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving > result > between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus > has a shock > absorber and the other one on the market has springs. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-13-2007, 09:49
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Rob,
Your memory serves well. Curt Sprenger 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" Anaheim Hills, Calif. Rob Robinson wrote: > Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that generally > said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first have > your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid > solution > to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves me > correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that reduced > wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was expressed > that the extra force required by the power steering pump to overcome the > added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump. > > On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson > > > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system > > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no > > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as > > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven. > > > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than > > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest > > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where > > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've > > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/ > > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is > > a little less precise than some other designs... > > > > Pete Masterson > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > > aeonix1@... > > On the road at Lockhart Texas > > > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... > > > > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving > > > result > > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus > > > has a shock > > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs. > > > > > > > > -- > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson > 94 WLWB > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > |
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05-13-2007, 10:07
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On the safe-t-plus web site there's a cutaway of the shock absorber
used - it does contain springs. I'd agree with others that the addition of a safe-t-plus to compensate for warn kingpins, panhard rods, or ball joints is not a good idea. Have the system thoroughly gone over before you add the safe-t-plus. I did. I also drove my bus 40K miles without the safe-t-plus and know that it handles okay without it. I was told by Wendell at Blue Bird, and George Morris at Bleakley that the safe-t-plus is a worthwhile addition, both in terms of the safety provided during a blow out (I was assured that without it I'd be in a ditch), and in terms of improved handling. George explained to me how our Bird's steering is effected by body roll and bounce, and my experience with wandering steering confirms this. The safe-t-plus greatly reduces the wandering under side winds, body roll, or suspension jounce. When making a turn, I can feel the increased pressure put on the power steering pump; turning the wheel does require more effort and no doubt puts additional strain on the steering mechanisms. Will there be additional wear and tear caused by the safe-t-plus? Probably. Is it worth the trade off of not landing in a ditch during a blow out or of a more controllable vehicle under all conditions? Each of us needs to make our own decision on that. All I can say is that it is very strongly recommended by the folks who actually built the bus. David Brady '02 LXi, Smokey NC msecoolcal@... wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving result > between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus has > a shock > absorber and the other one on the market has springs. > > Matthew > 1979fcsb > So Cal > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. <http://www.aol.com.> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-13-2007, 10:21
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I have the Howard Power Center on my coach. i used it for a shorth time when
i first bought the coach. Then, i just got use to not using it. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston, Mt ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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05-13-2007, 11:16
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Rob, Thanks, If I commented about bandaid fixes and using TrueValue
springs and clamp bolts to reengineere a design issue, It would have come across as an attact to the folks who fell for the sales pitch, or drove the flawed product. I do like the blow out propaganda, hopefully both springs pop off at the same time from the tire cords and belts. one spring remaining would pull a quick circle. I think the testimonials are from survivers of a rear tire blow out. GregoryO'Connor 94ptRomolandCa --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson" > > Several years ago I remember a thread on steering devices that generally > said if you were buying one to correct 'wandering' you should first have > your steering checked out to see if you are just applying a bandaid solution > to a worn or out of adjustment system. Further, if my memory serves me > correctly, several responses warned against buying any sytem that reduced > wandering by adding resistance to the steering systerm. It was expressed > that the extra force required by the power steering pump to overcome the > added resistance could cause premature wear and tear on the PS pump. > > On 13/05/07, Pete Masterson > > > > The previous owner of my coach installed a Blue Ox True Center system > > with adjustable centering. I guess it's effective as I find no > > problems with the steering -- but I have no basis of comparison as > > this is the first and only BB I've ever driven. > > > > I will observe that the BB steering is a little less precise than > > some other larger vehicles I've driven, but the BB is the largest > > vehicle I've driven since I was in the Army some 40 years ago (where > > I was licensed up through 18 wheelers) -- various rental trucks I've > > driven intermediate to that time were all considerably smaller/ > > lighter than the BB. Someone commented that the BB steering design is > > a little less precise than some other designs... > > > > Pete Masterson > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 > > aeonix1@... > > On the road at Lockhart Texas > > > > On May 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, msecoolcal@... <msecoolcal% 40aol.com>wrote: > > > > > Can anyone tell me if there is a difference in the final driving > > > result > > > between one safety steering attachment and another. The safeTplus > > > has a shock > > > absorber and the other one on the market has springs. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson > 94 WLWB > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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