Removing ceramic tile from a Bird.

[erniecarpet@...]

Pete- unless your plywood is really damaged, a good floor patch will help
you in your wood installation, without the need for total wood subfloor
replacement.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt
---Flooring Bidness since 1972



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[Pete Masterson]

Getting ready to install a new floor. After some debate, we've picked
out a bamboo flooring -- solid strips that are glued or nailed down.
(We'll glue 'em down.)

Since the galley area tile is in a difficult configuration -- it's
got a convex curve around the dining table -- we're pulling it up and
going to simply run the bamboo throughout the area. Had the tile been
in a more rectangular layout, we might have been inclined to leave it
in place as it would have not been so difficult to install wood
flooring nearby.

For those with a later model 'bird, if you're thinking of taking out
some of the tile flooring, here's what you're in for.

The tile was glued with a very powerful (I'd guess an epoxy-type)
adhesive to Wonderboard, a cement-like product used as underlay or
wall backing behind better tile installations. The Wonderboard was,
in turn, epoxy glued to the plywood sub-floor. (The glue was so
powerful, that a layer of the plywood would come up with the
Wonderboard/tile.) In addition, _several_ dozen screws were run
through the Wonderboard into the sub-floor.

About 9 sq. ft. of tile took about 6 hours (at my rate) to chisel off
the sub-floor. Next, I'll have to cut out that section of sub-floor
(that runs under the kitchen counter) as it is simply too fouled with
the remains of the Wonderboard and glue -- and the gouges made when
chiseling the tile with a pry bar.

I have to admit, that the Blue Bird craftsmanship in laying this tile
was excellent. I don't think the tile would ever have worked loose on
its own -- ever.

As for the carpet -- it was a pretty typical installation. Tack
strips bounding transitions to other flooring (the tile) and staples
along the edges. Different pieces/colors of carpet were joined with
heat activated carpet tape. In pulling up the carpet, I was mildly
surprised at the number of stains and obvious quantities of moisture
that had soaked the carpet over the years. While the colors are a
little faded and less vibrant than a new carpet, it actually had held
up rather well considering the amount of use -- and abuse -- it got.

I'm not seeking any help at this point, but this description is to
help others who might be contemplating a similar upgrade.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
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[dspithaler@...]

Pete I think that sub floor is marine grade plywood really resistant to
moisture. I took my 12" X 12" oak in the kitchen up & patched the floor. I
predrilled my oak & used a real small trim screw to scerw in through the
tongue of the oak. I've had it down for a year & still doing good.
Don
89 SP 36'
Butler, PA

One sub-floor board, directly in front of the galley, still has
considerable quantities of the Wonderboard and epoxy bonded to it.
Had it been a matter of merely filling a few depressions, the floor
patch would be OK ... indeed, I plan to use a floor patch material on
some gouges to a sub-floor board by the refrigerator. However, the
raised combination of the cement-like Wonderboard remains plus the
epoxy-type adhesive on the board would probably require many more
hours of scraping to remove. It seems easier to simply cut out the
half-board and replace it. (I hope the sub-floor isn't glued to the
supporting structure underneath.)

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA






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[erniecarpet@...]

We had to replace the plywood in Towanda- not a fun project. I'm surprised
the wonderboard was glued. Mine was screwed.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt




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[Pete Masterson]

One sub-floor board, directly in front of the galley, still has
considerable quantities of the Wonderboard and epoxy bonded to it.
Had it been a matter of merely filling a few depressions, the floor
patch would be OK ... indeed, I plan to use a floor patch material on
some gouges to a sub-floor board by the refrigerator. However, the
raised combination of the cement-like Wonderboard remains plus the
epoxy-type adhesive on the board would probably require many more
hours of scraping to remove. It seems easier to simply cut out the
half-board and replace it. (I hope the sub-floor isn't glued to the
supporting structure underneath.)

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...



On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:07 PM, erniecarpet@... wrote:

> Pete- unless your plywood is really damaged, a good floor patch
> will help
> you in your wood installation, without the need for total wood
> subfloor
> replacement.



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[erniecarpet@...]

In a message dated 7/12/2007 2:47:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jwasnewski@... writes:

It makes a lot of dust.



That's the worst part. It will take quite a while to clean up after all the
demo work. I get to work in a plastic 5th wheel with 17 slideouts. Stepped on
the first step and thought the thing was going to tip over- but- their money
is green

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt




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[mbulriss]

I'd personally get a grinder, belt sander or whatever it took to to
get it off rather than cut through the sub-floor. But it's your Bird...

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> One sub-floor board, directly in front of the galley, still has
> considerable quantities of the Wonderboard and epoxy bonded to it.
> Had it been a matter of merely filling a few depressions, the floor
> patch would be OK ... indeed, I plan to use a floor patch material on
> some gouges to a sub-floor board by the refrigerator. However, the
> raised combination of the cement-like Wonderboard remains plus the
> epoxy-type adhesive on the board would probably require many more
> hours of scraping to remove. It seems easier to simply cut out the
> half-board and replace it. (I hope the sub-floor isn't glued to the
> supporting structure underneath.)
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@...
>
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2007, at 7:07 PM, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> > Pete- unless your plywood is really damaged, a good floor patch
> > will help
> > you in your wood installation, without the need for total wood
> > subfloor
> > replacement.
>
>
>
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>

[Pete Masterson]

I guess the installer was a belt and suspenders type of guy. It was
screwed _and_ glued. No fun getting it up.
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Book Design and Production: A Guide for Authors and Publishers
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Aeonix Publishing Group http://www.aeonix.com
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On Jul 12, 2007, at 1:50 PM, erniecarpet@... wrote:

> We had to replace the plywood in Towanda- not a fun project. I'm
> surprised
> the wonderboard was glued. Mine was screwed.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston, Mt
>



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[Leroy Eckert]

TCA specs call for Wonderful Board or equivalent to be installed using latex
fortified thinset or better and screwed every 8 inches. Tape and mud the joints
before tile installation. It's good to know they followed the spec.
You can rent a chipping hammer with a 3" blade and remove it fairly quickly. It
makes a lot of dust.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Masterson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Removing ceramic tile from a Bird.


I guess the installer was a belt and suspenders type of guy. It was
screwed _and_ glued. No fun getting it up.
===============================================
Pete Masterson, Author of
Book Design and Production: A Guide for Authors and Publishers
Aeonix1@...
Aeonix Publishing Group http://www.aeonix.com
===============================================

On Jul 12, 2007, at 1:50 PM, erniecarpet@... wrote:

> We had to replace the plywood in Towanda- not a fun project. I'm
> surprised
> the wonderboard was glued. Mine was screwed.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston, Mt
>

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[Leroy Eckert]

Yea, ain't that the truth. We are lucky. Those 5ers are iffy at best.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: erniecarpet@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Removing ceramic tile from a Bird.



In a message dated 7/12/2007 2:47:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jwasnewski@... writes:

It makes a lot of dust.

That's the worst part. It will take quite a while to clean up after all the
demo work. I get to work in a plastic 5th wheel with 17 slideouts. Stepped on
the first step and thought the thing was going to tip over- but- their money
is green

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Mt

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