Water pump

[Ryan Wright]

Where can I buy a replacement water pump and/or pump rebuild kit? I
have the style of pump with the separate motor driving a pumping unit
via a belt. I found a bunch of RV water pumps online, but none that
match mine.

I'd search for a part number but there isn't one on my pump! Not even
a manufacturer label!

Also, anyone know what sort of gpm and water pressure these pumps put
out? I might like to upgrade to something a little more powerful if
possible.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92
Tri-Cities, WA

[Fred Hulse]

Ryan
Orr & Orr has kits for these Jabsco pump and also West Marine
Fred & Jeanne Hulse
Morristown Arizona
1997 Wanderlodge WLWB41

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[Leroy Eckert]

I have the same. I think it is a Jabsco. They are commonly used on boats. I got
a used one from a local boat yard for spare parts. They are pricey. Mine works
very well.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL
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From: Ryan Wright
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 3:27 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water pump


Where can I buy a replacement water pump and/or pump rebuild kit? I
have the style of pump with the separate motor driving a pumping unit
via a belt. I found a bunch of RV water pumps online, but none that
match mine.

I'd search for a part number but there isn't one on my pump! Not even
a manufacturer label!

Also, anyone know what sort of gpm and water pressure these pumps put
out? I might like to upgrade to something a little more powerful if
possible.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92
Tri-Cities, WA




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[Pete Masterson]

Sounds like you have a pump that's a bit out-of-date.

Several folks replaced their house water pump(s) with a ShurFlow
variable speed pump, with up to 5.9 gallons per minute delivery. It
pressurizes the system to about 65 psi. This pump goes right into the
water line and does not require an expansion tank. The pump kicks in
on demand and pumps at a rate to keep up with the water flow up (by
sensing the pressure) to it's maximum capacity. The only drawback is
that it may make some Microphor toilets not act right*. (In my coach,
the Microphor toilet has a maximum 50 psi water pressure requirement.
I plan to install a pressure limiter on the water line to the toilet
when I get around to it.)

* The Microphor will not flush properly when the water pressure is
above spec. The work around is to flip open the sink faucet and
"Instantaneously" hit the flush lever. The pump always delays for a
microsecond, so the pressure drops sufficiently for the toilet to
flush before the pressure goes back up.

The more usual pump system pressurizes to about 45 psi with a pump
and expansion tank. When you open a faucet, the initial pressure is
provided by the expansion tank and once it starts to drop, the pump
cycles on to return the pressure to 45 psi. These pumps are usually
limited to 3 or 4 gpm. Originally, my coach had two pumps, plumbed in
parallel. You could run one, the other, or both. Pressure was still
set for 45 psi so it didn't actually make much difference -- we
rarely had demand that exceeded the gpm rating of one pump.

Aside from the Microphor toilet thing, the variable speed pumps only
other downside is that it pumps out the water faster than the old
pump -- so if you're spending a lot of time boondocking, you may not
want it. Showers, however, are _much_ more satisfying with the
variable speed pump.

I searched the Internet for the ShurFlo pump ... It's been discussed
on this list (or the other WL list), so check the archives.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...



On Aug 26, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Ryan Wright wrote:

> Where can I buy a replacement water pump and/or pump rebuild kit? I
> have the style of pump with the separate motor driving a pumping unit
> via a belt. I found a bunch of RV water pumps online, but none that
> match mine.
>
> I'd search for a part number but there isn't one on my pump! Not even
> a manufacturer label!
>
> Also, anyone know what sort of gpm and water pressure these pumps put
> out? I might like to upgrade to something a little more powerful if
> possible.



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[freewill2008]

ShurFlow pumps have treated us well for many years, but their quality
seems to have gone down the drain (sorry .

In our Bird, we replaced the Jabsco with a 4.0 gallon Smart Sensor
(no accumulator tank) ShurFlow last year. It lasted less time than
it took to install the pump and remove the accumulator tank.
Shurflow replaced it with a 5.7.

The 5.7 quit first time out while my wife was in the shower.
ShurFlow doesn't know why it quit, but give them credit for no longer
claiming the Smart Sensor pumps are trouble free.

We were out of patience with Smart Sensor so ShurFlow sent along a
Pro Blaster 5+ GPM Extreme Series model - same pump at the 5.7 but
without Smart Sensor. This meant re-installing an accumulator tank
so I shoe-horned the big stainless ShurFlow tank under the sink.

We like this system better because the pump doesn't start every time
we take a few ounces of water from the faucet. Trouble is, the Pro
Blaster 5+ pump has a problem with the check valve at the inlet (the
one that keeps water from draining back into the fresh water supply
tank) so this one will apparently need to go back to ShurFlow also.

Customer Service at ShurFlow has been great, but unless you really
like working on your water system over and over, I'd hafta say that
another brand would be worth considering.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> Sounds like you have a pump that's a bit out-of-date.
>
> Several folks replaced their house water pump(s) with a ShurFlow
> variable speed pump, with up to 5.9 gallons per minute delivery.
It
> pressurizes the system to about 65 psi. This pump goes right into
the
> water line and does not require an expansion tank. The pump kicks
in
> on demand and pumps at a rate to keep up with the water flow up
(by
> sensing the pressure) to it's maximum capacity. The only drawback
is
> that it may make some Microphor toilets not act right*. (In my
coach,
> the Microphor toilet has a maximum 50 psi water pressure
requirement.
> I plan to install a pressure limiter on the water line to the
toilet
> when I get around to it.)
>
> * The Microphor will not flush properly when the water pressure is
> above spec. The work around is to flip open the sink faucet and
> "Instantaneously" hit the flush lever. The pump always delays for
a
> microsecond, so the pressure drops sufficiently for the toilet to
> flush before the pressure goes back up.
>
> The more usual pump system pressurizes to about 45 psi with a pump
> and expansion tank. When you open a faucet, the initial pressure
is
> provided by the expansion tank and once it starts to drop, the
pump
> cycles on to return the pressure to 45 psi. These pumps are
usually
> limited to 3 or 4 gpm. Originally, my coach had two pumps, plumbed
in
> parallel. You could run one, the other, or both. Pressure was
still
> set for 45 psi so it didn't actually make much difference -- we
> rarely had demand that exceeded the gpm rating of one pump.
>
> Aside from the Microphor toilet thing, the variable speed pumps
only
> other downside is that it pumps out the water faster than the old
> pump -- so if you're spending a lot of time boondocking, you may
not
> want it. Showers, however, are _much_ more satisfying with the
> variable speed pump.
>
> I searched the Internet for the ShurFlo pump ... It's been
discussed
> on this list (or the other WL list), so check the archives.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@...
>
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Ryan Wright wrote:
>
> > Where can I buy a replacement water pump and/or pump rebuild kit?
I
> > have the style of pump with the separate motor driving a pumping
unit
> > via a belt. I found a bunch of RV water pumps online, but none
that
> > match mine.
> >
> > I'd search for a part number but there isn't one on my pump! Not
even
> > a manufacturer label!
> >
> > Also, anyone know what sort of gpm and water pressure these pumps
put
> > out? I might like to upgrade to something a little more powerful
if
> > possible.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Pete Masterson]

FWIW, I installed the variable speed ShurFlow last fall... and used
it during a couple of short trips of a week to 10 days last winter
and then a 3+ month 'voyage' between the end of March to the end of
June. Conditions have ranged from freezing and snow to hot-humid
Texas. It's operated with no problems since I installed it. (It
replaced dual ShurFlow fixed speed pumps that were both leaking (in
need of a rebuild) I figured that I may as well just replace them and
simplify the plumbing at the same time.)

I'm not denying your problems, nor denying that the ShurFlow quality
may have degraded. However, with whatever luck may be involved, I
haven't shared your experience. (Count me as breathing a sigh of
relief -- so far...)

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...



On Aug 26, 2007, at 4:32 PM, freewill2008 wrote:

> ShurFlow pumps have treated us well for many years, but their quality
> seems to have gone down the drain (sorry .
>
> In our Bird, we replaced the Jabsco with a 4.0 gallon Smart Sensor
> (no accumulator tank) ShurFlow last year. It lasted less time than
> it took to install the pump and remove the accumulator tank.
> Shurflow replaced it with a 5.7.
>
> The 5.7 quit first time out while my wife was in the shower.
> ShurFlow doesn't know why it quit, but give them credit for no longer
> claiming the Smart Sensor pumps are trouble free.
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[martingregg598]

Hi Ryan, your pump sounds like what is now Jabsco. My old pump that was
built in that configuration was a PAR. If you go to Jabsco.com and
select the water pressure systems and then the switched pumps you will
find them, also there is a dealer in Seattle that has parts, I think
they are Fisher something.
Marty Gregg
95 BMC 37'
Kennewick WA

[what1not]

Hi,

I just rebuilt my pump which was a Jabsco 36950-2000. You can get
the rebuilt kit from Go2Marine on the web. The rebuild was easy and
the pump was eash to get to, although I have twin beds in my 87
PT40. It cost around $65 plus shipping, which was around $11.

Hope this helps!

Jo and Bill
'87 PT40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Wright"
wrote:
>
> Where can I buy a replacement water pump and/or pump rebuild kit? I
> have the style of pump with the separate motor driving a pumping
unit
> via a belt. I found a bunch of RV water pumps online, but none that
> match mine.
>
> I'd search for a part number but there isn't one on my pump! Not
even
> a manufacturer label!
>
> Also, anyone know what sort of gpm and water pressure these pumps
put
> out? I might like to upgrade to something a little more powerful if
> possible.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92
> Tri-Cities, WA
>

[Gary Miller]

Ryan,

Call BlueBird. I replaced the pump base on mine for somewhere around
20 bucks a few years ago. Bought it at the RIV. Works great.

Gary Miller
83 FC 33 - For Sale
Milwaukee area

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ryan Wright"
wrote:
>
> Where can I buy a replacement water pump and/or pump rebuild kit? I
> have the style of pump with the separate motor driving a pumping
unit
> via a belt. I found a bunch of RV water pumps online, but none that
> match mine.
>
> I'd search for a part number but there isn't one on my pump! Not
even
> a manufacturer label!
>
> Also, anyone know what sort of gpm and water pressure these pumps
put
> out? I might like to upgrade to something a little more powerful if
> possible.
>
> -Ryan
> '86 PT-40 8V92
> Tri-Cities, WA
>

[Ryan Wright]

Hi folks,

Huge thanks to all for the replies on the water pump. I'm going to
follow the rebuild leads and see if I can't save some money that way,
for now. However, I'm also going to give serious consideration to
upgrading to a Shurflow unit, and will definitely upgrade if the
rebuild cost approaches half the cost of a new Shurflow. Moving up to
65psi of water pressure would be nice. I intend to retain my pressure
tanks even if I do upgrade, though - I appreciate not having the pump
run for basic toilet flushes, etc.

As usual, your advice is greatly appreciated!

-Ryan