ULSD Fuel additives

[Stephen H]

Awhile back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel-- and our
Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said they would
just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has anyone
had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about fuel
lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do I need
to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
Stephen H
Plant City, FL

[Leroy Eckert]

I have been running it for at least 15,000 miles without additives and no problems.. knock on wood. I have changed the filters once in that time.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 Royale
Dahlonega, GA
Smoke N Mirrors

Stephen H <share74@...> wrote:

Awhile back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel-- and our
Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said they would
just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has anyone
had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about fuel

lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do I need
to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
Stephen H
Plant City, FL

[bubblerboy64]

In this same vain. I have had my FC for one year now. I've put 6000
miles on the oil and filters. I've got some drips of oil and I likely
burn some as well. In that one year and 6000 miles I would guess I've
added at least 5 qts of oil (maybe more) . Typically I would change
oil and filters at this time but the ole girl holds 21 quarts. I do
next to no short runs and the oil as visible on the dip stick looks
clean (for a diesel) I am thinking of waiting until winter and
changing oil before I put her away. I might run her another 3000
miles to that point. I would not want to give her anything but the
best but it seems in this situation a waste to me. My heart is not
set on this so if you fellows with experience think I should go ahead
and change oil at this time I would certainly do so. It just seems
like a bit of over kill considering all the "new" oil added and the
use for which this bus is put. I know this is asking for opinions. I
just don't want to be wasteful. Or should I have the oil sampled? If
so how do you get a sample? I can see crawling under there and trying
to get a couple ounces and getting the hole 21 quarts on the drive.
Or will the truck service centers do this for me?
John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC

John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC
>
> I have been running it for at least 15,000 miles without additives
and no problems.. knock on wood. I have changed the filters once in
that time.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Royale
> Dahlonega, GA
> Smoke N Mirrors
>
> Stephen H <share74@...> wrote: Awhile
back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel-- and our
> Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said they
would
> just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has
anyone
> had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about
fuel
> lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do I
need
> to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
> Stephen H
> Plant City, FL
>

[Scott Forman]

I change my oil once a year regardless of my mileage...I never drive
enough in a year to call for an oil change. This is what has been
advised by my mechanic.

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
> In this same vain. I have had my FC for one year now. I've put
6000
> miles on the oil and filters. I've got some drips of oil and I
likely
> burn some as well. In that one year and 6000 miles I would guess
I've
> added at least 5 qts of oil (maybe more) . Typically I would
change
> oil and filters at this time but the ole girl holds 21 quarts. I
do
> next to no short runs and the oil as visible on the dip stick looks
> clean (for a diesel) I am thinking of waiting until winter and
> changing oil before I put her away. I might run her another 3000
> miles to that point. I would not want to give her anything but the
> best but it seems in this situation a waste to me. My heart is not
> set on this so if you fellows with experience think I should go
ahead
> and change oil at this time I would certainly do so. It just seems
> like a bit of over kill considering all the "new" oil added and the
> use for which this bus is put. I know this is asking for opinions.
I
> just don't want to be wasteful. Or should I have the oil sampled?
If
> so how do you get a sample? I can see crawling under there and
trying
> to get a couple ounces and getting the hole 21 quarts on the drive.
> Or will the truck service centers do this for me?
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
>
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
> >
> > I have been running it for at least 15,000 miles without
additives
> and no problems.. knock on wood. I have changed the filters once in
> that time.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40 Royale
> > Dahlonega, GA
> > Smoke N Mirrors
> >
> > Stephen H <share74@> wrote: Awhile
> back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel-- and our
> > Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said
they
> would
> > just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has
> anyone
> > had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about
> fuel
> > lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do I
> need
> > to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
> > Stephen H
> > Plant City, FL
> >
>

[ronmarabito2002]

Suggest you use a good additive. I wasn't using and had high numbers
in oil analysis, showing wear. Started additive and all is back to
normal.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H" <share74@...> wrote:
>
> Awhile back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel-- and our
> Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said they would
> just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has anyone
> had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about fuel
> lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do I need
> to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
> Stephen H
> Plant City, FL
>

[ronmarabito2002]

Just because it is running fine does not mean there is no problem. I
suggest anyone get regular oil analysis. Tells you lots about the
engine condition and establishes trends in wear.

I changed to additive when my oil analysis showed an increase in wear.
Has gone back to normal after using the additive.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
> In this same vain. I have had my FC for one year now. I've put 6000
> miles on the oil and filters. I've got some drips of oil and I likely
> burn some as well. In that one year and 6000 miles I would guess I've
> added at least 5 qts of oil (maybe more) . Typically I would change
> oil and filters at this time but the ole girl holds 21 quarts. I do
> next to no short runs and the oil as visible on the dip stick looks
> clean (for a diesel) I am thinking of waiting until winter and
> changing oil before I put her away. I might run her another 3000
> miles to that point. I would not want to give her anything but the
> best but it seems in this situation a waste to me. My heart is not
> set on this so if you fellows with experience think I should go ahead
> and change oil at this time I would certainly do so. It just seems
> like a bit of over kill considering all the "new" oil added and the
> use for which this bus is put. I know this is asking for opinions. I
> just don't want to be wasteful. Or should I have the oil sampled? If
> so how do you get a sample? I can see crawling under there and trying
> to get a couple ounces and getting the hole 21 quarts on the drive.
> Or will the truck service centers do this for me?
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
>
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
> >
> > I have been running it for at least 15,000 miles without additives
> and no problems.. knock on wood. I have changed the filters once in
> that time.
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40 Royale
> > Dahlonega, GA
> > Smoke N Mirrors
> >
> > Stephen H <share74@> wrote: Awhile
> back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel-- and our
> > Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said they
> would
> > just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has
> anyone
> > had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about
> fuel
> > lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do I
> need
> > to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
> > Stephen H
> > Plant City, FL
> >
>

[Pete Masterson]

Try to get some info about the recommended service interval for your engine. Diesels do not need oil changes as frequently as do gasoline engine vehicles. 

The manual that I have with my DD Series 60 suggests oil changes at 1 year or 15,000 miles. (With a filter change, it takes 40 quarts!) The DD Series 60 manual also suggests that using 1 qt per 1000 miles is "normal." (I actually do quite a bit better than that.)

Since you have a Cat 3208, I'm sure the manufacturer recommendations may be different, but 6000 to 9000 miles on the oil is probably not unreasonable. I'd change the oil at least once each year, no matter what the mileage. It might be best to plan the oil change just before putting the coach "away" for the winter.

Oil test samples are usually obtained at the time you change the oil. It's hard to make any specific determination about an engine based on an isolated (one-time) oil analysis. Generally, you need to make repeated analysis from the _same_ laboratory so you can see trends in the chemical composition. Of course, if you're about to have a catastrophic failure, and oil analysis might warn you ... but then a few more miles and such a failure will become self evident anyway. (If I sound less than enthusiastic about oil analysis, well, it's because, I'm just not sure what use it really is.)

I will observe (in my days working for a railroad) that the diesel locomotives had their oil tested regularly with a liquid chromatography system. The analysis was used to determine what additives to add to that particular locomotive's engine. Oil was almost _never_ changed -- only chemically treated to bring it back into spec. Of course, the locomotives generally had 200 _gallons_ of oil in them, so oil changes would have been incredibly expensive -- it was cheaper to modify the oil with chemical additives. But that's not the case with _only_ 21 quarts -- or even the 40 quarts I have to deal with.

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Jun 10, 2008, at 12:44 PM, bubblerboy64 wrote:

In this same vain.  I have had my FC for one year now.  I've put 6000 

miles on the oil and filters. I've got some drips of oil and I likely 

burn some as well. In that one year and 6000 miles I would guess I've 

added at least 5 qts of oil (maybe more) .   Typically I would change 

oil and filters at this time but the ole girl holds 21 quarts.  I do 

next to no short runs and the oil as visible on the dip stick looks 

clean (for a diesel) I am thinking of waiting until winter and 

changing oil before I put her away.  I might run her another 3000 

miles to that point.  I would not want to give her anything but the 

best but it seems in this situation a waste to me. My heart is not 

set on this so if you fellows with experience think I should go ahead 

and change oil at this time I would certainly do so.  It just seems 

like a bit of over kill considering all the "new" oil added and the 

use for which this bus is put.  I know this is asking for opinions. I 

just don't want to be wasteful. Or should I have the oil sampled?  If 

so how do you get a sample? I can see crawling under there and trying 

to get a couple ounces and getting the hole 21 quarts on the drive. 

Or will the truck service centers do this for me? 

John Heckman

central Pa

1973 FC 

[Stephen Hare]

What additive is used to replace the "old" Diesel Fuel? Something at a truckstop?

I have used Marvel Mystery Oil in Fuel and Crankcase for years, is this something to use?

I just happen to have a gallon out in the shed, would be nice to use it!!!

In the automotive business, we would use Lucas Oil Stabilizer.. Good for Diesel engines too!!

Stephen

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:45 PM, ronmarabito2002 <"remarabito@att.net"> wrote:

Suggest you use a good additive. I wasn't using and had high numbers
in oil analysis, showing wear. Started additive and all is back to
normal.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Stephen H" <share74@...> wrote:
>
> Awhile back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel-- and our

> Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said they would
> just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has anyone
> had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about fuel

> lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do I need
> to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
> Stephen H
> Plant City, FL
>

[Scott Forman]

Marvel Mystery is what was recommended to me for the 8v92, 1qt in the
tank per 100 gal of fuel. I use it every time I get gas.

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Hare" <share74@...>
wrote:
>
> What additive is used to replace the "old" Diesel Fuel? Something
at a
> truckstop?
>
> I have used Marvel Mystery Oil in Fuel and Crankcase for years, is
this
> something to use?
> I just happen to have a gallon out in the shed, would be nice to
use it!!!
> In the automotive business, we would use Lucas Oil Stabilizer..
Good for
> Diesel engines too!!
>
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:45 PM, ronmarabito2002
wrote:
>
> > Suggest you use a good additive. I wasn't using and had high
numbers
> > in oil analysis, showing wear. Started additive and all is back to
> > normal.
> >
> > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Stephen H" <share74@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Awhile back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel--
and our
> > > Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said
they would
> > > just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has
anyone
> > > had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about
fuel
> > > lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do
I need
> > > to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
> > > Stephen H
> > > Plant City, FL
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

[brad barton]

I've used Power Service Diesel Kleen available at WalMart and Howe's available at any truckstop. I know the manufacturers and fuel companies say there's no need to cleaning or lubricating agents, but I always have anyway.

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: share74@...
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:39:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: ULSD Fuel additives

What additive is used to replace the "old" Diesel Fuel? Something at a truckstop?

I have used Marvel Mystery Oil in Fuel and Crankcase for years, is this something to use?

I just happen to have a gallon out in the shed, would be nice to use it!!!

In the automotive business, we would use Lucas Oil Stabilizer.. Good for Diesel engines too!!

Stephen

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:45 PM, ronmarabito2002 <"remarabito@att.net"> wrote:

Suggest you use a good additive. I wasn't using and had high numbers
in oil analysis, showing wear. Started additive and all is back to
normal.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, tX 92WB40

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Stephen H" <share74@...> wrote:
>
> Awhile back there was a lot of talk about the new ULSD fuel-- and our
> Bird's. Some were in favor of using additives, and some said they would
> just it plain and see what happens. Now time has passed. Has anyone
> had any problems with the 'new' fuel? There were concerns about fuel
> lines, seals, leaks, ect..Are we ok? When I do get a 'Bird, do I need
> to just go fill up, or put something in prior?
> Stephen H
> Plant City, FL
>

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