electrical problems

[Kurt Horvath]

John,

Your so right, "The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you can
fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say it can
get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between."

Speaking of road risk here's a vivid reminder of what can happen.

Bus Crash Tes.tEver wonder what a bus crash looks like, check this
out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-Qzbfxo

Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42
10AC



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
wrote:
>
> The 30 amp cord is pretty much a standard 110 with a funny plug on
it
> then? I knew that 220 was essentially two 110 hot wires but did
not
> know that the 50 was similar. Having been in a RV store not long
ago
> I noticed they had a featured item up near the check out a 50 amp
> plug with a distinct pull handle on it. I think they also had 30amp
> plugs similar. Didn't impress me at the time nearly as much as it
> does now. I don't have 50 amps into my coach but I learned
> something. I also did not realize the risk involved in the battery
> campartments. I was informed last year at the Maxton rally about
> that. I guess the low voltage stuff can be rather nasty as well.
> Perhaps some one will review and explain what the risk with the low
> voltage. Does make a rather nasty spark if you short the positive
> against the metal I know that. All kinds of ways a fellow can get
> hurt. I was up on the roof of my bird this morning and I was VERY
> careful. I remember seeing Don's X rays. I don't much like it up
> there but once a year I go up to check it over and see that all is
> well. Lets see. The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you can
> fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say it
can
> get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between.
>
> John Heckman
> central Pa
> 1973 FC
>
>
>
> >
> > I may not have been clear: It was the coach end of the shore
cord,
> not the connector that is part of the coach. The pole end is a
molded
> connector, but the coach end is not; don't know if that is original?
> >
> > There is a plastic ring cinched down to the cord, just behind the
> connector. I never gave it much thought, but now I wonder why that
is
> there. It lends itself to be the point that is grabbed to pull the
> connector out, but that puts strain on the wires in the connector.
> Clearly I should grab the connector body to pull it out, not the
> wires.
> >
> > On 8/28/2008 at 8:31 PM Curt Sprenger wrote:
> >
> > >Don,
> > >
> > >Great Post...Everyone...All of us with our older coaches need to
> do what
> > >Don
> > >just did, check our coach connectors. I'll add that we should
also
> check
> > >our
> > >shore cord coach ends.
> > >
> > >.On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Don Bradner
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> I've experienced two serious electrical problems on our
> current trip.
> > >> I'm hoping the second problem (solved) was the cause of the
> first, but I
> > >> can't get my head around exactly how it would be, so I'm
hoping
> someone
> > >with
> > >> more RV electrical experience than I have will have a clue. I
> will rest
> > >> easier if I know what caused the first problem.
> > >>
> > >> The first problem I talked about here earlier, but will run
> through for
> > >> clarity:
> > >>
> > >> With a lot of draw going on, I had the 50-amp breaker on the
> park pole
> > >> blow, plus the main inside breakers, plus the breaker for the
> inverter.
> > >> Power was lost on the inverter circuit, and did not return
when
> breakers
> > >> were turned back on with reduced draw. The inverter, a ProSine
> 2.0, is
> > >toast
> > >> - burnt components obvious when opening the case. I removed
the
> inverter
> > >and
> > >> wired input/output together for power on the inverted circuit
> when on
> > >park
> > >> power, and bought a small charger to keep the batteries up
while
> parked.
> > >>
> > >> Xantrex sent out a new ProSine 2.0 (half-price, well out-of-
> warranty)
> > >and I
> > >> will get it tomorrow. I've been worrying about hooking it up
> without
> > >knowing
> > >> what caused the failure.
> > >>
> > >> Problem number 2: Yesterday I moved, and on arrival at a park
in
> Ogallala
> > >> the 50-amp park breaker blew as soon as turned on. After
turning
> off the
> > >> internal main breakers I was able to get the park breaker to
> hold after
> > >one
> > >> more failure. The breaker was "spongy" so I wasn't sure if it
> was just
> > >weak.
> > >> Turning on the main breakers inside worked fine.
> > >>
> > >> Moved again today, and the problem repeated except that
nothing
> would
> > >make
> > >> it work. In trying various things I found that my 30/50 cord
> worked fine.
> > >>
> > >> So, I took the coach connector apart and found:
> > >>
> > >> Screw for black wire fell out, and was quite black on the end.
> White and
> > >> Red attached, but screw not tight. Green was not attached at
> all - screw
> > >all
> > >> the way in, and wire laid across the top. Contacting case, but
> who knows
> > >how
> > >> well.
> > >>
> > >> It is amazing I had power at all. I cut the end off and
rebuilt
> the
> > >> connector, and had no problem turning on the power.
> > >>
> > >> It would seem to be an odd coincidence if problem one was not
> caused by
> > >> problem two, but since the ProSine 2.0 should in theory work
> regardless
> > >of
> > >> what occurs on the input side I'm not sure what the connection
> is.
> > >Anybody
> > >> have thoughts on this?
> > >>
> > >> Don Bradner
> > >> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > >> Posting today by satellite from Grand Island, Nebraska
> > >> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Curt Sprenger
> > >1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > >Anaheim Hills, CA
> >
>

[mbulriss]

Kurt,

That link as posted does not work. YouTube says "the video you
requested is not available".

FWIW,

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX - not a real good weekend to go to the coast!


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> Your so right, "The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you can
> fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say it can
> get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between."
>
> Speaking of road risk here's a vivid reminder of what can happen.
>
> Bus Crash Tes.tEver wonder what a bus crash looks like, check this
> out.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-Qzbfxo
>
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT-42
> 10AC
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> wrote:
> >
> > The 30 amp cord is pretty much a standard 110 with a funny plug on
> it
> > then? I knew that 220 was essentially two 110 hot wires but did
> not
> > know that the 50 was similar. Having been in a RV store not long
> ago
> > I noticed they had a featured item up near the check out a 50 amp
> > plug with a distinct pull handle on it. I think they also had 30amp
> > plugs similar. Didn't impress me at the time nearly as much as it
> > does now. I don't have 50 amps into my coach but I learned
> > something. I also did not realize the risk involved in the battery
> > campartments. I was informed last year at the Maxton rally about
> > that. I guess the low voltage stuff can be rather nasty as well.
> > Perhaps some one will review and explain what the risk with the low
> > voltage. Does make a rather nasty spark if you short the positive
> > against the metal I know that. All kinds of ways a fellow can get
> > hurt. I was up on the roof of my bird this morning and I was VERY
> > careful. I remember seeing Don's X rays. I don't much like it up
> > there but once a year I go up to check it over and see that all is
> > well. Lets see. The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you can
> > fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say it
> can
> > get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between.
> >
> > John Heckman
> > central Pa
> > 1973 FC
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I may not have been clear: It was the coach end of the shore
> cord,
> > not the connector that is part of the coach. The pole end is a
> molded
> > connector, but the coach end is not; don't know if that is original?
> > >
> > > There is a plastic ring cinched down to the cord, just behind the
> > connector. I never gave it much thought, but now I wonder why that
> is
> > there. It lends itself to be the point that is grabbed to pull the
> > connector out, but that puts strain on the wires in the connector.
> > Clearly I should grab the connector body to pull it out, not the
> > wires.
> > >
> > > On 8/28/2008 at 8:31 PM Curt Sprenger wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don,
> > > >
> > > >Great Post...Everyone...All of us with our older coaches need to
> > do what
> > > >Don
> > > >just did, check our coach connectors. I'll add that we should
> also
> > check
> > > >our
> > > >shore cord coach ends.
> > > >
> > > >.On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Don Bradner
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I've experienced two serious electrical problems on our
> > current trip.
> > > >> I'm hoping the second problem (solved) was the cause of the
> > first, but I
> > > >> can't get my head around exactly how it would be, so I'm
> hoping
> > someone
> > > >with
> > > >> more RV electrical experience than I have will have a clue. I
> > will rest
> > > >> easier if I know what caused the first problem.
> > > >>
> > > >> The first problem I talked about here earlier, but will run
> > through for
> > > >> clarity:
> > > >>
> > > >> With a lot of draw going on, I had the 50-amp breaker on the
> > park pole
> > > >> blow, plus the main inside breakers, plus the breaker for the
> > inverter.
> > > >> Power was lost on the inverter circuit, and did not return
> when
> > breakers
> > > >> were turned back on with reduced draw. The inverter, a ProSine
> > 2.0, is
> > > >toast
> > > >> - burnt components obvious when opening the case. I removed
> the
> > inverter
> > > >and
> > > >> wired input/output together for power on the inverted circuit
> > when on
> > > >park
> > > >> power, and bought a small charger to keep the batteries up
> while
> > parked.
> > > >>
> > > >> Xantrex sent out a new ProSine 2.0 (half-price, well out-of-
> > warranty)
> > > >and I
> > > >> will get it tomorrow. I've been worrying about hooking it up
> > without
> > > >knowing
> > > >> what caused the failure.
> > > >>
> > > >> Problem number 2: Yesterday I moved, and on arrival at a park
> in
> > Ogallala
> > > >> the 50-amp park breaker blew as soon as turned on. After
> turning
> > off the
> > > >> internal main breakers I was able to get the park breaker to
> > hold after
> > > >one
> > > >> more failure. The breaker was "spongy" so I wasn't sure if it
> > was just
> > > >weak.
> > > >> Turning on the main breakers inside worked fine.
> > > >>
> > > >> Moved again today, and the problem repeated except that
> nothing
> > would
> > > >make
> > > >> it work. In trying various things I found that my 30/50 cord
> > worked fine.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, I took the coach connector apart and found:
> > > >>
> > > >> Screw for black wire fell out, and was quite black on the end.
> > White and
> > > >> Red attached, but screw not tight. Green was not attached at
> > all - screw
> > > >all
> > > >> the way in, and wire laid across the top. Contacting case, but
> > who knows
> > > >how
> > > >> well.
> > > >>
> > > >> It is amazing I had power at all. I cut the end off and
> rebuilt
> > the
> > > >> connector, and had no problem turning on the power.
> > > >>
> > > >> It would seem to be an odd coincidence if problem one was not
> > caused by
> > > >> problem two, but since the ProSine 2.0 should in theory work
> > regardless
> > > >of
> > > >> what occurs on the input side I'm not sure what the connection
> > is.
> > > >Anybody
> > > >> have thoughts on this?
> > > >>
> > > >> Don Bradner
> > > >> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > > >> Posting today by satellite from Grand Island, Nebraska
> > > >> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > >1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > > >Anaheim Hills, CA
> > >
> >
>

[Kurt Horvath]

I see that Mike, here's the address again , You might havr to copy
and paste in address bar???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-QZbfxo
Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42
10Ac

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> That link as posted does not work. YouTube says "the video you
> requested is not available".
>
> FWIW,
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX - not a real good weekend to go to the coast!
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Your so right, "The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you can
> > fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say it
can
> > get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between."
> >
> > Speaking of road risk here's a vivid reminder of what can happen.
> >
> > Bus Crash Tes.tEver wonder what a bus crash looks like, check
this
> > out.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-Qzbfxo
> >
> > Kurt Horvath
> > 95 PT-42
> > 10AC
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The 30 amp cord is pretty much a standard 110 with a funny plug
on
> > it
> > > then? I knew that 220 was essentially two 110 hot wires but
did
> > not
> > > know that the 50 was similar. Having been in a RV store not
long
> > ago
> > > I noticed they had a featured item up near the check out a 50
amp
> > > plug with a distinct pull handle on it. I think they also had
30amp
> > > plugs similar. Didn't impress me at the time nearly as much as
it
> > > does now. I don't have 50 amps into my coach but I learned
> > > something. I also did not realize the risk involved in the
battery
> > > campartments. I was informed last year at the Maxton rally
about
> > > that. I guess the low voltage stuff can be rather nasty as
well.
> > > Perhaps some one will review and explain what the risk with the
low
> > > voltage. Does make a rather nasty spark if you short the
positive
> > > against the metal I know that. All kinds of ways a fellow can
get
> > > hurt. I was up on the roof of my bird this morning and I was
VERY
> > > careful. I remember seeing Don's X rays. I don't much like it
up
> > > there but once a year I go up to check it over and see that all
is
> > > well. Lets see. The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you
can
> > > fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say
it
> > can
> > > get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between.
> > >
> > > John Heckman
> > > central Pa
> > > 1973 FC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I may not have been clear: It was the coach end of the shore
> > cord,
> > > not the connector that is part of the coach. The pole end is a
> > molded
> > > connector, but the coach end is not; don't know if that is
original?
> > > >
> > > > There is a plastic ring cinched down to the cord, just behind
the
> > > connector. I never gave it much thought, but now I wonder why
that
> > is
> > > there. It lends itself to be the point that is grabbed to pull
the
> > > connector out, but that puts strain on the wires in the
connector.
> > > Clearly I should grab the connector body to pull it out, not
the
> > > wires.
> > > >
> > > > On 8/28/2008 at 8:31 PM Curt Sprenger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Don,
> > > > >
> > > > >Great Post...Everyone...All of us with our older coaches
need to
> > > do what
> > > > >Don
> > > > >just did, check our coach connectors. I'll add that we
should
> > also
> > > check
> > > > >our
> > > > >shore cord coach ends.
> > > > >
> > > > >.On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Don Bradner
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I've experienced two serious electrical problems on our
> > > current trip.
> > > > >> I'm hoping the second problem (solved) was the cause of
the
> > > first, but I
> > > > >> can't get my head around exactly how it would be, so I'm
> > hoping
> > > someone
> > > > >with
> > > > >> more RV electrical experience than I have will have a
clue. I
> > > will rest
> > > > >> easier if I know what caused the first problem.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The first problem I talked about here earlier, but will
run
> > > through for
> > > > >> clarity:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> With a lot of draw going on, I had the 50-amp breaker on
the
> > > park pole
> > > > >> blow, plus the main inside breakers, plus the breaker for
the
> > > inverter.
> > > > >> Power was lost on the inverter circuit, and did not return
> > when
> > > breakers
> > > > >> were turned back on with reduced draw. The inverter, a
ProSine
> > > 2.0, is
> > > > >toast
> > > > >> - burnt components obvious when opening the case. I
removed
> > the
> > > inverter
> > > > >and
> > > > >> wired input/output together for power on the inverted
circuit
> > > when on
> > > > >park
> > > > >> power, and bought a small charger to keep the batteries up
> > while
> > > parked.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Xantrex sent out a new ProSine 2.0 (half-price, well out-
of-
> > > warranty)
> > > > >and I
> > > > >> will get it tomorrow. I've been worrying about hooking it
up
> > > without
> > > > >knowing
> > > > >> what caused the failure.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Problem number 2: Yesterday I moved, and on arrival at a
park
> > in
> > > Ogallala
> > > > >> the 50-amp park breaker blew as soon as turned on. After
> > turning
> > > off the
> > > > >> internal main breakers I was able to get the park breaker
to
> > > hold after
> > > > >one
> > > > >> more failure. The breaker was "spongy" so I wasn't sure if
it
> > > was just
> > > > >weak.
> > > > >> Turning on the main breakers inside worked fine.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Moved again today, and the problem repeated except that
> > nothing
> > > would
> > > > >make
> > > > >> it work. In trying various things I found that my 30/50
cord
> > > worked fine.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So, I took the coach connector apart and found:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Screw for black wire fell out, and was quite black on the
end.
> > > White and
> > > > >> Red attached, but screw not tight. Green was not attached
at
> > > all - screw
> > > > >all
> > > > >> the way in, and wire laid across the top. Contacting case,
but
> > > who knows
> > > > >how
> > > > >> well.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It is amazing I had power at all. I cut the end off and
> > rebuilt
> > > the
> > > > >> connector, and had no problem turning on the power.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It would seem to be an odd coincidence if problem one was
not
> > > caused by
> > > > >> problem two, but since the ProSine 2.0 should in theory
work
> > > regardless
> > > > >of
> > > > >> what occurs on the input side I'm not sure what the
connection
> > > is.
> > > > >Anybody
> > > > >> have thoughts on this?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Don Bradner
> > > > >> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > > > >> Posting today by satellite from Grand Island, Nebraska
> > > > >> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > >1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > > > >Anaheim Hills, CA
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Kurt Horvath]

Mike,
It worked this time.
Notice the millisecond timer in the top left corner on the interior
portion of the video, S--T happens fast. The second you don't respect
one of these machines is when they let you know who's boss.
Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42
10Ac

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
wrote:
>
> I see that Mike, here's the address again , You might havr to copy
> and paste in address bar???
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-QZbfxo
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT-42
> 10Ac
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > That link as posted does not work. YouTube says "the video you
> > requested is not available".
> >
> > FWIW,
> >
> > Mike Bulriss
> > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > San Antonio, TX - not a real good weekend to go to the coast!
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > Your so right, "The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you
can
> > > fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say
it
> can
> > > get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between."
> > >
> > > Speaking of road risk here's a vivid reminder of what can
happen.
> > >
> > > Bus Crash Tes.tEver wonder what a bus crash looks like, check
> this
> > > out.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-Qzbfxo
> > >
> > > Kurt Horvath
> > > 95 PT-42
> > > 10AC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The 30 amp cord is pretty much a standard 110 with a funny
plug
> on
> > > it
> > > > then? I knew that 220 was essentially two 110 hot wires but
> did
> > > not
> > > > know that the 50 was similar. Having been in a RV store not
> long
> > > ago
> > > > I noticed they had a featured item up near the check out a 50
> amp
> > > > plug with a distinct pull handle on it. I think they also had
> 30amp
> > > > plugs similar. Didn't impress me at the time nearly as much
as
> it
> > > > does now. I don't have 50 amps into my coach but I learned
> > > > something. I also did not realize the risk involved in the
> battery
> > > > campartments. I was informed last year at the Maxton rally
> about
> > > > that. I guess the low voltage stuff can be rather nasty as
> well.
> > > > Perhaps some one will review and explain what the risk with
the
> low
> > > > voltage. Does make a rather nasty spark if you short the
> positive
> > > > against the metal I know that. All kinds of ways a fellow
can
> get
> > > > hurt. I was up on the roof of my bird this morning and I was
> VERY
> > > > careful. I remember seeing Don's X rays. I don't much like
it
> up
> > > > there but once a year I go up to check it over and see that
all
> is
> > > > well. Lets see. The thing can crush you, electrocute you,
you
> can
> > > > fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can
say
> it
> > > can
> > > > get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in
between.
> > > >
> > > > John Heckman
> > > > central Pa
> > > > 1973 FC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I may not have been clear: It was the coach end of the
shore
> > > cord,
> > > > not the connector that is part of the coach. The pole end is
a
> > > molded
> > > > connector, but the coach end is not; don't know if that is
> original?
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a plastic ring cinched down to the cord, just
behind
> the
> > > > connector. I never gave it much thought, but now I wonder why
> that
> > > is
> > > > there. It lends itself to be the point that is grabbed to
pull
> the
> > > > connector out, but that puts strain on the wires in the
> connector.
> > > > Clearly I should grab the connector body to pull it out, not
> the
> > > > wires.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/28/2008 at 8:31 PM Curt Sprenger wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Don,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Great Post...Everyone...All of us with our older coaches
> need to
> > > > do what
> > > > > >Don
> > > > > >just did, check our coach connectors. I'll add that we
> should
> > > also
> > > > check
> > > > > >our
> > > > > >shore cord coach ends.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >.On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Don Bradner
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I've experienced two serious electrical problems on
our
> > > > current trip.
> > > > > >> I'm hoping the second problem (solved) was the cause of
> the
> > > > first, but I
> > > > > >> can't get my head around exactly how it would be, so I'm
> > > hoping
> > > > someone
> > > > > >with
> > > > > >> more RV electrical experience than I have will have a
> clue. I
> > > > will rest
> > > > > >> easier if I know what caused the first problem.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The first problem I talked about here earlier, but will
> run
> > > > through for
> > > > > >> clarity:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> With a lot of draw going on, I had the 50-amp breaker on
> the
> > > > park pole
> > > > > >> blow, plus the main inside breakers, plus the breaker
for
> the
> > > > inverter.
> > > > > >> Power was lost on the inverter circuit, and did not
return
> > > when
> > > > breakers
> > > > > >> were turned back on with reduced draw. The inverter, a
> ProSine
> > > > 2.0, is
> > > > > >toast
> > > > > >> - burnt components obvious when opening the case. I
> removed
> > > the
> > > > inverter
> > > > > >and
> > > > > >> wired input/output together for power on the inverted
> circuit
> > > > when on
> > > > > >park
> > > > > >> power, and bought a small charger to keep the batteries
up
> > > while
> > > > parked.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Xantrex sent out a new ProSine 2.0 (half-price, well out-
> of-
> > > > warranty)
> > > > > >and I
> > > > > >> will get it tomorrow. I've been worrying about hooking
it
> up
> > > > without
> > > > > >knowing
> > > > > >> what caused the failure.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Problem number 2: Yesterday I moved, and on arrival at a
> park
> > > in
> > > > Ogallala
> > > > > >> the 50-amp park breaker blew as soon as turned on. After
> > > turning
> > > > off the
> > > > > >> internal main breakers I was able to get the park
breaker
> to
> > > > hold after
> > > > > >one
> > > > > >> more failure. The breaker was "spongy" so I wasn't sure
if
> it
> > > > was just
> > > > > >weak.
> > > > > >> Turning on the main breakers inside worked fine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Moved again today, and the problem repeated except that
> > > nothing
> > > > would
> > > > > >make
> > > > > >> it work. In trying various things I found that my 30/50
> cord
> > > > worked fine.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So, I took the coach connector apart and found:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Screw for black wire fell out, and was quite black on
the
> end.
> > > > White and
> > > > > >> Red attached, but screw not tight. Green was not
attached
> at
> > > > all - screw
> > > > > >all
> > > > > >> the way in, and wire laid across the top. Contacting
case,
> but
> > > > who knows
> > > > > >how
> > > > > >> well.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It is amazing I had power at all. I cut the end off and
> > > rebuilt
> > > > the
> > > > > >> connector, and had no problem turning on the power.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It would seem to be an odd coincidence if problem one
was
> not
> > > > caused by
> > > > > >> problem two, but since the ProSine 2.0 should in theory
> work
> > > > regardless
> > > > > >of
> > > > > >> what occurs on the input side I'm not sure what the
> connection
> > > > is.
> > > > > >Anybody
> > > > > >> have thoughts on this?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Don Bradner
> > > > > >> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > > > > >> Posting today by satellite from Grand Island, Nebraska
> > > > > >> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--
> > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > >1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > > > > >Anaheim Hills, CA
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Juergen]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Smith"
wrote:
>
> While I have some minor disagreements with some of what Juergen said
(there is only one common wire in the cable, two hot, and one ground),
with loose wires, it is possible you crossed the two 120v hot lines,
providing the high voltage he suggests. I believe the whole problem
was caused by the poor connections, Don. Not sure how the ProSine
should react to 240v hitting it, but could well weld some contacts, as
you found.
> Gary
> SOB
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Juergen
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Electrical problems
>
>
> All I do know is that if you put the 2 hot wires, or put the
2 hot spades into the socket and let only the third wire do the
ground, you will get a 250V zap. The 4th wire is the ground for the
other hot one. I don't know the details exactly, but whenever you let
2 hot and only 1 ground enter, you go BOOM. I know that you must have
all 4 wires, contacts, firmly connected before you turn the breakers on.
Black=hot
Red=Hot
White = Ground,
Bare wire = ground
These four must be in solid contact.
Juergen in PA
1991 WLSP 36

[mbulriss]

Oh my! I wonder is that was a monocoque framework on that bus rather
than the solid steel frame rails the BB has?

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
wrote:
>
>
> Mike,
> It worked this time.
> Notice the millisecond timer in the top left corner on the interior
> portion of the video, S--T happens fast. The second you don't respect
> one of these machines is when they let you know who's boss.
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT-42
> 10Ac
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> wrote:
> >
> > I see that Mike, here's the address again , You might havr to copy
> > and paste in address bar???
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-QZbfxo
> > Kurt Horvath
> > 95 PT-42
> > 10Ac
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Kurt,
> > >
> > > That link as posted does not work. YouTube says "the video you
> > > requested is not available".
> > >
> > > FWIW,
> > >
> > > Mike Bulriss
> > > 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> > > San Antonio, TX - not a real good weekend to go to the coast!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > Your so right, "The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you
> can
> > > > fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say
> it
> > can
> > > > get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between."
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of road risk here's a vivid reminder of what can
> happen.
> > > >
> > > > Bus Crash Tes.tEver wonder what a bus crash looks like, check
> > this
> > > > out.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-Qzbfxo
> > > >
> > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > 95 PT-42
> > > > 10AC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The 30 amp cord is pretty much a standard 110 with a funny
> plug
> > on
> > > > it
> > > > > then? I knew that 220 was essentially two 110 hot wires but
> > did
> > > > not
> > > > > know that the 50 was similar. Having been in a RV store not
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > I noticed they had a featured item up near the check out a 50
> > amp
> > > > > plug with a distinct pull handle on it. I think they also had
> > 30amp
> > > > > plugs similar. Didn't impress me at the time nearly as much
> as
> > it
> > > > > does now. I don't have 50 amps into my coach but I learned
> > > > > something. I also did not realize the risk involved in the
> > battery
> > > > > campartments. I was informed last year at the Maxton rally
> > about
> > > > > that. I guess the low voltage stuff can be rather nasty as
> > well.
> > > > > Perhaps some one will review and explain what the risk with
> the
> > low
> > > > > voltage. Does make a rather nasty spark if you short the
> > positive
> > > > > against the metal I know that. All kinds of ways a fellow
> can
> > get
> > > > > hurt. I was up on the roof of my bird this morning and I was
> > VERY
> > > > > careful. I remember seeing Don's X rays. I don't much like
> it
> > up
> > > > > there but once a year I go up to check it over and see that
> all
> > is
> > > > > well. Lets see. The thing can crush you, electrocute you,
> you
> > can
> > > > > fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can
> say
> > it
> > > > can
> > > > > get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in
> between.
> > > > >
> > > > > John Heckman
> > > > > central Pa
> > > > > 1973 FC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I may not have been clear: It was the coach end of the
> shore
> > > > cord,
> > > > > not the connector that is part of the coach. The pole end is
> a
> > > > molded
> > > > > connector, but the coach end is not; don't know if that is
> > original?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a plastic ring cinched down to the cord, just
> behind
> > the
> > > > > connector. I never gave it much thought, but now I wonder why
> > that
> > > > is
> > > > > there. It lends itself to be the point that is grabbed to
> pull
> > the
> > > > > connector out, but that puts strain on the wires in the
> > connector.
> > > > > Clearly I should grab the connector body to pull it out, not
> > the
> > > > > wires.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 8/28/2008 at 8:31 PM Curt Sprenger wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Don,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Great Post...Everyone...All of us with our older coaches
> > need to
> > > > > do what
> > > > > > >Don
> > > > > > >just did, check our coach connectors. I'll add that we
> > should
> > > > also
> > > > > check
> > > > > > >our
> > > > > > >shore cord coach ends.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >.On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Don Bradner
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I've experienced two serious electrical problems on
> our
> > > > > current trip.
> > > > > > >> I'm hoping the second problem (solved) was the cause of
> > the
> > > > > first, but I
> > > > > > >> can't get my head around exactly how it would be, so I'm
> > > > hoping
> > > > > someone
> > > > > > >with
> > > > > > >> more RV electrical experience than I have will have a
> > clue. I
> > > > > will rest
> > > > > > >> easier if I know what caused the first problem.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The first problem I talked about here earlier, but will
> > run
> > > > > through for
> > > > > > >> clarity:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> With a lot of draw going on, I had the 50-amp breaker on
> > the
> > > > > park pole
> > > > > > >> blow, plus the main inside breakers, plus the breaker
> for
> > the
> > > > > inverter.
> > > > > > >> Power was lost on the inverter circuit, and did not
> return
> > > > when
> > > > > breakers
> > > > > > >> were turned back on with reduced draw. The inverter, a
> > ProSine
> > > > > 2.0, is
> > > > > > >toast
> > > > > > >> - burnt components obvious when opening the case. I
> > removed
> > > > the
> > > > > inverter
> > > > > > >and
> > > > > > >> wired input/output together for power on the inverted
> > circuit
> > > > > when on
> > > > > > >park
> > > > > > >> power, and bought a small charger to keep the batteries
> up
> > > > while
> > > > > parked.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Xantrex sent out a new ProSine 2.0 (half-price, well out-
> > of-
> > > > > warranty)
> > > > > > >and I
> > > > > > >> will get it tomorrow. I've been worrying about hooking
> it
> > up
> > > > > without
> > > > > > >knowing
> > > > > > >> what caused the failure.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Problem number 2: Yesterday I moved, and on arrival at a
> > park
> > > > in
> > > > > Ogallala
> > > > > > >> the 50-amp park breaker blew as soon as turned on. After
> > > > turning
> > > > > off the
> > > > > > >> internal main breakers I was able to get the park
> breaker
> > to
> > > > > hold after
> > > > > > >one
> > > > > > >> more failure. The breaker was "spongy" so I wasn't sure
> if
> > it
> > > > > was just
> > > > > > >weak.
> > > > > > >> Turning on the main breakers inside worked fine.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Moved again today, and the problem repeated except that
> > > > nothing
> > > > > would
> > > > > > >make
> > > > > > >> it work. In trying various things I found that my 30/50
> > cord
> > > > > worked fine.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> So, I took the coach connector apart and found:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Screw for black wire fell out, and was quite black on
> the
> > end.
> > > > > White and
> > > > > > >> Red attached, but screw not tight. Green was not
> attached
> > at
> > > > > all - screw
> > > > > > >all
> > > > > > >> the way in, and wire laid across the top. Contacting
> case,
> > but
> > > > > who knows
> > > > > > >how
> > > > > > >> well.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> It is amazing I had power at all. I cut the end off and
> > > > rebuilt
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >> connector, and had no problem turning on the power.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> It would seem to be an odd coincidence if problem one
> was
> > not
> > > > > caused by
> > > > > > >> problem two, but since the ProSine 2.0 should in theory
> > work
> > > > > regardless
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > >> what occurs on the input side I'm not sure what the
> > connection
> > > > > is.
> > > > > > >Anybody
> > > > > > >> have thoughts on this?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Don Bradner
> > > > > > >> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> > > > > > >> Posting today by satellite from Grand Island, Nebraska
> > > > > > >> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--
> > > > > > >Curt Sprenger
> > > > > > >1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
> > > > > > >Anaheim Hills, CA
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[mbulriss]

As much as I dislike messing with electrical problems, especially 30
and 50 amp stuff, I agree with Gary on this one - there is only one
common wire in the cable, two hot, and one ground.

I just recently posted about losing my neutral connection in my power
cord plug that goes into the pedestal, so it is somewhat fresh in my
mind. The round or 'u' shaped lug is the ground wire (green
sheathing). The two spade lugs on either side are hot (black and red
sheaths) and the bottom spade lug opposite the rounded one is the
shared neutral (white wire). There is only one shared ground for both
legs and one shared neutral for both hot legs.

Given the recent problems for Don and myself, this should be an item
on everyone's to-do list to open their plugs and check to make sure
the wire connections are tight. I know, hard to do on a molded plug.
These plugs and cords get lots of play wiggling them in and out of
the pedestals and coaches. I replaced mine with the new style yellow
plug end that has a molded handle built into the back. That way I
have a better grip to firmly insert/remove the plug without having to
wiggle the cord also. (Just remember that I then had to replace my
50-30 dogbone converter since the heavy ground lug on the new plug
would not go into my old converter cord.)

This is the way I understand the plug wiring. And yes, I am
relatively happy that I lost the neutral rather than the ground. At
least I did not fry anything really important to me (like me, my wife,
friends, pets, bus) other than the pedestal outlet.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it - at least for this post!

TGIF! TGIF!

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Juergen"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Smith"
> wrote:
> >
> > While I have some minor disagreements with some of what Juergen said
> (there is only one common wire in the cable, two hot, and one ground),
> with loose wires, it is possible you crossed the two 120v hot lines,
> providing the high voltage he suggests. I believe the whole problem
> was caused by the poor connections, Don. Not sure how the ProSine
> should react to 240v hitting it, but could well weld some contacts, as
> you found.
> > Gary
> > SOB
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Juergen
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Electrical problems
> >
> >
> > All I do know is that if you put the 2 hot wires, or put the
> 2 hot spades into the socket and let only the third wire do the
> ground, you will get a 250V zap. The 4th wire is the ground for the
> other hot one. I don't know the details exactly, but whenever you let
> 2 hot and only 1 ground enter, you go BOOM. I know that you must have
> all 4 wires, contacts, firmly connected before you turn the breakers
on.
> Black=hot
> Red=Hot
> White = Ground,
> Bare wire = ground
> These four must be in solid contact.
> Juergen in PA
> 1991 WLSP 36
>

[Pete Masterson]

That was one expensive test. New Setra ($600K??) and 44 test dummies.
Wonder how fast it was traveling when it hit the wall -- there was a
lot of front end damage. Sure lets you know why they have alternate
escape hatches!

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Idaho Springs, CO



On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:

>
> Mike,
> It worked this time.
> Notice the millisecond timer in the top left corner on the interior
> portion of the video, S--T happens fast. The second you don't respect
> one of these machines is when they let you know who's boss.
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT-42
> 10Ac
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
> wrote:
>>
>> I see that Mike, here's the address again , You might havr to copy
>> and paste in address bar???
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-QZbfxo
>> Kurt Horvath
>> 95 PT-42
>> 10Ac
>>
>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kurt,
>>>
>>> That link as posted does not work. YouTube says "the video you
>>> requested is not available".
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>>
>>> Mike Bulriss
>>> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
>>> San Antonio, TX - not a real good weekend to go to the coast!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Your so right, "The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you
> can
>>>> fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say
> it
>> can
>>>> get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between."
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of road risk here's a vivid reminder of what can
> happen.
>>>>
>>>> Bus Crash Tes.tEver wonder what a bus crash looks like, check
>> this
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrZr-Qzbfxo
>>>>
>>>> Kurt Horvath
>>>> 95 PT-42
>>>> 10AC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bubblerboy64"
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The 30 amp cord is pretty much a standard 110 with a funny
> plug
>> on
>>>> it
>>>>> then? I knew that 220 was essentially two 110 hot wires but
>> did
>>>> not
>>>>> know that the 50 was similar. Having been in a RV store not
>> long
>>>> ago
>>>>> I noticed they had a featured item up near the check out a 50
>> amp
>>>>> plug with a distinct pull handle on it. I think they also had
>> 30amp
>>>>> plugs similar. Didn't impress me at the time nearly as much
> as
>> it
>>>>> does now. I don't have 50 amps into my coach but I learned
>>>>> something. I also did not realize the risk involved in the
>> battery
>>>>> campartments. I was informed last year at the Maxton rally
>> about
>>>>> that. I guess the low voltage stuff can be rather nasty as
>> well.
>>>>> Perhaps some one will review and explain what the risk with
> the
>> low
>>>>> voltage. Does make a rather nasty spark if you short the
>> positive
>>>>> against the metal I know that. All kinds of ways a fellow
> can
>> get
>>>>> hurt. I was up on the roof of my bird this morning and I was
>> VERY
>>>>> careful. I remember seeing Don's X rays. I don't much like
> it
>> up
>>>>> there but once a year I go up to check it over and see that
> all
>> is
>>>>> well. Lets see. The thing can crush you, electrocute you,
> you
>> can
>>>>> fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can
> say
>> it
>>>> can
>>>>> get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in
> between.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Heckman
>>>>> central Pa
>>>>> 1973 FC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may not have been clear: It was the coach end of the
> shore
>>>> cord,
>>>>> not the connector that is part of the coach. The pole end is
> a
>>>> molded
>>>>> connector, but the coach end is not; don't know if that is
>> original?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a plastic ring cinched down to the cord, just
> behind
>> the
>>>>> connector. I never gave it much thought, but now I wonder why
>> that
>>>> is
>>>>> there. It lends itself to be the point that is grabbed to
> pull
>> the
>>>>> connector out, but that puts strain on the wires in the
>> connector.
>>>>> Clearly I should grab the connector body to pull it out, not
>> the
>>>>> wires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/28/2008 at 8:31 PM Curt Sprenger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great Post...Everyone...All of us with our older coaches
>> need to
>>>>> do what
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>> just did, check our coach connectors. I'll add that we
>> should
>>>> also
>>>>> check
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> shore cord coach ends.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Don Bradner
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've experienced two serious electrical problems on
> our
>>>>> current trip.
>>>>>>>> I'm hoping the second problem (solved) was the cause of
>> the
>>>>> first, but I
>>>>>>>> can't get my head around exactly how it would be, so I'm
>>>> hoping
>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> more RV electrical experience than I have will have a
>> clue. I
>>>>> will rest
>>>>>>>> easier if I know what caused the first problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first problem I talked about here earlier, but will
>> run
>>>>> through for
>>>>>>>> clarity:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a lot of draw going on, I had the 50-amp breaker on
>> the
>>>>> park pole
>>>>>>>> blow, plus the main inside breakers, plus the breaker
> for
>> the
>>>>> inverter.
>>>>>>>> Power was lost on the inverter circuit, and did not
> return
>>>> when
>>>>> breakers
>>>>>>>> were turned back on with reduced draw. The inverter, a
>> ProSine
>>>>> 2.0, is
>>>>>>> toast
>>>>>>>> - burnt components obvious when opening the case. I
>> removed
>>>> the
>>>>> inverter
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> wired input/output together for power on the inverted
>> circuit
>>>>> when on
>>>>>>> park
>>>>>>>> power, and bought a small charger to keep the batteries
> up
>>>> while
>>>>> parked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xantrex sent out a new ProSine 2.0 (half-price, well out-
>> of-
>>>>> warranty)
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>> will get it tomorrow. I've been worrying about hooking
> it
>> up
>>>>> without
>>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>>>> what caused the failure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Problem number 2: Yesterday I moved, and on arrival at a
>> park
>>>> in
>>>>> Ogallala
>>>>>>>> the 50-amp park breaker blew as soon as turned on. After
>>>> turning
>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>> internal main breakers I was able to get the park
> breaker
>> to
>>>>> hold after
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> more failure. The breaker was "spongy" so I wasn't sure
> if
>> it
>>>>> was just
>>>>>>> weak.
>>>>>>>> Turning on the main breakers inside worked fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Moved again today, and the problem repeated except that
>>>> nothing
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> it work. In trying various things I found that my 30/50
>> cord
>>>>> worked fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, I took the coach connector apart and found:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Screw for black wire fell out, and was quite black on
> the
>> end.
>>>>> White and
>>>>>>>> Red attached, but screw not tight. Green was not
> attached
>> at
>>>>> all - screw
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> the way in, and wire laid across the top. Contacting
> case,
>> but
>>>>> who knows
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is amazing I had power at all. I cut the end off and
>>>> rebuilt
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> connector, and had no problem turning on the power.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would seem to be an odd coincidence if problem one
> was
>> not
>>>>> caused by
>>>>>>>> problem two, but since the ProSine 2.0 should in theory
>> work
>>>>> regardless
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> what occurs on the input side I'm not sure what the
>> connection
>>>>> is.
>>>>>>> Anybody
>>>>>>>> have thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don Bradner
>>>>>>>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>>>>>>>> Posting today by satellite from Grand Island, Nebraska
>>>>>>>> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Curt Sprenger
>>>>>>> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
>>>>>>> Anaheim Hills, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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[Don Bradner]

The new ProSine 2.0 was waiting for me on arrival in Greenwood, Nebraska. It is
now installed and everything is normal. Ran every test I could think of
before/after, and nothing appears to be amiss.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
My location: http://www.bbirdmaps.com/user2.cfm?user=1

[Hisham Amaral]

If this was anNCAP test it should have been performed at 35MPH. The last 18 years of my engineering work was in safety restraints and vehicle impact performance. The front end must have a very stiff structure to withstand the impact loads, however the dummies do not do so well the energy that did not get absorbed in the frame was transferred to the occupants. I don't understand the 5* rating that is printedat the bottomscreenbelow the video. Hisham Amaral W. Bloomfield, MI. --- On Fri, 8/29/08, Pete Masterson wrote: From: Pete Masterson Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Electrical problems To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 5:22 PM That was one expensive test. New Setra ($600K??) and 44 test dummies. Wonder how fast it was traveling when it hit the wall -- there was a lot of front end damage. Sure lets you know why they have alternate escape hatches! Pete Masterson '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42 "aeonix1%40mac.com" On the road at Idaho Springs, CO On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote: > > Mike, > It worked this time. > Notice the millisecond timer in the top left corner on the interior > portion of the video, S--T happens fast. The second you don't respect > one of these machines is when they let you know who's boss. > Kurt Horvath > 95 PT-42 > 10Ac > > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Kurt Horvath" > wrote: >> >> I see that Mike, here's the address again , You might havr to copy >> and paste in address bar??? >> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rrZr-QZbfxo >> Kurt Horvath >> 95 PT-42 >> 10Ac >> >> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "mbulriss" <mbulriss@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Kurt, >>> >>> That link as posted does not work. YouTube says "the video you >>> requested is not available". >>> >>> FWIW, >>> >>> Mike Bulriss >>> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan" >>> San Antonio, TX - not a real good weekend to go to the coast! >>> >>> >>> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Kurt Horvath" >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> John, >>>> >>>> Your so right, "The thing can crush you, electrocute you, you > can >>>> fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can say > it >> can >>>> get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in between." >>>> >>>> Speaking of road risk here's a vivid reminder of what can > happen. >>>> >>>> Bus Crash Tes.tEver wonder what a bus crash looks like, check >> this >>>> out. >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rrZr-Qzbfxo >>>> >>>> Kurt Horvath >>>> 95 PT-42 >>>> 10AC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "bubblerboy64" > >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The 30 amp cord is pretty much a standard 110 with a funny > plug >> on >>>> it >>>>> then? I knew that 220 was essentially two 110 hot wires but >> did >>>> not >>>>> know that the 50 was similar. Having been in a RV store not >> long >>>> ago >>>>> I noticed they had a featured item up near the check out a 50 >> amp >>>>> plug with a distinct pull handle on it. I think they also had >> 30amp >>>>> plugs similar. Didn't impress me at the time nearly as much > as >> it >>>>> does now. I don't have 50 amps into my coach but I learned >>>>> something. I also did not realize the risk involved in the >> battery >>>>> campartments. I was informed last year at the Maxton rally >> about >>>>> that. I guess the low voltage stuff can be rather nasty as >> well. >>>>> Perhaps some one will review and explain what the risk with > the >> low >>>>> voltage. Does make a rather nasty spark if you short the >> positive >>>>> against the metal I know that. All kinds of ways a fellow > can >> get >>>>> hurt. I was up on the roof of my bird this morning and I was >> VERY >>>>> careful. I remember seeing Don's X rays. I don't much like > it >> up >>>>> there but once a year I go up to check it over and see that > all >> is >>>>> well. Lets see. The thing can crush you, electrocute you, > you >> can >>>>> fall off, and then there is the road risk. I guess we can > say >> it >>>> can >>>>> get you coming and going as well as a couple ways in > between. >>>>> >>>>> John Heckman >>>>> central Pa >>>>> 1973 FC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I may not have been clear: It was the coach end of the > shore >>>> cord, >>>>> not the connector that is part of the coach. The pole end is > a >>>> molded >>>>> connector, but the coach end is not; don't know if that is >> original? >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a plastic ring cinched down to the cord, just > behind >> the >>>>> connector. I never gave it much thought, but now I wonder why >> that >>>> is >>>>> there. It lends itself to be the point that is grabbed to > pull >> the >>>>> connector out, but that puts strain on the wires in the >> connector. >>>>> Clearly I should grab the connector body to pull it out, not >> the >>>>> wires. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/28/2008 at 8:31 PM Curt Sprenger wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Don, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great Post...Everyone. ..All of us with our older coaches >> need to >>>>> do what >>>>>>> Don >>>>>>> just did, check our coach connectors. I'll add that we >> should >>>> also >>>>> check >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> shore cord coach ends. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Don Bradner >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've experienced two serious electrical problems on > our >>>>> current trip. >>>>>>>> I'm hoping the second problem (solved) was the cause of >> the >>>>> first, but I >>>>>>>> can't get my head around exactly how it would be, so I'm >>>> hoping >>>>> someone >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> more RV electrical experience than I have will have a >> clue. I >>>>> will rest >>>>>>>> easier if I know what caused the first problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The first problem I talked about here earlier, but will >> run >>>>> through for >>>>>>>> clarity: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With a lot of draw going on, I had the 50-amp breaker on >> the >>>>> park pole >>>>>>>> blow, plus the main inside breakers, plus the breaker > for >> the >>>>> inverter. >>>>>>>> Power was lost on the inverter circuit, and did not > return >>>> when >>>>> breakers >>>>>>>> were turned back on with reduced draw. The inverter, a >> ProSine >>>>> 2.0, is >>>>>>> toast >>>>>>>> - burnt components obvious when opening the case. I >> removed >>>> the >>>>> inverter >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> wired input/output together for power on the inverted >> circuit >>>>> when on >>>>>>> park >>>>>>>> power, and bought a small charger to keep the batteries > up >>>> while >>>>> parked. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Xantrex sent out a new ProSine 2.0 (half-price, well out- >> of- >>>>> warranty) >>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>> will get it tomorrow. I've been worrying about hooking > it >> up >>>>> without >>>>>>> knowing >>>>>>>> what caused the failure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Problem number 2: Yesterday I moved, and on arrival at a >> park >>>> in >>>>> Ogallala >>>>>>>> the 50-amp park breaker blew as soon as turned on. After >>>> turning >>>>> off the >>>>>>>> internal main breakers I was able to get the park > breaker >> to >>>>> hold after >>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> more failure. The breaker was "spongy" so I wasn't sure > if >> it >>>>> was just >>>>>>> weak. >>>>>>>> Turning on the main breakers inside worked fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Moved again today, and the problem repeated except that >>>> nothing >>>>> would >>>>>>> make >>>>>>>> it work. In trying various things I found that my 30/50 >> cord >>>>> worked fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, I took the coach connector apart and found: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Screw for black wire fell out, and was quite black on > the >> end. >>>>> White and >>>>>>>> Red attached, but screw not tight. Green was not > attached >> at >>>>> all - screw >>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> the way in, and wire laid across the top. Contacting > case, >> but >>>>> who knows >>>>>>> how >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is amazing I had power at all. I cut the end off and >>>> rebuilt >>>>> the >>>>>>>> connector, and had no problem turning on the power. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would seem to be an odd coincidence if problem one > was >> not >>>>> caused by >>>>>>>> problem two, but since the ProSine 2.0 should in theory >> work >>>>> regardless >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> what occurs on the input side I'm not sure what the >> connection >>>>> is. >>>>>>> Anybody >>>>>>>> have thoughts on this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don Bradner >>>>>>>> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder" >>>>>>>> Posting today by satellite from Grand Island, Nebraska >>>>>>>> My location: http://www.bbirdmaps. com/user2. cfm?user= 1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Curt Sprenger >>>>>>> 1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing" >>>>>>> Anaheim Hills, CA >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >