Ultraguard Mud flap

[jburgessx2]

Brad,

I have the 6V92, not the 8V92.

Jerry
84 PT40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@...> wrote:
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I misunderstood your purpose. If you have an 8V92, even if you have relocated
slobber tubes, you'll still have some oil vapor trailing you. But that's one of
the very few minor disadvantages of an 8V.
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...
>
>
>
>
>
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> From: jburgessx2@...
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:09:59 +0000
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Ultraguard Mud flap
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad,
>
> I was more curious on whether or not people used them and there was one in
particular that worked better on a PT40. I've seen some pretty good ones
advertised on the internet and was hoping to get something tested and true by
Wanderlodge users.
>
> Jerry
> 85 PT40
> Port Hueneme, CA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If you want Blue Bird Wanderlodge printed on the back, I can't help you, but
Camping World has them.
> >
> >
> >
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/pro...uards/1450
> >
> >
> > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > From: jburgessx2@
> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:35:10 +0000
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Ultraguard Mud flap
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have one of those long mud flag/rock guards on their PT40? Mine
doesn't have one but it seems it may be helpful in keeping the rocks and oil off
the toad. As I mentioned before, the oil from the Detroit seems to end up on the
back of the coach and/or toad and I would like to cut that down.
> >
> > If you use one, what do you recommend for an 85 PT40?
> >
> > As always, I appreciate the knowledge and help on this board.
> >
> > Jerry
> > 85 PT40
> > Port Hueneme, CA
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[Scott Forman]

Don,

Unless you have installed some sort of CCV system, this is not normal. You may
have clogged airbox drains. The engine is designed to slobber. If it can't
breathe, there can be probems,

Scott Forman
86 PT38
Memphis

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" wrote:
>
> My 8V92 doesn't throw oil, happy to say!
>
> On 3/17/2009 at 1:40 AM jburgessx2 wrote:
>
> >Don,
> >
> >Well, I was hoping the extra long flap would curtail some of the oil -
> >that's to bad. Thanks for letting me know. I might still get one because
> >it probably will cut down on the rocks - couldn't hurt anyways. And,
> >maybe it will keep some of the oil off the toad and coach.
> >
> >Jerry
> >85 PT40
> >Port Huemene, CA
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> ><scottforman75@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have one on my PT38, was on there when I got the coach. Does not have
> >any brand name on it. I still get oil on the back of the coach and toad.
> >>
> >> Scott Forman
> >> 86 PT38
> >> Memphis
> >>
> >> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jburgessx2"
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Brad,
> >> >
> >> > I was more curious on whether or not people used them and there was
> >one in particular that worked better on a PT40. I've seen some pretty
> >good ones advertised on the internet and was hoping to get something
> >tested and true by Wanderlodge users.
> >> >
> >> > Jerry
> >> > 85 PT40
> >> > Port Hueneme, CA
> >> >
> >> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@>
> >wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > If you want Blue Bird Wanderlodge printed on the back, I can't help
> >you, but Camping World has them.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
>
>http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/pro...uards/1450
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >> > > From: jburgessx2@
> >> > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:35:10 +0000
> >> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Ultraguard Mud flap
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Does anyone have one of those long mud flag/rock guards on their
> >PT40? Mine doesn't have one but it seems it may be helpful in keeping the
> >rocks and oil off the toad. As I mentioned before, the oil from the
> >Detroit seems to end up on the back of the coach and/or toad and I would
> >like to cut that down.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you use one, what do you recommend for an 85 PT40?
> >> > >
> >> > > As always, I appreciate the knowledge and help on this board.
> >> > >
> >> > > Jerry
> >> > > 85 PT40
> >> > > Port Hueneme, CA
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[Leroy Eckert]

Mine does not throw, piss or spray oil either; never has. I do not have a CCV system. The slobber tubes are correct and drop a little oil the size of a half dollar after a 1000 mile trip. My slobber tubes almost touch the road surface. I do not get any significant oil on the back of the bus; a couple of drops perhaps. I just cut my mud flap off 9" because I got tired of repairing it from dragging around on the road. Leroy Eckert 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors Dahlonega, GA Royale Conversion --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Scott Forman <scottforman75@...> wrote: From: Scott Forman <scottforman75@...> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Ultraguard Mud flap To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 8:16 AM Don, Unless you have installed some sort of CCV system, this is not normal. You may have clogged airbox drains. The engine is designed to slobber. If it can't breathe, there can be probems, Scott Forman 86 PT38 Memphis --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Don Bradner" wrote: > > My 8V92 doesn't throw oil, happy to say! > > On 3/17/2009 at 1:40 AM jburgessx2 wrote: > > >Don, > > > >Well, I was hoping the extra long flap would curtail some of the oil - > >that's to bad. Thanks for letting me know. I might still get one because > >it probably will cut down on the rocks - couldn't hurt anyways. And, > >maybe it will keep some of the oil off the toad and coach. > > > >Jerry > >85 PT40 > >Port Huemene, CA > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Scott Forman" > ><scottforman75@ > wrote: > >> > >> I have one on my PT38, was on there when I got the coach. Does not have > >any brand name on it. I still get oil on the back of the coach and toad. > >> > >> Scott Forman > >> 86 PT38 > >> Memphis > >> > >> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "jburgessx2" > >wrote: > >> > > >> > Brad, > >> > > >> > I was more curious on whether or not people used them and there was > >one in particular that worked better on a PT40. I've seen some pretty > >good ones advertised on the internet and was hoping to get something > >tested and true by Wanderlodge users. > >> > > >> > Jerry > >> > 85 PT40 > >> > Port Hueneme, CA > >> > > >> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, brad barton <bbartonwx@> > >wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > If you want Blue Bird Wanderlodge printed on the back, I can't help > >you, but Camping World has them. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >http://www.campingw orld.com/ shopping/ product/rock- solid-protective -guards/1450 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com > >> > > From: jburgessx2@ > >> > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:35:10 +0000 > >> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Ultraguard Mud flap > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Does anyone have one of those long mud flag/rock guards on their > >PT40? Mine doesn't have one but it seems it may be helpful in keeping the > >rocks and oil off the toad. As I mentioned before, the oil from the > >Detroit seems to end up on the back of the coach and/or toad and I would > >like to cut that down. > >> > > > >> > > If you use one, what do you recommend for an 85 PT40? > >> > > > >> > > As always, I appreciate the knowledge and help on this board. > >> > > > >> > > Jerry > >> > > 85 PT40 > >> > > Port Hueneme, CA > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > >> > > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for > >Hotmail®. > >> > > > >http://www.windowsl ive-hotmail. com/LearnMore/ personalize. aspx?ocid= TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_ 032009#colorthem e > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >----------- --------- --------- ------- > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Leroy Eckert]

Personally, I believe you need to check the air boxes, check valves and drains. The lack of a mud flap is not the cause of the oil spray. If I understand the check valves correctly, they close at either 950 or 1400 RPM depending on the part number of the check valve installed preventing residue from exiting the tubes until idle. If I am correct and I believe I am, oil cannot exit the slobber tubes while driving down the road if the system is working properly. You can test the check valve operation by disconnecting the tube aft of the check valve and see if air is exiting the check valve at idle. If not, the air box or the check valve has a problem. If air exits the check valve above 950 or 1400 RPM depending on the PN installed, the check valve is bad and should be replaced. If no air exits the check valve at specified PN RPM the check valve is good and can be reused. Leroy Eckert 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors Dahlonega, GA Royale Conversion --- On Mon, 3/16/09, jburgessx2 wrote: From: jburgessx2 Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Ultraguard Mud flap To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:40 PM Don, Well, I was hoping the extra long flap would curtail some of the oil - that's to bad. Thanks for letting me know.. I might still get one because it probably will cut down on the rocks - couldn't hurt anyways. And, maybe it will keep some of the oil off the toad and coach. Jerry 85 PT40 Port Huemene, CA --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@ ...> wrote: > > I have one on my PT38, was on there when I got the coach. Does not have any brand name on it. I still get oil on the back of the coach and toad. > > Scott Forman > 86 PT38 > Memphis > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "jburgessx2" wrote: > > > > Brad, > > > > I was more curious on whether or not people used them and there was one in particular that worked better on a PT40. I've seen some pretty good ones advertised on the internet and was hoping to get something tested and true by Wanderlodge users. > > > > Jerry > > 85 PT40 > > Port Hueneme, CA > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, brad barton <bbartonwx@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you want Blue Bird Wanderlodge printed on the back, I can't help you, but Camping World has them. > > > > > > > > > http://www.campingw orld.com/ shopping/ product/rock- solid-protective -guards/1450 > > > > > > > > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com > > > From: jburgessx2@ > > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:35:10 +0000 > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Ultraguard Mud flap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have one of those long mud flag/rock guards on their PT40? Mine doesn't have one but it seems it may be helpful in keeping the rocks and oil off the toad. As I mentioned before, the oil from the Detroit seems to end up on the back of the coach and/or toad and I would like to cut that down. > > > > > > If you use one, what do you recommend for an 85 PT40? > > > > > > As always, I appreciate the knowledge and help on this board. > > > > > > Jerry > > > 85 PT40 > > > Port Hueneme, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > > Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. > > > http://www.windowsl ive-hotmail. com/LearnMore/ personalize. aspx?ocid= TXT_MSGTX_ WL_HM_express_ 032009#colorthem e > > > > > >

[Don Bradner]

It would be interesting to hear from other 90-and-later 8V92 owners besids Leroy
and myself. I don't know why our engines (Leroy's and mine) don't throw a lot of
oil, but I know that by 1990 Detroit was well into things designed to reduce the
pollution from that engine.

On 3/17/2009 at 12:16 PM Scott Forman wrote:

>Don,
>
>Unless you have installed some sort of CCV system, this is not normal.
>You may have clogged airbox drains. The engine is designed to slobber.
>If it can't breathe, there can be probems,
>
>Scott Forman
>86 PT38
>Memphis
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
>wrote:
>>
>> My 8V92 doesn't throw oil, happy to say!

[Kurt Horvath]

Here's a few links if your interested in CCV

http://www.parker.com/racor/pdf/7480G/pdf/Section08.pdf
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0...99667/pg_1
http://www.walkerairsep.com/

Kurt Horvath


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> Personally, I believe you need to check the air boxes, check valves and
drains. The lack of a mud flap is not the cause of the oil spray. If I
understand the check valves correctly, they close at either 950 or 1400 RPM
depending on the part number of the check valve installed preventing residue
from exiting the tubes until idle. If I am correct and I believe I am, oil
cannot exit the slobber tubes while driving down the road if the system is
working properly. You can test the check valve operation by disconnecting the
tube aft of the check valve and see if air is exiting the check valve at idle.
If not, the air box or the check valve has a problem. If air exits the check
valve above 950 or 1400 RPM depending on the PN installed, the check valve is
bad and should be replaced. If no air exits the check valve at specified PN RPM
the check valve is good and can be reused.
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40 Smoke N Mirrors
> Dahlonega, GA
> Royale Conversion
>
>
>
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>
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> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, jburgessx2 wrote:
>
> From: jburgessx2
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Ultraguard Mud flap
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:40 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Don,
>
>
>
> Well, I was hoping the extra long flap would curtail some of the oil - that's
to bad. Thanks for letting me know. I might still get one because it probably
will cut down on the rocks - couldn't hurt anyways. And, maybe it will keep
some of the oil off the toad and coach.
>
>
>
> Jerry
>
> 85 PT40
>
> Port Huemene, CA
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@ ...>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I have one on my PT38, was on there when I got the coach. Does not have any
brand name on it. I still get oil on the back of the coach and toad..
>
> >
>
> > Scott Forman
>
> > 86 PT38
>
> > Memphis
>
> >
>
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "jburgessx2"
wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Brad,
>
> > >
>
> > > I was more curious on whether or not people used them and there was one in
particular that worked better on a PT40. I've seen some pretty good ones
advertised on the internet and was hoping to get something tested and true by
Wanderlodge users.
>
> > >
>
> > > Jerry
>
> > > 85 PT40
>
> > > Port Hueneme, CA
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, brad barton <bbartonwx@> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > If you want Blue Bird Wanderlodge printed on the back, I can't help you,
but Camping World has them.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > http://www.campingw orld.com/ shopping/ product/rock- solid-protective
-guards/1450
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > > > From: jburgessx2@
>
> > > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:35:10 +0000
>
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Ultraguard Mud flap
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Does anyone have one of those long mud flag/rock guards on their PT40?
Mine doesn't have one but it seems it may be helpful in keeping the rocks and
oil off the toad. As I mentioned before, the oil from the Detroit seems to end
up on the back of the coach and/or toad and I would like to cut that down.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > If you use one, what do you recommend for an 85 PT40?
>
> > > >
>
> > > > As always, I appreciate the knowledge and help on this board.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Jerry
>
> > > > 85 PT40
>
> > > > Port Hueneme, CA
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Don.
1991 8V-92. DDEC 2- 145000 mi
No percepticle oil leaks.

John Redden
91 PT-40
Currently at FMCA in Perry

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From: "Don Bradner"
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:00:48 -0700
To:
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Ultraguard Mud flap

It would be interesting to hear from other 90-and-later 8V92 owners besids Leroy and myself. I don't know why our engines (Leroy's and mine) don't throw a lot of oil, but I know that by 1990 Detroit was well into things designed to reduce the pollution from that engine.

On 3/17/2009 at 12:16 PM Scott Forman wrote:

>Don,
>
>Unless you have installed some sort of CCV system, this is not normal.
>You may have clogged airbox drains. The engine is designed to slobber.
>If it can't breathe, there can be probems,
>
>Scott Forman
>86 PT38
>Memphis
>
>--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Don Bradner" ...>
>wrote:
>>
>> My 8V92 doesn't throw oil, happy to say!

[Ryan Wright]

Didn't somebody here build a cheap PVC system to catch the oil?

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Kurt Horvath wrote:
>
> Here's a few links if your interested in CCV
>
> http://www.parker.com/racor/pdf/7480G/pdf/Section08.pdf
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0...99667/pg_1
> http://www.walkerairsep.com/
>
> Kurt Horvath

[RWW]

I have little, if any, issues with oil on the back of my coach or on the toad.

I get quarter size drips under the tubes after a long run and the coach sitsnfor a while.

Roger Webb

91 WL

Cedar Rapids, IA

On Mar 17, 2009, at 10:00 AM, "Don Bradner" <"bluethunder@arcatapet.com"> wrote:

It would be interesting to hear from other 90-and-later 8V92 owners besids Leroy and myself. I don't know why our engines (Leroy's and mine) don't throw a lot of oil, but I know that by 1990 Detroit was well into things designed to reduce the pollution from that engine.



On 3/17/2009 at 12:16 PM Scott Forman wrote:



>Don,

>

>Unless you have installed some sort of CCV system, this is not normal.

>You may have clogged airbox drains. The engine is designed to slobber.

>If it can't breathe, there can be probems,

>

>Scott Forman

>86 PT38

>Memphis

>

>--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Don Bradner" ...>

>wrote:

>>

>> My 8V92 doesn't throw oil, happy to say!

[brad barton]

Jerry,

Understood. Still pretty much the same. I didn't really sling any oil unless I had overfilled my 8V92, but at least on my Newell, I considered and oily vapor residue normal on the rear end of the coach after a day on the road.

Brad

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: jburgessx2@...
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:49:08 +0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Ultraguard Mud flap

Brad,

I have the 6V92, not the 8V92.

Jerry
84 PT40

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", brad barton <bbartonwx@.<WBR>..> wrote:
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I misunderstood your purpose. If you have an 8V92, even if you have relocated slobber tubes, you'll still have some oil vapor trailing you. But that's one of the very few minor disadvantages of an 8V.
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...
>
>
>
>
>
> To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
> From: jburgessx2@...
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:09:59 +0000
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Ultraguard Mud flap
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad,
>
> I was more curious on whether or not people used them and there was one in particular that worked better on a PT40. I've seen some pretty good ones advertised on the internet and was hoping to get something tested and true by Wanderlodge users.
>
> Jerry
> 85 PT40
> Port Hueneme, CA
>
> --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", brad barton <bbartonwx@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If you want Blue Bird Wanderlodge printed on the back, I can't help you, but Camping World has them.
> >
> >
> > http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/product/rock-solid-protective-guards/1450
> >
> >
> > Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
> > From: jburgessx2@
> > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:35:10 +0000
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Ultraguard Mud flap
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have one of those long mud flag/rock guards on their PT40? Mine doesn't have one but it seems it may be helpful in keeping the rocks and oil off the toad. As I mentioned before, the oil from the Detroit seems to end up on the back of the coach and/or toad and I would like to cut that down.
> >
> > If you use one, what do you recommend for an 85 PT40?
> >
> > As always, I appreciate the knowledge and help on this board.
> >
> > Jerry
> > 85 PT40
> > Port Hueneme, CA
> >
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