Attention Todd Moning

[Wallace Craig]

Your article on "Texas drivers license requirements" does not square with Texas Transportation Codechapter 522 which at TRC 522.004 exempts fromCDL requirements "persons operating recreational vehicles for personal use".I realize that you got information from Beth Roberts at DPS whosaid that persons driving motorhomes in Texas need a class B CDL. I think you owe it to the many readers who rely upon you for accuracy the cost of a legal opinion from a qualified Texas attorney (other than me). As I poiinted out in my phone call, her opinion does not constitute binding legal precident which can only come from a decision by a court of competent jurisdiction. Wallace Craig 95 WLWB 42 Azle, Texas FMCA 86944

[jim riordan]

Why would you get a CDL if not required to, the penalties for traffic infractions is sooo much greater that for a regular one jim riordan --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Wallace Craig wrote: From: Wallace Craig Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning To: membership@... Cc: "ernie Idontknow" , wanderlodgeforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Fullenwider" Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 6:51 PM Your article on "Texas drivers license requirements" does not square with Texas Transportation Codechapter 522 which at TRC 522.004 exempts fromCDL requirements "persons operating recreational vehicles for personal use".I realize that you got information from Beth Roberts at DPS whosaid that persons driving motorhomes in Texas need a class B CDL. I think you owe it to the many readers who rely upon you for accuracy the cost of a legal opinion from a qualified Texas attorney (other than me). As I poiinted out in my phone call, her opinion does not constitute binding legal precident which can only come from a decision by a court of competent jurisdiction. Wallace Craig 95 WLWB 42 Azle, Texas FMCA 86944

[Don Bradner]

Wallace,

Chaper 522 is purely about Commercial licenses. In fact the title of the Chapter
is "Commercial Driver's Licenses," and you used the term CDL in your post.

The FMCA article is very clear:

"drivers whose motorhomes' GVWR exceeds 26,000 pounds should hold an exempt
(noncommercial) Class B or Class A license."

Note the very, very, important "non" in front of commercial.

The section which requires a Class B for over 26K is 521.082. Whether a Class B
is CDL or non-CDL is a separate matter.

You are correct that a CDL is not required.

Your are wrong about not needing a Class B.

On 4/2/2009 at 3:51 PM Wallace Craig wrote:

>Your article on "Texas drivers license requirements" does not square with
>Texas Transportation Code chapter 522  which at TRC 522.004 exempts
>from CDL requirements "persons operating recreational vehicles for
>personal use".  I realize that you got information from Beth Roberts at
>DPS who said that persons driving motorhomes in Texas need a class B CDL. 
>I think you owe it to the many readers who rely upon you for accuracy the
>cost of a legal opinion from a qualified Texas attorney (other than me). 
>As I poiinted out in my phone call, her opinion does not constitute
>binding legal precident which can only come from a decision by a court of
>competent jurisdiction.
> 
>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
>FMCA 86944

[Wallace Craig]

Don, the language under TRC 522.004 entitled "persons exempted from Texas CDL requirements specifically list "persons operating recreational vehicles for personal use." You and I do not read this article the same and I will undertake a further searchnext week when I have access to a law library Hopefully I can find a case or an attorney generals opinion; in the meantime I still contend that part 383 entitled Commercial Drivers license and list classA,B,AND Wallace Craig 95 WLWB 42 Azle, Texas --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Don Bradner wrote: From: Don Bradner Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 9:45 PM Wallace, Chaper 522 is purely about Commercial licenses. In fact the title of the Chapter is "Commercial Driver's Licenses," and you used the term CDL in your post. The FMCA article is very clear: "drivers whose motorhomes' GVWR exceeds 26,000 pounds should hold an exempt (noncommercial) Class B or Class A license." Note the very, very, important "non" in front of commercial. The section which requires a Class B for over 26K is 521.082. Whether a Class B is CDL or non-CDL is a separate matter. You are correct that a CDL is not required. Your are wrong about not needing a Class B. On 4/2/2009 at 3:51 PM Wallace Craig wrote: >Your article on "Texas drivers license requirements" does not square with >Texas Transportation Codechapter 522 which at TRC 522.004 exempts >fromCDL requirements "persons operating recreational vehicles for >personal use".I realize that you got information from Beth Roberts at >DPS whosaid that persons driving motorhomes in Texas need a class B CDL. >I think you owe it to the many readers who rely upon you for accuracy the >cost of a legal opinion from a qualified Texas attorney (other than me). >As I poiinted out in my phone call, her opinion does not constitute >binding legal precident which can only come from a decision by a court of >competent jurisdiction. > >Wallace Craig >95 WLWB 42 >Azle, Texas >FMCA 86944 ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:WanderlodgeForum-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:WanderlodgeForum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Wallace Craig]

oopS.,and gives a clear exemption.Seems pretty clear to me; but then I was wrong once. Wallace Craig 95 WLWB 42 Azle, Texas --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Wallace Craig wrote: From: Wallace Craig Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:12 PM Don, the language under TRC 522.004 entitled "persons exempted from Texas CDL requirements specifically list "persons operating recreational vehicles for personal use." You and I do not read this article the same and I will undertake a further searchnext week when I have access to a law library Hopefully I can find a case or an attorney generals opinion; in the meantime I still contend that part 383 entitled Commercial Drivers license and list classA,B,AND Wallace Craig 95 WLWB 42 Azle, Texas --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Don Bradner wrote: From: Don Bradner Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 9:45 PM Wallace, Chaper 522 is purely about Commercial licenses. In fact the title of the Chapter is "Commercial Driver's Licenses," and you used the term CDL in your post. The FMCA article is very clear: "drivers whose motorhomes' GVWR exceeds 26,000 pounds should hold an exempt (noncommercial) Class B or Class A license." Note the very, very, important "non" in front of commercial. The section which requires a Class B for over 26K is 521.082. Whether a Class B is CDL or non-CDL is a separate matter. You are correct that a CDL is not required. Your are wrong about not needing a Class B. On 4/2/2009 at 3:51 PM Wallace Craig wrote: >Your article on "Texas drivers license requirements" does not square with >Texas Transportation Codechapter 522 which at TRC 522.004 exempts >fromCDL requirements "persons operating recreational vehicles for >personal use".I realize that you got information from Beth Roberts at >DPS whosaid that persons driving motorhomes in Texas need a class B CDL. >I think you owe it to the many readers who rely upon you for accuracy the >cost of a legal opinion from a qualified Texas attorney (other than me). >As I poiinted out in my phone call, her opinion does not constitute >binding legal precident which can only come from a decision by a court of >competent jurisdiction. > >Wallace Craig >95 WLWB 42 >Azle, Texas >FMCA 86944 ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:WanderlodgeForum-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:WanderlodgeForum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Don Bradner]

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.

You are hung up on A and B being commercial. They don't have to be.

There are CDL A and CDL B, and there are non-CDL A and non-CDL B.

Language in the Texas regulations tend to use the word "exempt" where other
states would just use "non," so it is exempt A and exempt B, both OK for
operating a non-commercial vehicle such as an RV, over 26,000 lbs.

For non-CDL B you use a CDL form and check the exempt box, at which point it
becomes an application for a non-CDL license.

On 4/2/2009 at 8:17 PM Wallace Craig wrote:

>oopS. , and gives a clear exemption.   Seems pretty clear to me; but then
>I was wrong once. 
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>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
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>From: Wallace Craig
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:12 PM
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>Don, the language under TRC 522.004 entitled "persons exempted from Texas
>CDL requirements specifically  list "persons operating recreational
>vehicles for personal use."   You and I do not read this  article the same
>and I will undertake a further search next week when I have access to a
>law library  Hopefully I can find a case or an attorney generals opinion;
>in the meantime I still contend that part 383 entitled Commercial Drivers
>license and list class  A,B,AND
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>Wallace Craig
>95 WLWB 42
>Azle, Texas
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>--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Don Bradner wrote:
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>From: Don Bradner
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 9:45 PM
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>Wallace,
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>Chaper 522 is purely about Commercial licenses. In fact the title of the
>Chapter is "Commercial Driver's Licenses," and you used the term CDL in
>your post.
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>The FMCA article is very clear:
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>"drivers whose motorhomes' GVWR exceeds 26,000 pounds should hold an
>exempt (noncommercial) Class B or Class A license."
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>Note the very, very, important "non" in front of commercial.
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>The section which requires a Class B for over 26K is 521.082. Whether a
>Class B is CDL or non-CDL is a separate matter.
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>You are correct that a CDL is not required.
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>Your are wrong about not needing a Class B.
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>On 4/2/2009 at 3:51 PM Wallace Craig wrote:
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>>Your article on "Texas drivers license requirements" does not square with
>>Texas Transportation Code chapter 522  which at TRC 522.004 exempts
>>from CDL requirements "persons operating recreational vehicles for
>>personal use".  I realize that you got information from Beth Roberts at
>>DPS who said that persons driving motorhomes in Texas need a class B CDL. 
>>I think you owe it to the many readers who rely upon you for accuracy the
>>cost of a legal opinion from a qualified Texas attorney (other than me). 
>>As I poiinted out in my phone call, her opinion does not constitute
>>binding legal precident which can only come from a decision by a court of
>>competent jurisdiction.
>> 
>>Wallace Craig
>>95 WLWB 42
>>Azle, Texas
>>FMCA 86944
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[Steve Pfiffner]

 Are the penalties different for holders of a CDL? I have had a Class A Texas CDL for 41 years

and did not realize I was paying more for my few speeding tickets!!!

 

 Steve

 Wannabee

 

On 4/2/09, <b class="gmail_sendername">jim riordan[/b] <"jqrjr@yahoo.com"> wrote:

Why would you get a CDL if not required to, the penalties for traffic infractions is sooo much greater that for a regular one jim riordan ---Â

[Dorn Hetzel]

I do not believe the penalties are larger for a CDL holder while driving a non-CDL vehicle,
*except* I believe the BAC limit is universally 0.04 for a CDL holder, no matter what they are driving.

Dorn Hetzel
77FC35

Hogansville, GA

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Steve Pfiffner <"madrone1@hughes.net"> wrote:

 Are the penalties different for holders of a CDL? I have had a Class A Texas CDL for 41 years

and did not realize I was paying more for my few speeding tickets!!!

 

 Steve

 Wannabee

 

On 4/2/09, <b class="gmail_sendername">jim riordan[/b] <"jqrjr@yahoo.com"> wrote:

Why would you get a CDL if not required to, the penalties for traffic infractions is sooo much greater that for a regular one jim riordan ---Â

[Wallace Craig]

Steve, I am sorry but I don't know--someone has suggested that it is different. Wallace Craig 95 WLWB 42 Azle, Texas --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Steve Pfiffner wrote: From: Steve Pfiffner Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 7:59 AM Are the penalties different for holders of a CDL? I have had a Class A Texas CDL for 41 years and did not realize I was paying more for my few speeding tickets!!! Steve Wannabee On 4/2/09, <B class="gmail_sendername">jim riordan[/b] <jqrjr@...> wrote: Why would you get a CDL if not required to, the penalties for traffic infractions is sooo much greater that for a regular one jim riordan ---

[Wallace Craig]

Don, lets admit it; neither of us have the answer until someone finds a court case that answers the question. I hold to my opinion and rely on the exemption as applying to all RV'S; other inerpretatons seem to defy the exemption which is clearly stated. I will certainly post if and when I find a case or AG opinion. Wallace Craig 95 WLWB 42 Azle, Texas --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Don Bradner wrote: From: Don Bradner Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 11:56 PM I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. You are hung up on A and B being commercial. They don't have to be. There are CDL A and CDL B, and there are non-CDL A and non-CDL B. Language in the Texas regulations tend to use the word "exempt" where other states would just use "non," so it is exempt A and exempt B, both OK for operating a non-commercial vehicle such as an RV, over 26,000 lbs. For non-CDL B you use a CDL form and check the exempt box, at which point it becomes an application for a non-CDL license. On 4/2/2009 at 8:17 PM Wallace Craig wrote: >oopS.,and gives a clear exemption.Seems pretty clear to me; but then >I was wrong once. > > >Wallace Craig >95 WLWB 42 >Azle, Texas > >--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Wallace Craig <wallacecraig1@...> wrote: > > >From: Wallace Craig <wallacecraig1@...> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Don, the language under TRC 522.004 entitled "persons exempted from Texas >CDL requirements specifically list "persons operating recreational >vehicles for personal use." You and I do not read this article the same >and I will undertake a further searchnext week when I have access to a >law library Hopefully I can find a case or an attorney generals opinion; >in the meantime I still contend that part 383 entitled Commercial Drivers >license and list classA,B,AND > >Wallace Craig >95 WLWB 42 >Azle, Texas > >--- On Thu, 4/2/09, Don Bradner <bluethunder@...> wrote: > > >From: Don Bradner <bluethunder@...> >Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Attention Todd Moning >To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com >Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 9:45 PM > > >Wallace, > >Chaper 522 is purely about Commercial licenses. In fact the title of the >Chapter is "Commercial Driver's Licenses," and you used the term CDL in >your post. > >The FMCA article is very clear: > >"drivers whose motorhomes' GVWR exceeds 26,000 pounds should hold an >exempt (noncommercial) Class B or Class A license." > >Note the very, very, important "non" in front of commercial. > >The section which requires a Class B for over 26K is 521.082. Whether a >Class B is CDL or non-CDL is a separate matter. > >You are correct that a CDL is not required. > >Your are wrong about not needing a Class B. > >On 4/2/2009 at 3:51 PM Wallace Craig wrote: > >>Your article on "Texas drivers license requirements" does not square with >>Texas Transportation Codechapter 522 which at TRC 522.004 exempts >>fromCDL requirements "persons operating recreational vehicles for >>personal use".I realize that you got information from Beth Roberts at >>DPS whosaid that persons driving motorhomes in Texas need a class B CDL. >>I think you owe it to the many readers who rely upon you for accuracy the >>cost of a legal opinion from a qualified Texas attorney (other than me). >>As I poiinted out in my phone call, her opinion does not constitute >>binding legal precident which can only come from a decision by a court of >>competent jurisdiction. >> >>Wallace Craig >>95 WLWB 42 >>Azle, Texas >>FMCA 86944 > > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:WanderlodgeForum-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:WanderlodgeForum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/