86 PT38 for sale

[Fred Bellows]

Very nice write-up Scott. Another real good idea to do, that I've seen, is get a
hold of a camera with a wide angle lens and include several "establishing" shots
of the main living areas, as it makes it look really spacious and inviting. Best
of luck with your sale. We'll be sure to spread the word.


Fred Bellows
90SP
Queen Creek, AZ (basically Phx)
"Maunder Maximum"
http://picasaweb.google.com/geefred/MaunderMaximum#

[timvasqz]

Scott, no warrenty expressed or implied says it all why dont you start there.

If you believe strongly in your product, stand behind it. A good way to add
confidence to a sale is give buyers a second $10,000 repair warranty. This is
the first item you can reduce when a buyer negotiates the price down. Other
options with relativly the same risk are a second 5,000 warranty or second
$20,000 warranty

When you sold your FC the buyer lost two alts within a month that you installed
new prior to sale and you bragged on this forum that your TOS statment protected
you from making good on the failed product or improper install or new owners
operation of the alts.

Gregory O'Connor
94ptCa Romoland Ca

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@...>
wrote:
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[Scott Forman]

I am not sure who you are, but I do not recall "bragging" about anything like
that. I am also unaware that my buyer was unhappy, as he never relayed that
sentiment to me. The alternator on my FC was installed by the previous owner,
not by me, and it worked fine for me for the 2+ years I had the bus. I am sorry
if the purchaser had trouble but it certanly wasn't anything nefarious as you
seem to be suggesting.

These are 20 year old complex mechanical devices. I have purchased two of these
buses now, and I understand the risk involved with buying one and driving off in
it...I would think most other purchasers do as well. For instance, the PO of my
current bus certainly didn't share with me that the radiator was shot (new core:
$3500, plus labor), but I didn't call him to bitch about it and didn't send my
friends out to attack him on a message board. I should have paid more attention
to the radiator when I bought it.

I am also not clear exactly what you mean by a "second 10,000 warranty".
Frankly, I don't care. I have never seen anyone offer a warranty on a 23 year
old vehicle.

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
>
> Scott, no warrenty expressed or implied says it all why dont you start there.
>
> If you believe strongly in your product, stand behind it. A good way to add
confidence to a sale is give buyers a second $10,000 repair warranty. This is
the first item you can reduce when a buyer negotiates the price down. Other
options with relativly the same risk are a second 5,000 warranty or second
$20,000 warranty
>
> When you sold your FC the buyer lost two alts within a month that you
installed new prior to sale and you bragged on this forum that your TOS statment
protected you from making good on the failed product or improper install or new
owners operation of the alts.
>
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptCa Romoland Ca
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@>
wrote:
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[drw907]

Some things never change do they? How many sites are you still able to post on
Greg, where you have not been removed for cause?



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
>
> Scott, no warrenty expressed or implied says it all why dont you start there.
>
> If you believe strongly in your product, stand behind it. A good way to add
confidence to a sale is give buyers a second $10,000 repair warranty. This is
the first item you can reduce when a buyer negotiates the price down. Other
options with relativly the same risk are a second 5,000 warranty or second
$20,000 warranty
>
> When you sold your FC the buyer lost two alts within a month that you
installed new prior to sale and you bragged on this forum that your TOS statment
protected you from making good on the failed product or improper install or new
owners operation of the alts.
>
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptCa Romoland Ca
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <scottforman75@>
wrote:
> >
> >
>

[birdshill123]

Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in their right
mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used vehicle. I could see
buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can any one of us possibly
warranty an old vehicle?

Bruce

1988FC35

[timvasqz]

Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an stated
amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would bet
someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year warranty.
and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand. statements like no
warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time. warranties are implied when
you make a statement of condition and sell a product as fit for use.

an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you get of an
item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition are not binding
(if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about his/her product.

Gregory O'Connor
94ptCA
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
>
> Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in their
right mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used vehicle. I could
see buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can any one of us
possibly warranty an old vehicle?
>
> Bruce
>
> 1988FC35
>

[Bob Lawrence]

The problem I have with an after buying warranty is you don't know the new
owner. He could screw up the engine, tranny, etc. and then expect you to pay for
it up to the warranty amount.
So many bird owners, this was their first bird, and as we have seen over the
years on this forum, didn't know how to run this, fix that, etc.
This is our first and probably only bird. Never had one before. Huge learning
curve.
Before this we had a 26ft GMC.
I was sure of the mechanicals having replaced most stuff.
Gave the new owner a 30 day warrenty to fix anything that went south.
Called me in a couple of weeks stating the genset wouldn't start.
Had him take it in wherever and get it fixed and I would cover his cost. Bill
was a little over 200 bucks.
Sometimes you just can't replace ALL parts that could go wrong.
I would give a 30 day warranty, but that's it.
Any longer (say a year)and the guy could take a long trip and overheat the
engine, etc.
30 days seems right to me.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Los Fresnos, Texas (Leaving next week)

> Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an stated
amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would bet
someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year warranty.
and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand. statements like no
warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time. warranties are implied when
you make a statement of condition and sell a product as fit for use.
>
> an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you get of
an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition are not
binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about his/her
product.
>
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptCA

[jburgessx2]

I've never received a warranty of any kind when purchasing a used vehicle from a
private party - nor would I expect to. Also, I would never give one myself for
the stated reasons below. I sold my Beaver to buy my Bird. The PO of my Bird
didn't know certain things were wrong and I believed him. He disclosed other
issues and I accepted responsibility for them. I'm still fixing little problems
here and there and it's part of the deal of buying an older used vehicle. The
gentleman who bought my Beaver was happy to get it like it was (I gave him a
great deal). I disclosed every issue I was aware of and he accepted
responsibility. Plus, a few things cropped up after he bought it that were not
present when I sold it (to my knowledge). I was kind enough to go help him fix
a few things (my labor only) but that was purely out of the kindness of my heart
- he didn't expect to me and was very gracious when I offered to help. I was
not angry at the PO of my Bird when I discovered some things wrong - I think he
truly didn't know. I believe most people are honest an care - there are always
a few who give the rest a bad name.

A used vehicle is just that - used. A good inspection by a mechanic will
uncover many hidden problems and you can haggle the price from there.

Just my .02 cents worth.

Jerry
85 PT40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Lawrence"
wrote:
>
> The problem I have with an after buying warranty is you don't know the new
owner. He could screw up the engine, tranny, etc. and then expect you to pay for
it up to the warranty amount.
> So many bird owners, this was their first bird, and as we have seen over the
years on this forum, didn't know how to run this, fix that, etc.
> This is our first and probably only bird. Never had one before. Huge learning
curve.
> Before this we had a 26ft GMC.
> I was sure of the mechanicals having replaced most stuff.
> Gave the new owner a 30 day warrenty to fix anything that went south.
> Called me in a couple of weeks stating the genset wouldn't start.
> Had him take it in wherever and get it fixed and I would cover his cost. Bill
was a little over 200 bucks.
> Sometimes you just can't replace ALL parts that could go wrong.
> I would give a 30 day warranty, but that's it.
> Any longer (say a year)and the guy could take a long trip and overheat the
engine, etc.
> 30 days seems right to me.
> Bob Lawrence
> 84 PT36
> Los Fresnos, Texas (Leaving next week)
>
> > Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an stated
amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would bet
someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year warranty.
and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand. statements like no
warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time. warranties are implied when
you make a statement of condition and sell a product as fit for use.
> >
> > an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you get
of an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition are not
binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about his/her
product.
> >
> > Gregory O'Connor
> > 94ptCA
>

[Fred Bellows]

In my opinion, all extended warranty's are bad. They're just insurance. And all
insurance is bad. It's all just gambling. Anytime you buy ins you're just
betting against the house. The ins company knows what they're doing, they're not
stupid. It's a simple mathematical game of odds. They always win in the long
term. Have you ever seen an ins building? `Hundreds of millions of dollars, and
all paid for. Once you've paid your premiums, and then have a need, you have to
beg them to help you, only to find another little clause that exempts their
responsibilities again. It's always better to keep our money in the bank,
growing. Then have the money to fix what we want, when we want, how we want.
Just my 2 cents worth of a rant!

Fred Bellows
90SP Queen Creek, AZ (basically Phx)
"Maunder Maximum"
http://picasaweb.google.com/geefred/MaunderMaximum#

[Scott Forman]

I still miss your logic. If I sell a bus for 50k with a 10k "warranty", I get
40k at sale and he takes my bus, right? So let's say that a year goes by and
there is no trouble, how do I get my 10k? What guaranties to me that the buyer
is willing or even able topay the extra 10k when the time comes? And beyond
that, how do I know that the buyer takes care of maintenance and does not abuse
the bus? I see your idea as simply unrealistic. But feel free to do it when
you sell your bus some day.

Your little backhanded comments that are trying to cast doubt on my integrity
need to stop.

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "timvasqz" wrote:
>
> Bruce, do the math. its an agreement to cover the repair cost over an stated
amount, up to an stated amount for an stated period of time. I would bet
someone would buy a 86pt for $50grand with a second 10grand one year warranty.
and that same person would pass on a like 86pt for $35grand. statements like no
warrenty expressd or implied are a waste of time. warranties are implied when
you make a statement of condition and sell a product as fit for use.
>
> an 'as is where is statement' at an auction is all the description you get of
an item. use of these disclaimers after a disortation of condition are not
binding (if tried)and reveal the true opinion of the seller about his/her
product.
>
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptCA
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "birdshill123"
wrote:
> >
> > Is Greg's community one of those in Calif. with legal pot?? Who in their
right mind would offer some sort of personal warranty on a used vehicle. I could
see buying an aftermarket warranty for a buyer but how can any one of us
possibly warranty an old vehicle?
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > 1988FC35
> >
>