Explosive Post… Propane Grill

[Bill Garamella]

Explosive Post Propane Grill

I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304 stainless
infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on sale for just
under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great and is small enough to
fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast and cools off fast too and
temp is easy to control and cleans up nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its
beefy enough (pun intended).

The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine. Like
many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a high-pressure
regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator itself. I wanted to
get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just
thought it would be a simple thing to do.

I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do and
he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in making a
bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.

I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is the
safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the GRILL to
accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.

More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting sufficient
pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to me. Perhaps I'm
making a big deal out of something that is no big deal, but I ain't taking
chances with propane gas NO SIR!

With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q outlet
from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a low-pressure
regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently this is an industry
standard for large RV systems and the safest way to run a grill off a large
tank. This is similar to residential installations.

"Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it does
not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many of the
preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use 1/4"ID hose and
some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT (normal pipe thread)
outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to the volume of gas that can
be delivered through this small ID hose at a fixed low propane pressure of 6
ounces . What can you do? Use a low pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas
outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The amount of propane that can be delivered to
the appliance is increased by a factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your
appliance for propane are greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells
only 3/8" NPT outlet low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses
for this very reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas
Association approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of
propane gas."

http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html

So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to

• Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
• Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
• Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
• Install control valve between regulator and grill

If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and constructive
criticism are always welcome.

Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!

NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"

[brad barton]

Thanks, Bill. I have one of the weak electric pullout grills in my coach..and I was thinking about doing something different. If and when I do, your post will come in very handy.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: billgaramella@...
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:52:15 +0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Explosive Post… Propane Grill

Explosive Post… Propane Grill

I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304 stainless infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on sale for just under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great and is small enough to fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast and cools off fast too and temp is easy to control and cleans up nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its beefy enough (pun intended).

The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine. Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a high-pressure regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator itself. I wanted to get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just thought it would be a simple thing to do.

I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in making a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.

I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is the safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the GRILL to accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.

More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting sufficient pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to me. Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of something that is no big deal, but I ain't taking chances with propane gas NO SIR!

With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a low-pressure regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently this is an industry standard for large RV systems and the safest way to run a grill off a large tank. This is similar to residential installations.

"Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many of the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use 1/4"ID hose and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT (normal pipe thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to the volume of gas that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a fixed low propane pressure of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The amount of propane that can be delivered to the appliance is increased by a factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your appliance for propane are greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells only 3/8" NPT outlet low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses for this very reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas Association approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of propane gas."

http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/propaneregulatorfacts.html

So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to

• Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
• Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
• Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
• Install control valve between regulator and grill

If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and constructive criticism are always welcome.

Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!

NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"

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[freewill2008]

Bill - If your '83 propane system is set up the same as our 84, then the
regulator at the tank has an output pressure of 1 or 2 PSI. There is a second
regulator behind the fridge with 10.5" output. The system is plumbed that way
in order to flow enough propane (higher pressure = higher volume for a given
pipe size) to supply the 5 branch lines after the 10.5" regulator. The BB setup
is just like any other two-stage regulator except the two stages are many feet
apart instead of all being in the same casting.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella"
wrote:
>
> Explosive Post Propane Grill
>
> I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304 stainless
infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on sale for just
under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great and is small enough to
fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast and cools off fast too and
temp is easy to control and cleans up nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its
beefy enough (pun intended).
>
> The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine. Like
many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a high-pressure
regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator itself. I wanted to
get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just
thought it would be a simple thing to do.
>
> I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do and
he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in making a
bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
>
> I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is the
safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the GRILL to
accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
>
> More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting sufficient
pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to me. Perhaps I'm
making a big deal out of something that is no big deal, but I ain't taking
chances with propane gas NO SIR!
>
> With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q outlet
from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a low-pressure
regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently this is an industry
standard for large RV systems and the safest way to run a grill off a large
tank. This is similar to residential installations.
>
> "Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it does
not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many of the
preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use 1/4"ID hose and
some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT (normal pipe thread)
outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to the volume of gas that can
be delivered through this small ID hose at a fixed low propane pressure of 6
ounces . What can you do? Use a low pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas
outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The amount of propane that can be delivered to
the appliance is increased by a factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your
appliance for propane are greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells
only 3/8" NPT outlet low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses
for this very reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas
Association approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of
propane gas."
>
> http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
>
> So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
>
> • Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
> • Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
> • Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
> • Install control valve between regulator and grill
>
> If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and constructive
criticism are always welcome.
>
> Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
>
> NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
>

[timvasqz]

Bill that's the grill I use or a close China reproduction of it I got at Lowes.
I had an industrial hose shop (the Hoseman Riverside,CA) build the hose long
enough to move the grill to a bench 8 feet away from the bus. I got the fitting
to match the bus outlet from http://www.mbsturgis.com/ I am not sure your
configuration is the same. I use the regulator that came with the appliance
which I can continue to run off of a bottle if I want to place the grill more
remote to the bus.
I can shut off the gas at the fitting outlet prior to the appliance regulator
and the grill will burn for another 10 min at full tilt. if I dont burn it off
gas pressure, there is a big freeze as I let the pressure out during disconnect.
My problem with leaving the hooked up grill in the bay is there is no vent in
the floor for falling gas.
Greg
ofTim&Greg
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella"
wrote:
>
> Explosive Post Propane Grill
>
> I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304 stainless
infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on sale for just
under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great and is small enough to
fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast and cools off fast too and
temp is easy to control and cleans up nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its
beefy enough (pun intended).
>
> The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine. Like
many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a high-pressure
regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator itself. I wanted to
get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just
thought it would be a simple thing to do.
>
> I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do and
he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in making a
bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
>
> I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is the
safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the GRILL to
accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
>
> More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting sufficient
pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to me. Perhaps I'm
making a big deal out of something that is no big deal, but I ain't taking
chances with propane gas NO SIR!
>
> With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q outlet
from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a low-pressure
regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently this is an industry
standard for large RV systems and the safest way to run a grill off a large
tank. This is similar to residential installations.
>
> "Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it does
not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many of the
preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use 1/4"ID hose and
some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT (normal pipe thread)
outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to the volume of gas that can
be delivered through this small ID hose at a fixed low propane pressure of 6
ounces . What can you do? Use a low pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas
outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The amount of propane that can be delivered to
the appliance is increased by a factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your
appliance for propane are greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells
only 3/8" NPT outlet low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses
for this very reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas
Association approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of
propane gas."
>
> http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
>
> So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
>
> • Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
> • Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
> • Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
> • Install control valve between regulator and grill
>
> If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and constructive
criticism are always welcome.
>
> Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
>
> NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
>

[Bill Garamella]

Greg,

Based on my understanding of your description, it sounds like you have high
pressure coming off the coach to the high pressure regulator on the grill. Is
this so?

Or, did you install a low pressure regulator with a by pass and control unit to
accommodate low pressure line off the coach?

Again, my understanding about safety is that the line feeding the grill from the
propane system on the coach needs to be low pressure.

I really want to be clear about this before I start connecting a grill to my
coach's propane system.

The small bottles work great and provide another redundancy but take up a little
more room and cost per gallon of propane is much higher. I have no idea how long
one of those little bottles will burn. Do you?

Thanks Bill


>
> Bill that's the grill I use or a close China reproduction of it I got at
Lowes. I had an industrial hose shop (the Hoseman Riverside,CA) build the hose
long enough to move the grill to a bench 8 feet away from the bus. I got the
fitting to match the bus outlet from http://www.mbsturgis.com/ I am not sure
your configuration is the same. I use the regulator that came with the
appliance which I can continue to run off of a bottle if I want to place the
grill more remote to the bus.
> I can shut off the gas at the fitting outlet prior to the appliance regulator
and the grill will burn for another 10 min at full tilt. if I dont burn it off
gas pressure, there is a big freeze as I let the pressure out during disconnect.
> My problem with leaving the hooked up grill in the bay is there is no vent in
the floor for falling gas.
> Greg
> ofTim&Greg
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella"
wrote:
> >
> > Explosive Post Propane Grill
> >
> > I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304 stainless
infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on sale for just
under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great and is small enough to
fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast and cools off fast too and
temp is easy to control and cleans up nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its
beefy enough (pun intended).
> >
> > The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine.
Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a high-pressure
regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator itself. I wanted to
get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just
thought it would be a simple thing to do.
> >
> > I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do
and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in making
a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
> >
> > I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is the
safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the GRILL to
accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
> >
> > More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting sufficient
pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to me. Perhaps I'm
making a big deal out of something that is no big deal, but I ain't taking
chances with propane gas NO SIR!
> >
> > With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q
outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a low-pressure
regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently this is an industry
standard for large RV systems and the safest way to run a grill off a large
tank. This is similar to residential installations.
> >
> > "Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it
does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many of
the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use 1/4"ID hose
and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT (normal pipe
thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to the volume of gas
that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a fixed low propane pressure
of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas
outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The amount of propane that can be delivered to
the appliance is increased by a factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your
appliance for propane are greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells
only 3/8" NPT outlet low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses
for this very reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas
Association approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of
propane gas."
> >
> > http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
> >
> > So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
> >
> > • Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
> > • Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
> > • Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
> > • Install control valve between regulator and grill
> >
> > If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and constructive
criticism are always welcome.
> >
> > Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
> >
> > NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
> >
>

[timvasqz]

Bill it sounds like I do have high pressure to the outlet???? I am using the
same regulator at the grill that I screw onto a bottle. I found a fitting that
mimics a bottle and had that put on one end of a 8 foot hose and at the other
end I had a m/t pressed on the screwed on a sturgis fitting over that. when you
couple the sturgis (like an airline shop coupling) you must then throw a ball
valve lever to gate the gas and at the same time also lock the
fitting/coupling/connection secure. The more I think about the high pressure and
gas line safety, the better Jack in the box hamburgers taste.

Greg
ofTim&Greg 94ptCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella"
wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> Based on my understanding of your description, it sounds like you have high
pressure coming off the coach to the high pressure regulator on the grill. Is
this so?
>
> Or, did you install a low pressure regulator with a by pass and control unit
to accommodate low pressure line off the coach?
>
> Again, my understanding about safety is that the line feeding the grill from
the propane system on the coach needs to be low pressure.
>
> I really want to be clear about this before I start connecting a grill to my
coach's propane system.
>
> The small bottles work great and provide another redundancy but take up a
little more room and cost per gallon of propane is much higher. I have no idea
how long one of those little bottles will burn. Do you?
>
> Thanks Bill
>
>
> >
> > Bill that's the grill I use or a close China reproduction of it I got at
Lowes. I had an industrial hose shop (the Hoseman Riverside,CA) build the hose
long enough to move the grill to a bench 8 feet away from the bus. I got the
fitting to match the bus outlet from http://www.mbsturgis.com/ I am not sure
your configuration is the same. I use the regulator that came with the
appliance which I can continue to run off of a bottle if I want to place the
grill more remote to the bus.
> > I can shut off the gas at the fitting outlet prior to the appliance
regulator and the grill will burn for another 10 min at full tilt. if I dont
burn it off gas pressure, there is a big freeze as I let the pressure out
during disconnect.
> > My problem with leaving the hooked up grill in the bay is there is no vent
in the floor for falling gas.
> > Greg
> > ofTim&Greg
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella"
wrote:
> > >
> > > Explosive Post Propane Grill
> > >
> > > I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304
stainless infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on sale
for just under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great and is small
enough to fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast and cools off fast
too and temp is easy to control and cleans up nicely. Although its not heavy
duty, its beefy enough (pun intended).
> > >
> > > The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine.
Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a high-pressure
regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator itself. I wanted to
get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just
thought it would be a simple thing to do.
> > >
> > > I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do
and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in making
a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
> > >
> > > I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is the
safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the GRILL to
accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
> > >
> > > More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting sufficient
pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to me. Perhaps I'm
making a big deal out of something that is no big deal, but I ain't taking
chances with propane gas NO SIR!
> > >
> > > With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q
outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a low-pressure
regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently this is an industry
standard for large RV systems and the safest way to run a grill off a large
tank. This is similar to residential installations.
> > >
> > > "Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it
does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many of
the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use 1/4"ID hose
and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT (normal pipe
thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to the volume of gas
that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a fixed low propane pressure
of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas
outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The amount of propane that can be delivered to
the appliance is increased by a factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your
appliance for propane are greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells
only 3/8" NPT outlet low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses
for this very reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas
Association approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of
propane gas."
> > >
> > > http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
> > >
> > > So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
> > >
> > > • Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
> > > • Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
> > > • Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
> > > • Install control valve between regulator and grill
> > >
> > > If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and
constructive criticism are always welcome.
> > >
> > > Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
> > >
> > > NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
> > >
> >
>

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Hi All:

The regulator is responsible for reducing the container’s variable high
pressure that
is created by the “boiling” of propane liquid to a low pressure usable by
the individual
appliances.
To ensure that the propane system has the correct working pressure,
regulators are
required. The primary system regulator, located at the container(s), is
required to be a
two-stage regulator. This two-stage regulator can be an individual device
that incorpo-rates
both regulators, or two separate components.
The first-stage regulator reduces container pressure to about 10 psig. The
second-stage
regulator reduces the 10 psig to a little over 6 ounces of pressure (10 to
14 inches
water column).

Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
and should be ready for use. A manometer will check the proper inches of
water column, which is 11 inches of WC with 1/2 to 3/4 of LP appliances
being in use.

If a new line is added or an old one plugged be sure to use the approved
"yellow" teflon tape for LP. And always be sure to do a leak check after.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 12:52 PM 5/23/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>Explosive Post Propane Grill
>
>I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304
>stainless infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on
>sale for just under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great
>and is small enough to fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast
>and cools off fast too and temp is easy to control and cleans up
>nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its beefy enough (pun intended).
>
>The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine.
>Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a
>high-pressure regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator
>itself. I wanted to get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's
>dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just thought it would be a simple thing to do.
>
>I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do
>and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in
>making a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
>
>I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
>specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is
>the safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the
>GRILL to accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
>
>More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
>propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting
>sufficient pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to
>me. Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of something that is no big deal,
>but I ain't taking chances with propane gas NO SIR!
>
>With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q
>outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a
>low-pressure regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently
>this is an industry standard for large RV systems and the safest way to
>run a grill off a large tank. This is similar to residential installations.
>
>"Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it
>does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many
>of the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use
>1/4"ID hose and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT
>(normal pipe thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to
>the volume of gas that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a
>fixed low propane pressure of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low
>pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The
>amount of propane that can be delivered to the appliance is increased by a
>factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your appliance for propane are
>greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells only 3/8" NPT outlet
>low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses for this very
>reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas Association
>approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of propane gas."
>
>http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
>
>So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
>
>• Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
>• Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
>• Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
>• Install control valve between regulator and grill
>
>If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and
>constructive criticism are always welcome.
>
>Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
>
>NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
>
>



>

[thomas_sorrentino]

Hi Ralph,

You said,

Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
and should be ready for use.

This all makes sense. I think where I ran into problems and got confused is
this. It seems to me that all the small portable BBQ's that you buy are designed
to work off the portable propane bottles. It also seems that have the built into
them the Primary and Secondary regulator. If you try to work them off the the
stock BBQ line from the bus, I could never get a good flame. So I think NH
Bill's original question is how do we modify the new BBQ's that they will be
safe and still work off of the OEM BBQ grill line?

Tom Sorrentino
1987 PT 38
Bedford Hills, NY


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
> The regulator is responsible for reducing the container's variable high
> pressure that
> is created by the "boiling" of propane liquid to a low pressure usable by
> the individual
> appliances.
> To ensure that the propane system has the correct working pressure,
> regulators are
> required. The primary system regulator, located at the container(s), is
> required to be a
> two-stage regulator. This two-stage regulator can be an individual device
> that incorpo-rates
> both regulators, or two separate components.
> The first-stage regulator reduces container pressure to about 10 psig. The
> second-stage
> regulator reduces the 10 psig to a little over 6 ounces of pressure (10 to
> 14 inches
> water column).
>
> Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
> as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
> the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
> and should be ready for use. A manometer will check the proper inches of
> water column, which is 11 inches of WC with 1/2 to 3/4 of LP appliances
> being in use.
>
> If a new line is added or an old one plugged be sure to use the approved
> "yellow" teflon tape for LP. And always be sure to do a leak check after.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 12:52 PM 5/23/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> >Explosive Post Propane Grill
> >
> >I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304
> >stainless infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on
> >sale for just under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great
> >and is small enough to fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast
> >and cools off fast too and temp is easy to control and cleans up
> >nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its beefy enough (pun intended).
> >
> >The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine.
> >Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a
> >high-pressure regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator
> >itself. I wanted to get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's
> >dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just thought it would be a simple thing to do.
> >
> >I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do
> >and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in
> >making a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
> >
> >I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
> >specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is
> >the safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the
> >GRILL to accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
> >
> >More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
> >propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting
> >sufficient pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to
> >me. Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of something that is no big deal,
> >but I ain't taking chances with propane gas NO SIR!
> >
> >With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q
> >outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a
> >low-pressure regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently
> >this is an industry standard for large RV systems and the safest way to
> >run a grill off a large tank. This is similar to residential installations.
> >
> >"Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it
> >does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many
> >of the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use
> >1/4"ID hose and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT
> >(normal pipe thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to
> >the volume of gas that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a
> >fixed low propane pressure of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low
> >pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The
> >amount of propane that can be delivered to the appliance is increased by a
> >factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your appliance for propane are
> >greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells only 3/8" NPT outlet
> >low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses for this very
> >reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas Association
> >approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of propane
gas."
> >
> >http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
> >
> >So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
> >
> >• Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
> >• Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
> >• Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
> >• Install control valve between regulator and grill
> >
> >If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and
> >constructive criticism are always welcome.
> >
> >Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
> >
> >NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
> >
> >
>
>
>
> >
>

[Stephen Birtles]

Get a low pressure regulator for the bbq

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "thomas_sorrentino"
wrote:
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> You said,
>
> Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
> as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
> the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
> and should be ready for use.
>
> This all makes sense. I think where I ran into problems and got confused is
this. It seems to me that all the small portable BBQ's that you buy are designed
to work off the portable propane bottles. It also seems that have the built into
them the Primary and Secondary regulator. If you try to work them off the the
stock BBQ line from the bus, I could never get a good flame. So I think NH
Bill's original question is how do we modify the new BBQ's that they will be
safe and still work off of the OEM BBQ grill line?
>
> Tom Sorrentino
> 1987 PT 38
> Bedford Hills, NY
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > The regulator is responsible for reducing the container's variable high
> > pressure that
> > is created by the "boiling" of propane liquid to a low pressure usable by
> > the individual
> > appliances.
> > To ensure that the propane system has the correct working pressure,
> > regulators are
> > required. The primary system regulator, located at the container(s), is
> > required to be a
> > two-stage regulator. This two-stage regulator can be an individual device
> > that incorpo-rates
> > both regulators, or two separate components.
> > The first-stage regulator reduces container pressure to about 10 psig. The
> > second-stage
> > regulator reduces the 10 psig to a little over 6 ounces of pressure (10 to
> > 14 inches
> > water column).
> >
> > Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
> > as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
> > the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
> > and should be ready for use. A manometer will check the proper inches of
> > water column, which is 11 inches of WC with 1/2 to 3/4 of LP appliances
> > being in use.
> >
> > If a new line is added or an old one plugged be sure to use the approved
> > "yellow" teflon tape for LP. And always be sure to do a leak check after.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 12:52 PM 5/23/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Explosive Post Propane Grill
> > >
> > >I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304
> > >stainless infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on
> > >sale for just under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great
> > >and is small enough to fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot fast
> > >and cools off fast too and temp is easy to control and cleans up
> > >nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its beefy enough (pun intended).
> > >
> > >The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine.
> > >Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a
> > >high-pressure regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator
> > >itself. I wanted to get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's
> > >dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just thought it would be a simple thing to do.
> > >
> > >I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted to do
> > >and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in
> > >making a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
> > >
> > >I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
> > >specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is
> > >the safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the
> > >GRILL to accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
> > >
> > >More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
> > >propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting
> > >sufficient pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to
> > >me. Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of something that is no big deal,
> > >but I ain't taking chances with propane gas NO SIR!
> > >
> > >With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q
> > >outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a
> > >low-pressure regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently
> > >this is an industry standard for large RV systems and the safest way to
> > >run a grill off a large tank. This is similar to residential installations.
> > >
> > >"Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it
> > >does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, many
> > >of the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use
> > >1/4"ID hose and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT
> > >(normal pipe thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a limit to
> > >the volume of gas that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a
> > >fixed low propane pressure of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low
> > >pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas outlet and a gas hose of 3/8"ID. The
> > >amount of propane that can be delivered to the appliance is increased by a
> > >factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your appliance for propane are
> > >greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells only 3/8" NPT outlet
> > >low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses for this very
> > >reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas Association
> > >approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of propane
gas."
> > >
> > >http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
> > >
> > >So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
> > >
> > >• Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
> > >• Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
> > >• Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
> > >• Install control valve between regulator and grill
> > >
> > >If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and
> > >constructive criticism are always welcome.
> > >
> > >Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
> > >
> > >NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Hi Tom:

I have had to have LP hoses made up to connect the Coach quick connect to a
grill. I change the grill in put piping by removing the "bottle" regulator,
installing a valve, (simple T handle shut off type,) I use the new T handle
valve to regulate the flame in the grill, Low/Medium/High. The other end of
the hose is connected to the male end of the quick connect. Easy enough to
do and can be done safely. Remember to check the LP at the grill for leaks
with the T handle valve in the off position. Oh there is also a huge shut
off valve on most Birds for the grill regulator that may need to be opened.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 02:20 AM 5/26/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Ralph,
>
>You said,
>
>Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
>as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
>the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
>and should be ready for use.
>
>This all makes sense. I think where I ran into problems and got confused
>is this. It seems to me that all the small portable BBQ's that you buy are
>designed to work off the portable propane bottles. It also seems that have
>the built into them the Primary and Secondary regulator. If you try to
>work them off the the stock BBQ line from the bus, I could never get a
>good flame. So I think NH Bill's original question is how do we modify the
>new BBQ's that they will be safe and still work off of the OEM BBQ grill line?
>
>Tom Sorrentino
>1987 PT 38
>Bedford Hills, NY
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All:
> >
> > The regulator is responsible for reducing the container's variable high
> > pressure that
> > is created by the "boiling" of propane liquid to a low pressure usable by
> > the individual
> > appliances.
> > To ensure that the propane system has the correct working pressure,
> > regulators are
> > required. The primary system regulator, located at the container(s), is
> > required to be a
> > two-stage regulator. This two-stage regulator can be an individual device
> > that incorpo-rates
> > both regulators, or two separate components.
> > The first-stage regulator reduces container pressure to about 10 psig. The
> > second-stage
> > regulator reduces the 10 psig to a little over 6 ounces of pressure (10 to
> > 14 inches
> > water column).
> >
> > Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such
> > as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So
> > the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator
> > and should be ready for use. A manometer will check the proper inches of
> > water column, which is 11 inches of WC with 1/2 to 3/4 of LP appliances
> > being in use.
> >
> > If a new line is added or an old one plugged be sure to use the approved
> > "yellow" teflon tape for LP. And always be sure to do a leak check after.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 12:52 PM 5/23/2009 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Explosive Post Propane Grill
> > >
> > >I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304
> > >stainless infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on
> > >sale for just under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great
> > >and is small enough to fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot
> fast
> > >and cools off fast too and temp is easy to control and cleans up
> > >nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its beefy enough (pun intended).
> > >
> > >The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine.
> > >Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a
> > >high-pressure regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator
> > >itself. I wanted to get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's
> > >dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just thought it would be a simple thing to do.
> > >
> > >I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted
> to do
> > >and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in
> > >making a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man.
> > >
> > >I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane
> > >specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is
> > >the safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the
> > >GRILL to accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around.
> > >
> > >More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's
> > >propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting
> > >sufficient pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to
> > >me. Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of something that is no big deal,
> > >but I ain't taking chances with propane gas NO SIR!
> > >
> > >With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q
> > >outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a
> > >low-pressure regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently
> > >this is an industry standard for large RV systems and the safest way to
> > >run a grill off a large tank. This is similar to residential
> installations.
> > >
> > >"Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it
> > >does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately,
> many
> > >of the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use
> > >1/4"ID hose and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT
> > >(normal pipe thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a
> limit to
> > >the volume of gas that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a
> > >fixed low propane pressure of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low
> > >pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas outlet and a gas hose of
> 3/8"ID. The
> > >amount of propane that can be delivered to the appliance is increased
> by a
> > >factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your appliance for propane are
> > >greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells only 3/8" NPT outlet
> > >low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses for this very
> > >reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas Association
> > >approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of
> propane gas."
> > >
> > >http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/pro...facts.html
> > >
> > >So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to
> > >
> > >• Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill
> > >• Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID
> > >• Low pressure hose 3/8" ID
> > >• Install control valve between regulator and grill
> > >
> > >If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and
> > >constructive criticism are always welcome.
> > >
> > >Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day!
> > >
> > >NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
84FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma