Help!--replacing speedometer/odometer
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08-30-2010, 14:17
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Help!--replacing speedometer/odometer
Hi, folks--
Working with a good auto mechanic, we are trying to replace our speedometer/odometer. We believe the original instrument was a Teleflex (because we determined the rest of the original dashboard instruments are that) that was at some point replaced by a Motorola instrument, which no longer works.
Now we have gone back to a Teleflex, butthe devicecame with no documentation whatsoever for hook-up, calibrating, etc. (I am not mentioning dealer names just yet).We were told by the dealer that it's a "trial-by-error" thing. The mechanic figured out the basic hook-up. However,with regard to setting the 9 calibrating switches on the device, after a couple of hours of going around and around the block with the mechanic stopping and making adjustment after adjustment (e.g., because the devicewas reading 70mph whenthe coach was going 20 mph, for example), we realized the maddening absurdity of the situation because the number of combinations of those 9 switches is endless. Because we are good customers, the mechanic kindly agreed not to charge us for all this needless waste of time.
We are hoping someone out there might might know the exact combination of those 9 switches specifically for an '83 FC 35' RB Blue Bird Wanderlodge.
Thanks so much in advance for any help!
Jo-ski (also forStew)
"The Bird Abides"
'83 FC 35' RB
Blaine, WA
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08-31-2010, 02:04
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Jo-Ski:
Here is Teleflex instructions for setting the dip switches. Marv 2004 M380 Ocean Shores, WA --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jo-Ski" > > Hi, folks-- > > Working with a good auto mechanic, we are trying to replace our speedometer/odometer. We believe the original instrument was a Teleflex (because we determined the rest of the original dashboard instruments are that) that was at some point replaced by a Motorola instrument, which no longer works. > > Now we have gone back to a Teleflex, but the device came with no documentation whatsoever for hook-up, calibrating, etc. (I am not mentioning dealer names just yet). We were told by the dealer that it's a "trial-by-error" thing. The mechanic figured out the basic hook-up. However, with regard to setting the 9 calibrating switches on the device, after a couple of hours of going around and around the block with the mechanic stopping and making adjustment after adjustment (e.g., because the device was reading 70 mph when the coach was going 20 mph, for example), we realized the maddening absurdity of the situation because the number of combinations of those 9 switches is endless. Because we are good customers, the mechanic kindly agreed not to charge us for all this needless waste of time. > > We are hoping someone out there might might know the exact combination of those 9 switches specifically for an '83 FC 35' RB Blue Bird Wanderlodge. > > Thanks so much in advance for any help! > > Jo-ski (also for Stew) > "The Bird Abides" > '83 FC 35' RB > Blaine, WA > |
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08-31-2010, 03:43
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Help!--replacing speedometer/odometer
Marv--did not actually get the instructions for setting the dip switches. Can't find them anywhere in your return reply or as an attachment.
???
Could you please re-send? We are so, sodesperate for this information!
Thank you so much!
Jo-ski
From: "marvwheeler@nwlink.com" Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:04 AM
To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Help!--replacing speedometer/odometer Jo-Ski: Here is Teleflex instructions for setting the dip switches. Marv 2004 M380 Ocean Shores, WA --- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", "Jo-Ski" > > Hi, folks-- > > Working with a good auto mechanic, we are trying to replace our speedometer/odometer. We believe the original instrument was a Teleflex (because we determined the rest of the original dashboard instruments are that) that was at some point replaced by a Motorola instrument, which no longer works. > > Now we have gone back to a Teleflex, but the device came with no documentation whatsoever for hook-up, calibrating, etc. (I am not mentioning dealer names just yet). We were told by the dealer that it's a "trial-by-error" thing. The mechanic figured out the basic hook-up. However, with regard to setting the 9 calibrating switches on the device, after a couple of hours of going around and around the block with the mechanic stopping and making adjustment after adjustment (e.g., because the device was reading 70 mph when the coach was going 20 mph, for example), we realized the maddening absurdity of the situation because the number of combinations of those 9 switches is endless. Because we are good customers, the mechanic kindly agreed not to charge us for all this needless waste of time. > > We are hoping someone out there might might know the exact combination of those 9 switches specifically for an '83 FC 35' RB Blue Bird Wanderlodge. > > Thanks so much in advance for any help! > > Jo-ski (also for Stew) > "The Bird Abides" > '83 FC 35' RB > Blaine, WA > |
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08-31-2010, 05:39
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Hi Jo,
Here is a link to a Teleflex customer service line. I know it says Teleflex Marine but it is a place to start. I hope they can email you the directions for your model number of speedometer. I think they should be able to point you to where you can get it at least and the number is toll free! There is probably a PDF manual file they can send. Go here http://www.teleflexmarine.com/support/te...l-support/ Good luck! Gary On 30 August 2010 19:17, Jo-Ski <"josl@nas.com"> wrote:
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08-31-2010, 05:41
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Jo
I also just found this page try it and see if your gauge is listed: http://www.teleflexmarine.com/category/m...on-guides/ Gary On 31 August 2010 10:39, G Boyd <"gboyd007@gmail.com"> wrote:
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08-31-2010, 08:34
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Help!--replacing speedometer/odometer
Maybe this is it:
PROGRAMMABLE VEHICLE SPEEDOMETERS http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=we...%2Fww\ w.v3instruments.com%2Findustrial_instruction_sheets%2Fprogrammable_speedo_odo.pd\ f&rct=j&q=Teleflex%20instructions%20for%20setting%20the%20dip%20switch&ei=_2V9TJ\ n3EYGClAeeiZnrCw&usg=AFQjCNGmJKxfiHZFAxAAM3_g6Cv4FSR_SQ&sig2=xpIJXeBlPihYYRtY_oW\ 00w&cad=rja --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jo-Ski" > > Marv--did not actually get the instructions for setting the dip switches. Can't find them anywhere in your return reply or as an attachment. > > ??? > > Could you please re-send? We are so, so desperate for this information! > > Thank you so much! > > Jo-ski > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: marvjeanm380 > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:04 AM > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Help!--replacing speedometer/odometer > > > > Jo-Ski: > > Here is Teleflex instructions for setting the dip switches. > > Marv > 2004 M380 > Ocean Shores, WA > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jo-Ski" > > > > Hi, folks-- > > > > Working with a good auto mechanic, we are trying to replace our speedometer/odometer. We believe the original instrument was a Teleflex (because we determined the rest of the original dashboard instruments are that) that was at some point replaced by a Motorola instrument, which no longer works. > > > > Now we have gone back to a Teleflex, but the device came with no documentation whatsoever for hook-up, calibrating, etc. (I am not mentioning dealer names just yet). We were told by the dealer that it's a "trial-by-error" thing. The mechanic figured out the basic hook-up. However, with regard to setting the 9 calibrating switches on the device, after a couple of hours of going around and around the block with the mechanic stopping and making adjustment after adjustment (e.g., because the device was reading 70 mph when the coach was going 20 mph, for example), we realized the maddening absurdity of the situation because the number of combinations of those 9 switches is endless. Because we are good customers, the mechanic kindly agreed not to charge us for all this needless waste of time. > > > > We are hoping someone out there might might know the exact combination of those 9 switches specifically for an '83 FC 35' RB Blue Bird Wanderlodge. > > > > Thanks so much in advance for any help! > > > > Jo-ski (also for Stew) > > "The Bird Abides" > > '83 FC 35' RB > > Blaine, WA > > > |
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08-31-2010, 13:43
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I am the offending dealer and I did not say that it was trail by error
I stated that there was NO documentation I stated this when I was asked if I had any wanderldoge nos Gauges for sale and I stated this whne the customer phoned I also Stated how I received the Gauges About 299 Gauges in a rather Large Garbage bag. They were the contained in a file cabinet which I purchased at the Bluebird Auction. The file cabinet also did not have any documentation in it. If you are not happy with the sale simply return the speedometer Money Cheerfully refunded But Wait I have not Received payment for the speedometer yet So just return the speedometer Stephen Birtles Dupree Products --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, G Boyd > > Hi Jo, > > > Here is a link to a Teleflex customer service line. I know it says Teleflex > Marine but it is a place to start. I hope they can email you the directions > for your model number of speedometer. I think they should be able to point > you to where you can get it at least and the number is toll free! There is > probably a PDF manual file they can send. > > Go here http://www.teleflexmarine.com/support/te...l-support/ > > Good luck! > Gary > > On 30 August 2010 19:17, Jo-Ski > > > > > > > Hi, folks-- > > > > Working with a good auto mechanic, we are trying to replace our > > speedometer/odometer. We believe the original instrument was a Teleflex > > (because we determined the rest of the original dashboard instruments are > > that) that was at some point replaced by a Motorola instrument, which no > > longer works. > > > > Now we have gone back to a Teleflex, but the device came with no > > documentation whatsoever for hook-up, calibrating, etc. (I am not mentioning > > dealer names just yet). We were told by the dealer that it's a > > "trial-by-error" thing. The mechanic figured out the basic hook-up. > > However, with regard to setting the 9 calibrating switches on the device, > > after a couple of hours of going around and around the block with the > > mechanic stopping and making adjustment after adjustment (e.g., because the > > device was reading 70 mph when the coach was going 20 mph, for example), we > > realized the maddening absurdity of the situation because the number of > > combinations of those 9 switches is endless. Because we are good customers, > > the mechanic kindly agreed not to charge us for all this needless waste of > > time. > > > > We are hoping someone out there might might know the exact combination of > > those 9 switches specifically for an '83 FC 35' RB Blue Bird Wanderlodge. > > > > Thanks so much in advance for any help! > > > > Jo-ski (also for Stew) > > "The Bird Abides" > > '83 FC 35' RB > > Blaine, WA > > > > > |
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08-31-2010, 18:35
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Help!--replacing speedometer/odometer
Stephen Birtles wrote:
>I am the offending dealer and I did not say that it was trail by error
>I stated that there was NO documentation I stated this when I was asked if I had any wanderldoge nos Gauges for sale and I stated this whne the customer >phoned I also Stated how I received the Gauges >About 299 Gauges in a rather Large Garbage bag. They were the contained in a file cabinet which I purchased at the Bluebird Auction. The file cabinet also did >not have any documentation in it. If you are not happy with the sale simply return the speedometer Money Cheerfully refunded >But Wait I have not Received payment for the speedometer yet >So just return the speedometer Jo-ski writes: First, our main concern: PLEASE, PLEASE, DOES ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE THE 9-DIP-SWITCH SETTINGS FOR CALIBRATING A TELEFLEX SPEEDOMETER/ODOMETER FOR AN '83 FC 35' RB BLUE BIRD WANDERLODGE?
Now to respond to Stephen: Please, we are not trying to set off a firestorm or tarnish any reputations here, but we feel we need to set the record straight and perhaps bring something positive out of this situation.
With all due respect, Stephen, while we thank you for coming forward, we did not mention youor your dealership by name to this forum about this matter.
And, yes,when we ordered the gauge, you explained that there was no documentation,but both of us distinctly remember you saying that setting it up was by "trial-and-error." Stew thought, by that, you meant connecting the 4 wires up. You said nothing about there being 9 dip switches to set for the calibration. So, no, at that point, we did not know about those 9 dip switches, and of course, you yourself must understand that setting those switches to the "magic combination" for a given coachcould beone out of thousands of possible combinations and permutations with that many switches (for heaven's sake, "trial-and-error" could conceivably take up the rest of our lifetimes).
And, no, you actually did not explain about how you purchased the gauges until Stew called you a second time--right in the middle of a +6-hour session with the mechanic, trying to get the gauge to work properly (as I mentioned, for example, it would read 70 mph when the coach was actually doing 20 mph, as monitored by GPS). You were at the dentist, and suggested they go out to the Teleflex Website, where they would "find all the information," which they did not find. They finally called Teleflex tech support, and the tech support guy explained that they no longer make this gauge, but he remembered it, and could fax out a 4-or-5-page handout that at least explained something about it--e.g., the existence of the 9 switches. That entailedhunting foranearby Kinko's or mailbox-type place where they could receive the fax--again, right in the middle of this+6-hour session with the mechanic around and around the block in "trial-and-error" mode. . .
OK, Stephen, here'sone positive outcome of this situation: to do right by any future customers, you could, at the very least, call Teleflex yourself, secure a master copy/fax of that 4-or-5 page handout from Teleflex, and include a photocopy of it with any of thoseother 298gauges you sell in the future. That would bea service to your customers, along with explaining this 9-dip-switch situation up front to them, don't you think?
Unfortunately, the handout still does not give the magic combination of the 9 dip switches for a given coach. Hence, we are hoping, please, that someone out there will respond to our initial plea above. Barring that, Stew is still willing to go the extra mile by going through what sounds like anelaborate kabuki of crawling under the coach, counting the number of notches on something for odometer-related purposes, getting tire sizes, and supplying a whole host of other measurements and specifications to Teleflex,--and maybe, maybe--Teleflexwill be able toprovide the settings.
If that doesn't work, we will return the gauge. If it does work, we will gladly share thishard-won information with other Blue Birders, including Stephen (something that might boost the sale of the other 298 gauges?) because wesincerely wish Stephen all the bestwith his business.
There. . .another possible positive outcometo the situation. . .don't you think?
Respectfully,
Jo-ski and Stew
"The Bird Abides"
'83 FC 35' RB
Blaine, WA
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08-31-2010, 22:10
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Help!--replacing speedometer/odometer
If there are 9 switches each with 2 positions, then the total number of combinations is 2^9, or 512.
Some or all of the switches are probably used to represent a binary number in the range 0 to 511. Â (or a smaller max if some of the switches are used for other things)
Are the switches all in one block? Â Do they have any markings or numbering? Â While it's certainly not trivial, it actually might be possible to arrive at correct settings by a slightly improved "trial, measure error, calculate new trial setting, repeat" method.
Regards, Dorn Hetzel 77FC35 Hogansville, GA
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Jo-Ski <"josl@nas.com"> wrote:
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09-01-2010, 02:22
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Dorn, I might add that one could use a "binary search" to find the correct value and that if there are 9 switches (labled sw1 thru sw9), then ONLY 9 trials are required. A trial and error approach is feasible. Jo-Ski, From the documentation posted earlier it appears that sw9 is the high order bit. Start by setting this bit to "ON". One of two outcomes can present themselves: 1) if the speedometer reads high: then set sw9 to "OFF" and set sw8 to (ON) (that is, divide by 2), or  2) if the speedometer reads low: then leave sw9 "ON" and set sw8 to "ON". At this point one of two outcomes can present themselves: 1) if the speedometer reads high: then set sw8 to "OFF" and set sw7 to (ON) (that is, divide by 2), or  2) if the speedometer reads low: then leave sw8 "ON" and set sw7 to "ON". Continue this process until you get to sw1, at which point you're done and the speedometer is dialed in. Caveat, since the information is Binary Coded by Teleflex, you may throw a switch and see no outcome change. This simply means that some combinations are not used. Don't worry about this, just progress to the next switch as outlined in the algorithm above.  Basically you're doing a binary search. We've all done this many times when we play "what number am I thinking of between 0 and 100". The guesser starts at 50 (devide by two), the answer is low or high. If low, the guesser says 75. The answer is low, so the guesser says 88, etc until the answer is arrived at. This is a binary search. Have Fun! David Brady '02 LXi, NC On 9/1/2010 6:10 AM, Dorn Hetzel wrote:  |
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