Excessive oil useage.

[Tom Warner]

Bill you need to sign your name and year and model coach etc so everyone
knows what we are talking about. On my 1982 there is NO breather tube
coming from the engine of any kind. But give me the year and model of your
coach then we can go from there.

tom
1982 FC35 SB
Vernon Center,NY

At 01:55 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Thanks for your time Tom,
> There are no leaks that I can see. It does blow some blue smoke
>when the engine is revved up after starting but only on the way up
>the rpm range. There is a ~ 1" breather? hose below the engine that
>blows oil vapor when the engine is hot.
>
>several seconds In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> wrote:
> > How about some more information first. Are you leaking oil
>anyplace, rear
> > main seal, valve covers, positive crankcase vent on the valve
>covers?
> >
> > tom
> > 1982 FC35
> > Vernon Center,NY
> >
> > At 07:06 PM 7/5/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a Cat 3208 with
>87k
> > >on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900 miles).
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[williamcharrison]

'90 sp36

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> Bill you need to sign your name and year and model coach etc so
everyone
> knows what we are talking about. On my 1982 there is NO breather
tube
> coming from the engine of any kind. But give me the year and model
of your
> coach then we can go from there.
>
> tom
> 1982 FC35 SB
> Vernon Center,NY
>
> At 01:55 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> >Thanks for your time Tom,
> > There are no leaks that I can see. It does blow some blue
smoke
> >when the engine is revved up after starting but only on the way up
> >the rpm range. There is a ~ 1" breather? hose below the engine
that
> >blows oil vapor when the engine is hot.
> >
> >several seconds In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > wrote:
> > > How about some more information first. Are you leaking oil
> >anyplace, rear
> > > main seal, valve covers, positive crankcase vent on the valve
> >covers?
> > >
> > > tom
> > > 1982 FC35
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > >
> > > At 07:06 PM 7/5/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a Cat 3208
with
> >87k
> > > >on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900 miles).
> > > >
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[Tom Warner]

I am not familiar specifically with the SP36 but there are a couple of
others on the forum including Fred Keister that are. But I am still not
aware of any breathing tube on a Cat 3208.

tom
1982 Fc35
Vernon Center,NY

At 07:43 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>'90 sp36
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
>wrote:
> > Bill you need to sign your name and year and model coach etc so
>everyone
> > knows what we are talking about. On my 1982 there is NO breather
>tube
> > coming from the engine of any kind. But give me the year and model
>of your
> > coach then we can go from there.
> >
> > tom
> > 1982 FC35 SB
> > Vernon Center,NY
> >
> > At 01:55 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Thanks for your time Tom,
> > > There are no leaks that I can see. It does blow some blue
>smoke
> > >when the engine is revved up after starting but only on the way up
> > >the rpm range. There is a ~ 1" breather? hose below the engine
>that
> > >blows oil vapor when the engine is hot.
> > >
> > >several seconds In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> > > wrote:
> > > > How about some more information first. Are you leaking oil
> > >anyplace, rear
> > > > main seal, valve covers, positive crankcase vent on the valve
> > >covers?
> > > >
> > > > tom
> > > > 1982 FC35
> > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > >
> > > > At 07:06 PM 7/5/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a Cat 3208
>with
> > >87k
> > > > >on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900 miles).
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[pattypape]

Yep, we have a breather right off the valve cover for crank case
ventilation. At least a one inch extention pipe routed to below the
oil pan.

Bill 88 FC
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> I am not familiar specifically with the SP36 but there are a
couple of
> others on the forum including Fred Keister that are. But I am
still not
> aware of any breathing tube on a Cat 3208.
>
> tom
> 1982 Fc35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
> At 07:43 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> >'90 sp36
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner

> >wrote:
> > > Bill you need to sign your name and year and model coach etc so
> >everyone
> > > knows what we are talking about. On my 1982 there is NO
breather
> >tube
> > > coming from the engine of any kind. But give me the year and
model
> >of your
> > > coach then we can go from there.
> > >
> > > tom
> > > 1982 FC35 SB
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > >
> > > At 01:55 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Thanks for your time Tom,
> > > > There are no leaks that I can see. It does blow some blue
> >smoke
> > > >when the engine is revved up after starting but only on the
way up
> > > >the rpm range. There is a ~ 1" breather? hose below the
engine
> >that
> > > >blows oil vapor when the engine is hot.
> > > >
> > > >several seconds In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom
Warner
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > How about some more information first. Are you leaking oil
> > > >anyplace, rear
> > > > > main seal, valve covers, positive crankcase vent on the
valve
> > > >covers?
> > > > >
> > > > > tom
> > > > > 1982 FC35
> > > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > >
> > > > > At 07:06 PM 7/5/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > >Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a Cat
3208
> >with
> > > >87k
> > > > > >on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900
miles).
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[Tom Warner]

Did this take the place of the positive crankcase vent on other cat 3208's?

tom
1982 Fc35
Vernon Center,NY

At 10:15 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Yep, we have a breather right off the valve cover for crank case
>ventilation. At least a one inch extention pipe routed to below the
>oil pan.
>
>Bill 88 FC
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
>wrote:
> > I am not familiar specifically with the SP36 but there are a
>couple of
> > others on the forum including Fred Keister that are. But I am
>still not
> > aware of any breathing tube on a Cat 3208.
> >
> > tom
> > 1982 Fc35
> > Vernon Center,NY
> >
> > At 07:43 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > >'90 sp36
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
>
> > >wrote:
> > > > Bill you need to sign your name and year and model coach etc so
> > >everyone
> > > > knows what we are talking about. On my 1982 there is NO
>breather
> > >tube
> > > > coming from the engine of any kind. But give me the year and
>model
> > >of your
> > > > coach then we can go from there.
> > > >
> > > > tom
> > > > 1982 FC35 SB
> > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > >
> > > > At 01:55 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Thanks for your time Tom,
> > > > > There are no leaks that I can see. It does blow some blue
> > >smoke
> > > > >when the engine is revved up after starting but only on the
>way up
> > > > >the rpm range. There is a ~ 1" breather? hose below the
>engine
> > >that
> > > > >blows oil vapor when the engine is hot.
> > > > >
> > > > >several seconds In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom
>Warner
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > How about some more information first. Are you leaking oil
> > > > >anyplace, rear
> > > > > > main seal, valve covers, positive crankcase vent on the
>valve
> > > > >covers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tom
> > > > > > 1982 FC35
> > > > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 07:06 PM 7/5/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > > >Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a Cat
>3208
> > >with
> > > > >87k
> > > > > > >on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900
>miles).
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[Richard Sevey & Carolyn Sevey]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Sevey & Carolyn
Sevey" wrote:
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Thompson"
> wrote:
> > Could be your over filling the oil, most diesel engine will
blow
> > out the extra oil, your better of running a quart or two low
then
> to
> > over fill. When you change oil put in the 20 quarts, this
includs
> the
> > filler, then check the dip stick, (the dip stick could be off)it
> > should be close to full, if the dip stick shows low, then your
dip
> > stick is off.
> > David Thompson 89 fc- Cameron Wi
> >
> > > dirty air filter is one,leaks are another. not trying to be
smart
> > about it,but do you have any more info? did it just start using
> > oil,did you just change the oil? etc..randy93wb
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: williamcharrison
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 3:06 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Excessive oil useage.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a Cat 3208
> with 87k
> > > on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900 miles).
> > >
> > > I didnt notice if you mentioned if the 3208 was turbo charged
or
> not, if it is a bad seal in the turbo will put a lot of oil
through
> the engine.
> Dick & Carolyn sevey 83fc 33 Pahrump, Nv.
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If the exhaust side seal was bad in the turbo the exhaust pipe (at
the open end )would probably be oily. If the intake side seal was
bad you would find oil in the intake system tubeing between the
turbo and the engine.
Dick & Carolyn Sevey 83 fc33 Pahrump, Nv.
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[pattypape]

Tom,

Don't know what it replaced. There is a container on top of the
valve cover with a removeable screen mesh. The vapors and sometimes
a wisp of smoked oil exit thru a one inch tube to below the
engine. The screen mesh must be serviced occationally.
Some 3208's have different options, this could have something to do
with the turbo set-up. Many times the Cat manual states repair or
service, "If equipped"

Bill 88 FC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
> Did this take the place of the positive crankcase vent on other
cat 3208's?
>
> tom
> 1982 Fc35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
> At 10:15 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> >Yep, we have a breather right off the valve cover for crank case
> >ventilation. At least a one inch extention pipe routed to below
the
> >oil pan.
> >
> >Bill 88 FC
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner

> >wrote:
> > > I am not familiar specifically with the SP36 but there are a
> >couple of
> > > others on the forum including Fred Keister that are. But I am
> >still not
> > > aware of any breathing tube on a Cat 3208.
> > >
> > > tom
> > > 1982 Fc35
> > > Vernon Center,NY
> > >
> > > At 07:43 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >'90 sp36
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
> >
> > > >wrote:
> > > > > Bill you need to sign your name and year and model coach
etc so
> > > >everyone
> > > > > knows what we are talking about. On my 1982 there is NO
> >breather
> > > >tube
> > > > > coming from the engine of any kind. But give me the year
and
> >model
> > > >of your
> > > > > coach then we can go from there.
> > > > >
> > > > > tom
> > > > > 1982 FC35 SB
> > > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > >
> > > > > At 01:55 PM 7/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > >Thanks for your time Tom,
> > > > > > There are no leaks that I can see. It does blow some
blue
> > > >smoke
> > > > > >when the engine is revved up after starting but only on
the
> >way up
> > > > > >the rpm range. There is a ~ 1" breather? hose below the
> >engine
> > > >that
> > > > > >blows oil vapor when the engine is hot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >several seconds In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom
> >Warner
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > How about some more information first. Are you leaking
oil
> > > > > >anyplace, rear
> > > > > > > main seal, valve covers, positive crankcase vent on the
> >valve
> > > > > >covers?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tom
> > > > > > > 1982 FC35
> > > > > > > Vernon Center,NY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 07:06 PM 7/5/2005 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a
Cat
> >3208
> > > >with
> > > > > >87k
> > > > > > > >on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900
> >miles).
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[fred89sp]

While I would not ignore what you have observed, I would want to know
more and see if you have a consistent pattern before becoming alarmed.

When I bought my 89SP from the prior owner he told me that the low
level on the dipstick was at 3 quarts and that I should wait until the
level dropped to 3 quarts down before topping up. He said that if I
topped up every quart that I would use a lot more oil. He may have
picked that information up at a RIV but I do not know for sure. He
was a retired airline pilot and paid careful attention to the coach so
I accepted his advice. With 5 gallons in the crankcase, the loss of 3
quarts is not significant.

I use Rotella 15/40 oil. If you use something other than 15/40 that
will affect consumption.

My experience has been 3 quarts in 1,300 to 2,500 miles but I would
want to have a pattern of perhaps 5,000 miles of experience.

Obviously check for leaks. Do some Cat SOS tests on the oil after
3,000 or more miles (I do mine at 8,000 mile intervals when I change
the oil) to see what is in the oil. Again you need a pattern to see
what develops over time.

As to the crankcase breather, it vents to the atmosphere and carries
oil vapor. Yours sounds stock. The SP had a problem with overheating
when the oil contaminated vapors passed through the radiator, gathered
dirt and made the radiator less effective.

I have seen two fixes for this. I think one originated at Holland
Motor Home where they extended the vent to almost touch the ground (it
did touch when the suspension was dumped). I think the other came out
of Fort Valley where they extended the vent to exit below the rear
bumper. All of this has nothing to do with consumption but more FYI.
If yours has not been modified you need to modify it and/ or check to
be sure your radiator is clean

In any event you will find that this tube will show noticeable vapor
coming out of the engine. If you see that vapor then it is not
plugged but if it does not vent then pressure may be building in the
crankcase and causing crankcase pressure to force oil past the rings.
If so then the canister on the valve cover may need to be serviced.
I believe it has a mesh inside.

Even if your consumption is high, if your oil tests are OK I would not
mess with the rings just to cure an oil consumption problem.

Fred Riester


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
wrote:
> Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a Cat 3208 with 87k
> on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900 miles).

[Tom Warner]

Fred I uploaded two drawings of the positive crankcase ventilation on my
Cat 3208 to the files section of the forum so anyone can see them. The vent
directs any oil vapors back into the engine intake. Notice the factory
bulletin that states what will happen if you do not have positive crankcase
ventilation in the other drawing.
I now wonder why the Cat 3208 in the SP36 does not have this positive
ventilation after reading this warning. Does anyone have any idea???

Tom
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

MAt 04:16 PM 7/7/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>While I would not ignore what you have observed, I would want to know
>more and see if you have a consistent pattern before becoming alarmed.
>
>When I bought my 89SP from the prior owner he told me that the low
>level on the dipstick was at 3 quarts and that I should wait until the
>level dropped to 3 quarts down before topping up. He said that if I
>topped up every quart that I would use a lot more oil. He may have
>picked that information up at a RIV but I do not know for sure. He
>was a retired airline pilot and paid careful attention to the coach so
>I accepted his advice. With 5 gallons in the crankcase, the loss of 3
>quarts is not significant.
>
>I use Rotella 15/40 oil. If you use something other than 15/40 that
>will affect consumption.
>
>My experience has been 3 quarts in 1,300 to 2,500 miles but I would
>want to have a pattern of perhaps 5,000 miles of experience.
>
>Obviously check for leaks. Do some Cat SOS tests on the oil after
>3,000 or more miles (I do mine at 8,000 mile intervals when I change
>the oil) to see what is in the oil. Again you need a pattern to see
>what develops over time.
>
>As to the crankcase breather, it vents to the atmosphere and carries
>oil vapor. Yours sounds stock. The SP had a problem with overheating
>when the oil contaminated vapors passed through the radiator, gathered
>dirt and made the radiator less effective.
>
>I have seen two fixes for this. I think one originated at Holland
>Motor Home where they extended the vent to almost touch the ground (it
>did touch when the suspension was dumped). I think the other came out
>of Fort Valley where they extended the vent to exit below the rear
>bumper. All of this has nothing to do with consumption but more FYI.
> If yours has not been modified you need to modify it and/ or check to
>be sure your radiator is clean
>
>In any event you will find that this tube will show noticeable vapor
>coming out of the engine. If you see that vapor then it is not
>plugged but if it does not vent then pressure may be building in the
>crankcase and causing crankcase pressure to force oil past the rings.
> If so then the canister on the valve cover may need to be serviced.
> I believe it has a mesh inside.
>
>Even if your consumption is high, if your oil tests are OK I would not
>mess with the rings just to cure an oil consumption problem.
>
> Fred Riester
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
> wrote:
> > Anyone know any reason (other than bad rings) why a Cat 3208 with 87k
> > on it would use excessive amounts of oil (4qts in 900 miles).
>
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[Bill Rowe]

Bill I have a 90sp And I have found that if you leave the oil level
down two qts. when changing, it will not use nearly as much oil. The
first time I changed it and filled it up to full 20 qts. I used two
qts. the first 300 miles. I didn't add any and didn't use any the
next 300 miles. I just made a 2000 mile trip and only used between 2
and 3qts. You will need to check it every day when traveling because you
will only have 2 qts. showing on the stick, and I don't think I would
let it get that low.
Bill Rowe White Hall AR 90sp36