1989 WB Bluebird

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

On the turbo piping, I meant the right front piping not the left.
Ralph

At 12:33 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Doug:
>
>I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform service
>work on Birds.
>
>When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be
>overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there.
>
>After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a
>manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the refrigerator
>out side access compartment. This is important.
>Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks
>mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by the
>hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as
>your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo
>piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp.
>Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
>Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the
>condition of the cable ends.
>As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting systems.
>Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look
>at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach
>head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If
>memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that
>modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights
>to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be
>sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around
>all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check
>all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that
>d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down
>the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the
>seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open
>cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to
>address that as a prevent maint later on.
>Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything unusual
>like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the
>compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the
>compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have
>crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation,
>this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that.
>Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off
>properly.
>
>So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check the
>undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good
>tell tell there.
>
>That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a
>little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.
>
>Ralph Fullenwider
>out of Oklahoma
>
>At 08:32 PM 7/26/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >Tom,
> >
> >I am new to this forum and I don't know Ralph Fullenwider. How do you
> >contact and where does he live? I would probably hire someone after I see
> >the coach and decide to buy it. John Bleakley offered a free oil analysis
> >to be taken before they change the oil and they also said they would print
> >off what the computer history says (I am not familiar with what
> >information you can get from the computer).
> >
> >Thanks for your response and help!!
> >
> >Doug Tidwell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tom Warner
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
> >
> >
> > Doug dont waste your money on an oil analysis. An oil analysis is only
> > good
> > if you have others to compare it with and the sample is taken at or near
> > oil change time so you get used oil to sample. If anyone has changed the
> > oil lately and you can bet it has been the only thing an oil analysis
> will
> > do now is to lighten your pocket.
> >
> > I believe John Bleakley is a reputable organization from what I have
> > personally observed. I went there when another forum member Dave Campbell
> > bought I believe a 1988 PT40 WB from them at a RITV that I sponsered
> > him at
> > about 3 years ago. He was very satisfied with their service and the
> > upgrade
> > work he had done on the coach. I would suggest you get a good inspection
> > done by them and annotate it on your sales receipt. Or hire Ralph
> > Fullenwider to do a PDI on it for you and use that to get the necessary
> > repairs done and up to snuff.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> > Tom
> > 1982 FC35
> > Vernon Center,NY
> >
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma

[Doug Tidwell]

Hello Ralph,

Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this coach and I
only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to very honest and is not
pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly down there tomorrow and look it
over and use your information as a guide. Assuming everything checks out good,
do you think it would be advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I
sign on the dotted line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't
want to get into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally
focusing on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford but
certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older coach. What is your
opinion on the best value and is there any good comparisons between the 89
verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on all of them and maybe have
established some fact based opinions. Any comments would be greatly
appreciated.

Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some people on the
forum have had to replace them in older coaches.

Do you have a phone number where I could call you?

Thanks!

Doug Tidwell
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird


Hello Doug:

I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform service
work on Birds.

When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be
overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there.

After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a
manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the refrigerator
out side access compartment. This is important.
Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks
mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by the
hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as
your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo
piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp.
Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the
condition of the cable ends.
As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting systems.
Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look
at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach
head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If
memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that
modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights
to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be
sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around
all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check
all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that
d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down
the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the
seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open
cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to
address that as a prevent maint later on.
Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything unusual
like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the
compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the
compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have
crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation,
this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that.
Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off
properly.

So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check the
undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good
tell tell there.

That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a
little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.

Ralph Fullenwider
out of Oklahoma

At 08:32 PM 7/26/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Tom,
>
>I am new to this forum and I don't know Ralph Fullenwider. How do you
>contact and where does he live? I would probably hire someone after I see
>the coach and decide to buy it. John Bleakley offered a free oil analysis
>to be taken before they change the oil and they also said they would print
>off what the computer history says (I am not familiar with what
>information you can get from the computer).
>
>Thanks for your response and help!!
>
>Doug Tidwell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Warner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
>
>
> Doug dont waste your money on an oil analysis. An oil analysis is only
> good
> if you have others to compare it with and the sample is taken at or near
> oil change time so you get used oil to sample. If anyone has changed the
> oil lately and you can bet it has been the only thing an oil analysis will
> do now is to lighten your pocket.
>
> I believe John Bleakley is a reputable organization from what I have
> personally observed. I went there when another forum member Dave Campbell
> bought I believe a 1988 PT40 WB from them at a RITV that I sponsered
> him at
> about 3 years ago. He was very satisfied with their service and the
> upgrade
> work he had done on the coach. I would suggest you get a good inspection
> done by them and annotate it on your sales receipt. Or hire Ralph
> Fullenwider to do a PDI on it for you and use that to get the necessary
> repairs done and up to snuff.
>
> Good luck
>
> Tom
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
>



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[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Doug:

Sent you the phone back channel.

The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds and since
they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent their Coaches
pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma

At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Ralph,
>
>Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this coach
>and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to very
>honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly down
>there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a
>guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it would be
>advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the dotted
>line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want to get
>into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally focusing
>on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford but
>certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older coach. What
>is your opinion on the best value and is there any good comparisons
>between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on all of
>them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any comments
>would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some people on
>the forum have had to replace them in older coaches.
>
>Do you have a phone number where I could call you?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Doug Tidwell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
>
>
> Hello Doug:
>
> I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform
> service
> work on Birds.
>
> When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be
> overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there.
>
> After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a
> manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the
> refrigerator
> out side access compartment. This is important.
> Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks
> mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by
> the
> hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as
> your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo
> piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp.
> Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
> Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the
> condition of the cable ends.
> As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting
> systems.
> Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look
> at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach
> head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If
> memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that
> modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights
> to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be
> sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around
> all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check
> all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that
> d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down
> the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the
> seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open
> cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to
> address that as a prevent maint later on.
> Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything
> unusual
> like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the
> compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the
> compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have
> crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation,
> this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that.
> Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off
> properly.
>
> So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check
> the
> undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good
> tell tell there.
>
> That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a
> little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.
>
> Ralph Fullenwider
> out of Oklahoma
>

[Village Drug Frontiernet]

Doug,
checkout this 90 pt40, Bill 91pt40

http://www.rvonline.com/single-ad.asp?Recnumber=24140
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird


Doug:

Sent you the phone back channel.

The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds and since
they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent their Coaches
pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma

At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Ralph,
>
>Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this coach
>and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to very
>honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly down
>there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a
>guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it would be
>advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the dotted
>line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want to get
>into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally focusing
>on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford but
>certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older coach. What
>is your opinion on the best value and is there any good comparisons
>between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on all of
>them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any comments
>would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some people on
>the forum have had to replace them in older coaches.
>
>Do you have a phone number where I could call you?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Doug Tidwell
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
>
>
> Hello Doug:
>
> I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform
> service
> work on Birds.
>
> When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be
> overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there.
>
> After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a
> manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the
> refrigerator
> out side access compartment. This is important.
> Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks
> mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by
> the
> hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as
> your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo
> piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp.
> Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
> Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the
> condition of the cable ends.
> As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting
> systems.
> Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look
> at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach
> head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If
> memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that
> modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights
> to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be
> sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around
> all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check
> all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that
> d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down
> the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the
> seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open
> cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to
> address that as a prevent maint later on.
> Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything
> unusual
> like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the
> compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the
> compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have
> crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation,
> this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that.
> Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off
> properly.
>
> So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check
> the
> undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good
> tell tell there.
>
> That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a
> little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.
>
> Ralph Fullenwider
> out of Oklahoma
>



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[dougtidwellhome]

Bill,

Thanks for the reference to rv-online. I sure like that coach but I
really wanted to stay away from wood cabinets (dark interior). I
did talk to the owners and may still consider it later on if it does
not sell.

I will fly to Georgia tomorrow and check out the 1989 John Bleakley
has. It will have to really good for me to purchase.

Do you have a 1991? If so how do you like it?

Thanks!

Doug Tidwell

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Village Drug Frontiernet"
wrote:
> Doug,
> checkout this 90 pt40, Bill 91pt40
>
> http://www.rvonline.com/single-ad.asp?Recnumber=24140
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
>
>
> Doug:
>
> Sent you the phone back channel.
>
> The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds
and since
> they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent
their Coaches
> pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma
>
> At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello Ralph,
> >
> >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen
this coach
> >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to
very
> >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will
fly down
> >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a
> >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it
would be
> >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on
the dotted
> >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't
want to get
> >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was
originally focusing
> >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford
but
> >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older
coach. What
> >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good
comparisons
> >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked
on all of
> >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any
comments
> >would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed
some people on
> >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches.
> >
> >Do you have a phone number where I could call you?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Doug Tidwell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
> >
> >
> > Hello Doug:
> >
> > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and
perform
> > service
> > work on Birds.
> >
> > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your
time and don't be
> > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been
there.
> >
> > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech
come out with a
> > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in
the
> > refrigerator
> > out side access compartment. This is important.
> > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the
hatch gas shocks
> > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or
broken ears by
> > the
> > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat
shielding, as
> > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see
the turbo
> > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered
by a clamp.
> > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
> > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable
size. Check the
> > condition of the cable ends.
> > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the
lighting
> > systems.
> > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running
and take a look
> > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn
on the Coach
> > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are
working. If
> > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will
probably make that
> > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the
driving lights
> > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry
door to be
> > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the
gaskets around
> > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on
top and check
> > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for
cracking or if that
> > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws
holding down
> > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side
and check the
> > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain
guttering has open
> > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you
will have to
> > address that as a prevent maint later on.
> > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for
anything
> > unusual
> > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the
skin. Open the
> > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look
under the
> > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs
could have
> > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing
insulation,
> > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any
damage from that.
> > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the
pump shuts off
> > properly.
> >
> > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk
around. Check
> > the
> > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME
tank is a good
> > tell tell there.
> >
> > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope
this helps a
> > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.
> >
> > Ralph Fullenwider
> > out of Oklahoma
> >
>
>
>
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[dougtidwellhome]

Ralph,

The transmission on this coach is a 4-speed. Do you think a 4-speed
is a great negative compared to one with more speeds? Just
wondering what you thought.

Thanks!!

Doug Tidwell

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
wrote:
> Doug:
>
> Sent you the phone back channel.
>
> The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds
and since
> they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent
their Coaches
> pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma
>
> At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello Ralph,
> >
> >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this
coach
> >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to
very
> >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly
down
> >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a
> >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it
would be
> >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the
dotted
> >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want
to get
> >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally
focusing
> >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford
but
> >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older
coach. What
> >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good
comparisons
> >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on
all of
> >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any
comments
> >would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some
people on
> >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches.
> >
> >Do you have a phone number where I could call you?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Doug Tidwell
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
> >
> >
> > Hello Doug:
> >
> > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and
perform
> > service
> > work on Birds.
> >
> > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time
and don't be
> > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there.
> >
> > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come
out with a
> > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the
> > refrigerator
> > out side access compartment. This is important.
> > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch
gas shocks
> > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or
broken ears by
> > the
> > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat
shielding, as
> > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the
turbo
> > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by
a clamp.
> > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
> > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable
size. Check the
> > condition of the cable ends.
> > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the
lighting
> > systems.
> > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and
take a look
> > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on
the Coach
> > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are
working. If
> > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably
make that
> > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the
driving lights
> > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry
door to be
> > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the
gaskets around
> > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on
top and check
> > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking
or if that
> > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws
holding down
> > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side
and check the
> > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering
has open
> > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will
have to
> > address that as a prevent maint later on.
> > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for
anything
> > unusual
> > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the
skin. Open the
> > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look
under the
> > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs
could have
> > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing
insulation,
> > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage
from that.
> > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump
shuts off
> > properly.
> >
> > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk
around. Check
> > the
> > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME
tank is a good
> > tell tell there.
> >
> > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this
helps a
> > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.
> >
> > Ralph Fullenwider
> > out of Oklahoma
> >

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Doug:

Interesting question and a valid one. my thought is "not really" and I say
that because the Coach was set up with that transmission and the running
gears designed around the factors on concept. The rear end is probable a
3:56 or even a 3:34 gear ratio. then taking into consideration, the 8V92
over the 6V I really don't think that would be a consideration. Of course
more gears the different ratios. Many on here know the specs on ratios
better than I. It being a 4 speed would not stop me in considering the
coach, it is a good set up. The '89 PT 40 has staying power and with the
short drive shaft, little loss in torque. I don't remember exactly which
Allison was put in that Coach, even still my first thought is still "not
really."

Mike H or Mike M may be able to better to answer that one for you.

Give me a call at home if you like. We will talk Birds.

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma 580-252-7694

At 01:22 AM 7/28/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Ralph,
>
>The transmission on this coach is a 4-speed. Do you think a 4-speed
>is a great negative compared to one with more speeds? Just
>wondering what you thought.
>
>Thanks!!
>
>Doug Tidwell

[Tom Seitz]

Doug, What are you looking for? I have a 90 SP for sale. Im about 40
mins. north of John Bleakley in Alpharetta GA. Tom 90 SP36


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dougtidwellhome"
wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Thanks for the reference to rv-online. I sure like that coach but
I
> really wanted to stay away from wood cabinets (dark interior). I
> did talk to the owners and may still consider it later on if it
does
> not sell.
>
> I will fly to Georgia tomorrow and check out the 1989 John
Bleakley
> has. It will have to really good for me to purchase.
>
> Do you have a 1991? If so how do you like it?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Doug Tidwell
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Village Drug
Frontiernet"
> wrote:
> > Doug,
> > checkout this 90 pt40, Bill 91pt40
> >
> > http://www.rvonline.com/single-ad.asp?Recnumber=24140
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
> >
> >
> > Doug:
> >
> > Sent you the phone back channel.
> >
> > The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know
Birds
> and since
> > they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent
> their Coaches
> > pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hello Ralph,
> > >
> > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen
> this coach
> > >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems
to
> very
> > >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will
> fly down
> > >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a
> > >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it
> would be
> > >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on
> the dotted
> > >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't
> want to get
> > >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was
> originally focusing
> > >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably
afford
> but
> > >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older
> coach. What
> > >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good
> comparisons
> > >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have
worked
> on all of
> > >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions.
Any
> comments
> > >would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed
> some people on
> > >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches.
> > >
> > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you?
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> > >Doug Tidwell
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Doug:
> > >
> > > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
and
> perform
> > > service
> > > work on Birds.
> > >
> > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your
> time and don't be
> > > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been
> there.
> > >
> > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech
> come out with a
> > > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in
> the
> > > refrigerator
> > > out side access compartment. This is important.
> > > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the
> hatch gas shocks
> > > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or
> broken ears by
> > > the
> > > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat
> shielding, as
> > > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see
> the turbo
> > > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange
covered
> by a clamp.
> > > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
> > > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable
> size. Check the
> > > condition of the cable ends.
> > > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the
> lighting
> > > systems.
> > > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running
> and take a look
> > > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn
> on the Coach
> > > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are
> working. If
> > > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will
> probably make that
> > > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for
the
> driving lights
> > > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the
entry
> door to be
> > > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the
> gaskets around
> > > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up
on
> top and check
> > > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for
> cracking or if that
> > > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all
screws
> holding down
> > > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the
side
> and check the
> > > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain
> guttering has open
> > > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you
> will have to
> > > address that as a prevent maint later on.
> > > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for
> anything
> > > unusual
> > > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the
> skin. Open the
> > > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals.
Look
> under the
> > > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow
outs
> could have
> > > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for
missing
> insulation,
> > > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any
> damage from that.
> > > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the
> pump shuts off
> > > properly.
> > >
> > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk
> around. Check
> > > the
> > > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME
> tank is a good
> > > tell tell there.
> > >
> > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope
> this helps a
> > > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.
> > >
> > > Ralph Fullenwider
> > > out of Oklahoma
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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[Al]

Doug,
You should look into the BMC line. You can get a 5 - 6 year
newer bird for same money with a Cummins Engine / 6 Speed Allison
MT3060 Transmission. You can find with white wash interiors as well
as dark wood. Ours has white wash interiors, wanderlodge dash, roof
latter / rails. As far as hp, the 37' has 350 and 40' have 400 I
believe. I am sure if I am wrong someone will correct me.

Al & Kathy Johnson
'96 BMC 37
Mandeville, Louisiana
Currently in Gillette, WY on way to Cody tomorrow then final to
Yellowstone

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dougtidwellhome"
wrote:
> Ralph,
>
> The transmission on this coach is a 4-speed. Do you think a 4-
speed
> is a great negative compared to one with more speeds? Just
> wondering what you thought.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Doug Tidwell
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> wrote:
> > Doug:
> >
> > Sent you the phone back channel.
> >
> > The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds
> and since
> > they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent
> their Coaches
> > pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hello Ralph,
> > >
> > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen
this
> coach
> > >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to
> very
> > >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will
fly
> down
> > >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a
> > >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it
> would be
> > >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on
the
> dotted
> > >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't
want
> to get
> > >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was
originally
> focusing
> > >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford
> but
> > >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older
> coach. What
> > >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good
> comparisons
> > >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked
on
> all of
> > >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any
> comments
> > >would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed
some
> people on
> > >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches.
> > >
> > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you?
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> > >Doug Tidwell
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Doug:
> > >
> > > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and
> perform
> > > service
> > > work on Birds.
> > >
> > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your
time
> and don't be
> > > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been
there.
> > >
> > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech
come
> out with a
> > > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in
the
> > > refrigerator
> > > out side access compartment. This is important.
> > > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the
hatch
> gas shocks
> > > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or
> broken ears by
> > > the
> > > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat
> shielding, as
> > > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see
the
> turbo
> > > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered
by
> a clamp.
> > > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
> > > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable
> size. Check the
> > > condition of the cable ends.
> > > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the
> lighting
> > > systems.
> > > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running
and
> take a look
> > > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn
on
> the Coach
> > > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are
> working. If
> > > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will
probably
> make that
> > > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the
> driving lights
> > > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry
> door to be
> > > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the
> gaskets around
> > > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on
> top and check
> > > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for
cracking
> or if that
> > > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws
> holding down
> > > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side
> and check the
> > > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain
guttering
> has open
> > > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you
will
> have to
> > > address that as a prevent maint later on.
> > > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for
> anything
> > > unusual
> > > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the
> skin. Open the
> > > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look
> under the
> > > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs
> could have
> > > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing
> insulation,
> > > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any
damage
> from that.
> > > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the
pump
> shuts off
> > > properly.
> > >
> > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk
> around. Check
> > > the
> > > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME
> tank is a good
> > > tell tell there.
> > >
> > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope
this
> helps a
> > > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.
> > >
> > > Ralph Fullenwider
> > > out of Oklahoma
> > >

[Tom Warner]

The BMC line is a nice coach and is a good value but it is not a
Wanderlodge. It uses a Spartan mountain master chassis just like the Tiffin
motorhomes use, with a body put on it on the Bluebird Assembly line.
Bluebird marketed the BMC for a very few years in an effort to break into
the lower priced field.

tom
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY


At 03:08 AM 7/28/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Doug,
> You should look into the BMC line. You can get a 5 - 6 year
>newer bird for same money with a Cummins Engine / 6 Speed Allison
>MT3060 Transmission. You can find with white wash interiors as well
>as dark wood. Ours has white wash interiors, wanderlodge dash, roof
>latter / rails. As far as hp, the 37' has 350 and 40' have 400 I
>believe. I am sure if I am wrong someone will correct me.
>
>Al & Kathy Johnson
>'96 BMC 37
>Mandeville, Louisiana
>Currently in Gillette, WY on way to Cody tomorrow then final to
>Yellowstone
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dougtidwellhome"
> wrote:
> > Ralph,
> >
> > The transmission on this coach is a 4-speed. Do you think a 4-
>speed
> > is a great negative compared to one with more speeds? Just
> > wondering what you thought.
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> > Doug Tidwell
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> > wrote:
> > > Doug:
> > >
> > > Sent you the phone back channel.
> > >
> > > The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds
> > and since
> > > they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent
> > their Coaches
> > > pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Hello Ralph,
> > > >
> > > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen
>this
> > coach
> > > >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to
> > very
> > > >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will
>fly
> > down
> > > >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a
> > > >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it
> > would be
> > > >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on
>the
> > dotted
> > > >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't
>want
> > to get
> > > >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was
>originally
> > focusing
> > > >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford
> > but
> > > >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older
> > coach. What
> > > >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good
> > comparisons
> > > >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked
>on
> > all of
> > > >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any
> > comments
> > > >would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed
>some
> > people on
> > > >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches.
> > > >
> > > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >Doug Tidwell
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Doug:
> > > >
> > > > I am in Oklahoma
> <http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm>http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
> and
> > perform
> > > > service
> > > > work on Birds.
> > > >
> > > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your
>time
> > and don't be
> > > > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been
>there.
> > > >
> > > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech
>come
> > out with a
> > > > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in
>the
> > > > refrigerator
> > > > out side access compartment. This is important.
> > > > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the
>hatch
> > gas shocks
> > > > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or
> > broken ears by
> > > > the
> > > > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat
> > shielding, as
> > > > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see
>the
> > turbo
> > > > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered
>by
> > a clamp.
> > > > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks.
> > > > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable
> > size. Check the
> > > > condition of the cable ends.
> > > > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the
> > lighting
> > > > systems.
> > > > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running
>and
> > take a look
> > > > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn
>on
> > the Coach
> > > > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are
> > working. If
> > > > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will
>probably
> > make that
> > > > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the
> > driving lights
> > > > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry
> > door to be
> > > > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the
> > gaskets around
> > > > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on
> > top and check
> > > > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for
>cracking
> > or if that
> > > > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws
> > holding down
> > > > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side
> > and check the
> > > > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain
>guttering
> > has open
> > > > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you
>will
> > have to
> > > > address that as a prevent maint later on.
> > > > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for
> > anything
> > > > unusual
> > > > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the
> > skin. Open the
> > > > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look
> > under the
> > > > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs
> > could have
> > > > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing
> > insulation,
> > > > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any
>damage
> > from that.
> > > > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the
>pump
> > shuts off
> > > > properly.
> > > >
> > > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk
> > around. Check
> > > > the
> > > > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME
> > tank is a good
> > > > tell tell there.
> > > >
> > > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope
>this
> > helps a
> > > > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck.
> > > >
> > > > Ralph Fullenwider
> > > > out of Oklahoma
> > > >
>
>
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