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07-27-2005, 05:40
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On the turbo piping, I meant the right front piping not the left.
Ralph At 12:33 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Doug: > >I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform service >work on Birds. > >When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be >overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there. > >After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a >manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the refrigerator >out side access compartment. This is important. >Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks >mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by the >hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as >your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo >piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp. >Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. >Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the >condition of the cable ends. >As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting systems. >Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look >at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach >head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If >memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that >modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights >to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be >sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around >all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check >all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that >d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down >the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the >seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open >cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to >address that as a prevent maint later on. >Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything unusual >like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the >compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the >compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have >crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation, >this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that. >Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off >properly. > >So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check the >undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good >tell tell there. > >That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a >little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. > >Ralph Fullenwider >out of Oklahoma > >At 08:32 PM 7/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Tom, > > > >I am new to this forum and I don't know Ralph Fullenwider. How do you > >contact and where does he live? I would probably hire someone after I see > >the coach and decide to buy it. John Bleakley offered a free oil analysis > >to be taken before they change the oil and they also said they would print > >off what the computer history says (I am not familiar with what > >information you can get from the computer). > > > >Thanks for your response and help!! > > > >Doug Tidwell > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Warner > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > > > > Doug dont waste your money on an oil analysis. An oil analysis is only > > good > > if you have others to compare it with and the sample is taken at or near > > oil change time so you get used oil to sample. If anyone has changed the > > oil lately and you can bet it has been the only thing an oil analysis > will > > do now is to lighten your pocket. > > > > I believe John Bleakley is a reputable organization from what I have > > personally observed. I went there when another forum member Dave Campbell > > bought I believe a 1988 PT40 WB from them at a RITV that I sponsered > > him at > > about 3 years ago. He was very satisfied with their service and the > > upgrade > > work he had done on the coach. I would suggest you get a good inspection > > done by them and annotate it on your sales receipt. Or hire Ralph > > Fullenwider to do a PDI on it for you and use that to get the necessary > > repairs done and up to snuff. > > > > Good luck > > > > Tom > > 1982 FC35 > > Vernon Center,NY > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Safe travels, Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma |
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07-27-2005, 06:52
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Hello Ralph,
Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this coach and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to very honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly down there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it would be advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the dotted line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want to get into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally focusing on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford but certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older coach. What is your opinion on the best value and is there any good comparisons between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on all of them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some people on the forum have had to replace them in older coaches. Do you have a phone number where I could call you? Thanks! Doug Tidwell ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph L. Fullenwider To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird Hello Doug: I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform service work on Birds. When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there. After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the refrigerator out side access compartment. This is important. Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by the hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp. Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the condition of the cable ends. As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting systems. Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to address that as a prevent maint later on. Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything unusual like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation, this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that. Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off properly. So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check the undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good tell tell there. That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. Ralph Fullenwider out of Oklahoma At 08:32 PM 7/26/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Tom, > >I am new to this forum and I don't know Ralph Fullenwider. How do you >contact and where does he live? I would probably hire someone after I see >the coach and decide to buy it. John Bleakley offered a free oil analysis >to be taken before they change the oil and they also said they would print >off what the computer history says (I am not familiar with what >information you can get from the computer). > >Thanks for your response and help!! > >Doug Tidwell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Warner > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > Doug dont waste your money on an oil analysis. An oil analysis is only > good > if you have others to compare it with and the sample is taken at or near > oil change time so you get used oil to sample. If anyone has changed the > oil lately and you can bet it has been the only thing an oil analysis will > do now is to lighten your pocket. > > I believe John Bleakley is a reputable organization from what I have > personally observed. I went there when another forum member Dave Campbell > bought I believe a 1988 PT40 WB from them at a RITV that I sponsered > him at > about 3 years ago. He was very satisfied with their service and the > upgrade > work he had done on the coach. I would suggest you get a good inspection > done by them and annotate it on your sales receipt. Or hire Ralph > Fullenwider to do a PDI on it for you and use that to get the necessary > repairs done and up to snuff. > > Good luck > > Tom > 1982 FC35 > Vernon Center,NY > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "WanderlodgeForum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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07-27-2005, 06:57
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Doug:
Sent you the phone back channel. The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds and since they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent their Coaches pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well. Safe travels, Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Ralph, > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this coach >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to very >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly down >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it would be >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the dotted >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want to get >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally focusing >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford but >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older coach. What >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good comparisons >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on all of >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any comments >would be greatly appreciated. > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some people on >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches. > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you? > >Thanks! > >Doug Tidwell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > Hello Doug: > > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform > service > work on Birds. > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there. > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the > refrigerator > out side access compartment. This is important. > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by > the > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp. > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the > condition of the cable ends. > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting > systems. > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to > address that as a prevent maint later on. > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything > unusual > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation, > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that. > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off > properly. > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check > the > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good > tell tell there. > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. > > Ralph Fullenwider > out of Oklahoma > |
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07-27-2005, 07:10
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Doug,
checkout this 90 pt40, Bill 91pt40 http://www.rvonline.com/single-ad.asp?Recnumber=24140 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph L. Fullenwider To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird Doug: Sent you the phone back channel. The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds and since they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent their Coaches pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well. Safe travels, Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Ralph, > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this coach >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to very >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly down >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it would be >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the dotted >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want to get >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally focusing >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford but >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older coach. What >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good comparisons >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on all of >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any comments >would be greatly appreciated. > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some people on >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches. > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you? > >Thanks! > >Doug Tidwell > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > Hello Doug: > > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform > service > work on Birds. > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there. > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the > refrigerator > out side access compartment. This is important. > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by > the > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp. > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the > condition of the cable ends. > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting > systems. > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to > address that as a prevent maint later on. > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything > unusual > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation, > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that. > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off > properly. > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check > the > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good > tell tell there. > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. > > Ralph Fullenwider > out of Oklahoma > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "WanderlodgeForum" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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07-27-2005, 13:08
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Bill,
Thanks for the reference to rv-online. I sure like that coach but I really wanted to stay away from wood cabinets (dark interior). I did talk to the owners and may still consider it later on if it does not sell. I will fly to Georgia tomorrow and check out the 1989 John Bleakley has. It will have to really good for me to purchase. Do you have a 1991? If so how do you like it? Thanks! Doug Tidwell --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Village Drug Frontiernet" > Doug, > checkout this 90 pt40, Bill 91pt40 > > http://www.rvonline.com/single-ad.asp?Recnumber=24140 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > Doug: > > Sent you the phone back channel. > > The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds and since > they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent their Coaches > pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well. > > Safe travels, > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma > > At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello Ralph, > > > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this coach > >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to very > >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly down > >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a > >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it would be > >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the dotted > >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want to get > >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally focusing > >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford but > >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older coach. What > >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good comparisons > >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on all of > >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any comments > >would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some people on > >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches. > > > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Doug Tidwell > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > > > > Hello Doug: > > > > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform > > service > > work on Birds. > > > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be > > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there. > > > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a > > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the > > refrigerator > > out side access compartment. This is important. > > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks > > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by > > the > > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as > > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo > > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp. > > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. > > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the > > condition of the cable ends. > > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting > > systems. > > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look > > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach > > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If > > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that > > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights > > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be > > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around > > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check > > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that > > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down > > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the > > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open > > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to > > address that as a prevent maint later on. > > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything > > unusual > > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the > > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the > > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have > > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation, > > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that. > > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off > > properly. > > > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check > > the > > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good > > tell tell there. > > > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a > > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. > > > > Ralph Fullenwider > > out of Oklahoma > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "WanderlodgeForum" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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07-27-2005, 13:22
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Ralph,
The transmission on this coach is a 4-speed. Do you think a 4-speed is a great negative compared to one with more speeds? Just wondering what you thought. Thanks!! Doug Tidwell --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider" > Doug: > > Sent you the phone back channel. > > The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds and since > they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent their Coaches > pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well. > > Safe travels, > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma > > At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello Ralph, > > > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this coach > >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to very > >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly down > >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a > >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it would be > >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the dotted > >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want to get > >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally focusing > >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford but > >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older coach. What > >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good comparisons > >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on all of > >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any comments > >would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some people on > >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches. > > > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Doug Tidwell > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > > > > Hello Doug: > > > > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and perform > > service > > work on Birds. > > > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time and don't be > > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there. > > > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come out with a > > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the > > refrigerator > > out side access compartment. This is important. > > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch gas shocks > > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or broken ears by > > the > > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat shielding, as > > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the turbo > > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by a clamp. > > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. > > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable size. Check the > > condition of the cable ends. > > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the lighting > > systems. > > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and take a look > > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on the Coach > > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are working. If > > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably make that > > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the driving lights > > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry door to be > > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the gaskets around > > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on top and check > > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking or if that > > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws holding down > > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side and check the > > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering has open > > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will have to > > address that as a prevent maint later on. > > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for anything > > unusual > > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the skin. Open the > > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look under the > > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs could have > > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing insulation, > > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage from that. > > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump shuts off > > properly. > > > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk around. Check > > the > > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME tank is a good > > tell tell there. > > > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this helps a > > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. > > > > Ralph Fullenwider > > out of Oklahoma > > |
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07-27-2005, 13:38
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1989 WB Bluebird
Doug:
Interesting question and a valid one. my thought is "not really" and I say that because the Coach was set up with that transmission and the running gears designed around the factors on concept. The rear end is probable a 3:56 or even a 3:34 gear ratio. then taking into consideration, the 8V92 over the 6V I really don't think that would be a consideration. Of course more gears the different ratios. Many on here know the specs on ratios better than I. It being a 4 speed would not stop me in considering the coach, it is a good set up. The '89 PT 40 has staying power and with the short drive shaft, little loss in torque. I don't remember exactly which Allison was put in that Coach, even still my first thought is still "not really." Mike H or Mike M may be able to better to answer that one for you. Give me a call at home if you like. We will talk Birds. Safe travels, Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma 580-252-7694 At 01:22 AM 7/28/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Ralph, > >The transmission on this coach is a 4-speed. Do you think a 4-speed >is a great negative compared to one with more speeds? Just >wondering what you thought. > >Thanks!! > >Doug Tidwell |
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07-27-2005, 15:01
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1989 WB Bluebird
Doug, What are you looking for? I have a 90 SP for sale. Im about 40
mins. north of John Bleakley in Alpharetta GA. Tom 90 SP36 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dougtidwellhome" > Bill, > > Thanks for the reference to rv-online. I sure like that coach but I > really wanted to stay away from wood cabinets (dark interior). I > did talk to the owners and may still consider it later on if it does > not sell. > > I will fly to Georgia tomorrow and check out the 1989 John Bleakley > has. It will have to really good for me to purchase. > > Do you have a 1991? If so how do you like it? > > Thanks! > > Doug Tidwell > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Village Drug Frontiernet" > > > Doug, > > checkout this 90 pt40, Bill 91pt40 > > > > http://www.rvonline.com/single-ad.asp?Recnumber=24140 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > > > > Doug: > > > > Sent you the phone back channel. > > > > The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds > and since > > they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent > their Coaches > > pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well. > > > > Safe travels, > > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > > Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma > > > > At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hello Ralph, > > > > > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen > this coach > > >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to > very > > >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will > fly down > > >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a > > >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it > would be > > >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on > the dotted > > >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't > want to get > > >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was > originally focusing > > >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford > but > > >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older > coach. What > > >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good > comparisons > > >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked > on all of > > >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any > comments > > >would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed > some people on > > >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches. > > > > > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you? > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >Doug Tidwell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > > > > > > > Hello Doug: > > > > > > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and > perform > > > service > > > work on Birds. > > > > > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your > time and don't be > > > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been > there. > > > > > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech > come out with a > > > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in > the > > > refrigerator > > > out side access compartment. This is important. > > > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the > hatch gas shocks > > > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or > broken ears by > > > the > > > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat > shielding, as > > > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see > the turbo > > > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered > by a clamp. > > > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. > > > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable > size. Check the > > > condition of the cable ends. > > > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the > lighting > > > systems. > > > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running > and take a look > > > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn > on the Coach > > > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are > working. If > > > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will > probably make that > > > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the > driving lights > > > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry > door to be > > > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the > gaskets around > > > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on > top and check > > > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for > cracking or if that > > > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws > holding down > > > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side > and check the > > > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain > guttering has open > > > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you > will have to > > > address that as a prevent maint later on. > > > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for > anything > > > unusual > > > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the > skin. Open the > > > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look > under the > > > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs > could have > > > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing > insulation, > > > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any > damage from that. > > > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the > pump shuts off > > > properly. > > > > > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk > around. Check > > > the > > > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME > tank is a good > > > tell tell there. > > > > > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope > this helps a > > > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. > > > > > > Ralph Fullenwider > > > out of Oklahoma > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > a.. Visit your group "WanderlodgeForum" on the web. > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > WanderlodgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms > of Service. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------- > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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07-27-2005, 15:08
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1989 WB Bluebird
Doug,
You should look into the BMC line. You can get a 5 - 6 year newer bird for same money with a Cummins Engine / 6 Speed Allison MT3060 Transmission. You can find with white wash interiors as well as dark wood. Ours has white wash interiors, wanderlodge dash, roof latter / rails. As far as hp, the 37' has 350 and 40' have 400 I believe. I am sure if I am wrong someone will correct me. Al & Kathy Johnson '96 BMC 37 Mandeville, Louisiana Currently in Gillette, WY on way to Cody tomorrow then final to Yellowstone --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dougtidwellhome" > Ralph, > > The transmission on this coach is a 4-speed. Do you think a 4- speed > is a great negative compared to one with more speeds? Just > wondering what you thought. > > Thanks!! > > Doug Tidwell > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider" > > > Doug: > > > > Sent you the phone back channel. > > > > The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds > and since > > they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent > their Coaches > > pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well. > > > > Safe travels, > > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > > Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma > > > > At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hello Ralph, > > > > > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen this > coach > > >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to > very > > >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will fly > down > > >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a > > >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it > would be > > >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on the > dotted > > >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't want > to get > > >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was originally > focusing > > >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford > but > > >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older > coach. What > > >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good > comparisons > > >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked on > all of > > >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any > comments > > >would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed some > people on > > >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches. > > > > > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you? > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >Doug Tidwell > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > > > > > > > Hello Doug: > > > > > > I am in Oklahoma http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm and > perform > > > service > > > work on Birds. > > > > > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your time > and don't be > > > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been there. > > > > > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech come > out with a > > > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in the > > > refrigerator > > > out side access compartment. This is important. > > > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the hatch > gas shocks > > > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or > broken ears by > > > the > > > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat > shielding, as > > > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see the > turbo > > > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered by > a clamp. > > > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. > > > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable > size. Check the > > > condition of the cable ends. > > > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the > lighting > > > systems. > > > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running and > take a look > > > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn on > the Coach > > > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are > working. If > > > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will probably > make that > > > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the > driving lights > > > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry > door to be > > > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the > gaskets around > > > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on > top and check > > > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for cracking > or if that > > > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws > holding down > > > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side > and check the > > > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain guttering > has open > > > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you will > have to > > > address that as a prevent maint later on. > > > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for > anything > > > unusual > > > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the > skin. Open the > > > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look > under the > > > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs > could have > > > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing > insulation, > > > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any damage > from that. > > > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the pump > shuts off > > > properly. > > > > > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk > around. Check > > > the > > > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME > tank is a good > > > tell tell there. > > > > > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope this > helps a > > > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. > > > > > > Ralph Fullenwider > > > out of Oklahoma > > > |
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07-27-2005, 15:38
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1989 WB Bluebird
The BMC line is a nice coach and is a good value but it is not a
Wanderlodge. It uses a Spartan mountain master chassis just like the Tiffin motorhomes use, with a body put on it on the Bluebird Assembly line. Bluebird marketed the BMC for a very few years in an effort to break into the lower priced field. tom 1982 FC35 Vernon Center,NY At 03:08 AM 7/28/2005 +0000, you wrote: >Doug, > You should look into the BMC line. You can get a 5 - 6 year >newer bird for same money with a Cummins Engine / 6 Speed Allison >MT3060 Transmission. You can find with white wash interiors as well >as dark wood. Ours has white wash interiors, wanderlodge dash, roof >latter / rails. As far as hp, the 37' has 350 and 40' have 400 I >believe. I am sure if I am wrong someone will correct me. > >Al & Kathy Johnson >'96 BMC 37 >Mandeville, Louisiana >Currently in Gillette, WY on way to Cody tomorrow then final to >Yellowstone > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "dougtidwellhome" > > > Ralph, > > > > The transmission on this coach is a 4-speed. Do you think a 4- >speed > > is a great negative compared to one with more speeds? Just > > wondering what you thought. > > > > Thanks!! > > > > Doug Tidwell > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider" > > > > > Doug: > > > > > > Sent you the phone back channel. > > > > > > The folks at Bleakly are pretty reliable really. They know Birds > > and since > > > they are only a few miles from Bird's Nest, they do represent > > their Coaches > > > pretty openly. They have a nice facility there as well. > > > > > > Safe travels, > > > > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > > > Ralph's RV Solutions,, Oklahoma > > > > > > At 01:52 PM 7/27/2005 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Hello Ralph, > > > > > > > >Your information is very much appreciated!! I have not seen >this > > coach > > > >and I only have the salesman word on the condition (he seems to > > very > > > >honest and is not pressuring me in any way). I think I will >fly > > down > > > >there tomorrow and look it over and use your information as a > > > >guide. Assuming everything checks out good, do you think it > > would be > > > >advisable for me to pay you to check it over before I sign on >the > > dotted > > > >line? I know so many things can be wrong and I really don't >want > > to get > > > >into a coach with numerous follow-up expenses. I was >originally > > focusing > > > >on coaches in the 91-95 model years which could probably afford > > but > > > >certainly would like to pay less if I found the right older > > coach. What > > > >is your opinion on the best value and is there any good > > comparisons > > > >between the 89 verses the early 90's? I guess you have worked >on > > all of > > > >them and maybe have established some fact based opinions. Any > > comments > > > >would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > >Also, should I look at suspension air-bags. I have noticed >some > > people on > > > >the forum have had to replace them in older coaches. > > > > > > > >Do you have a phone number where I could call you? > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >Doug Tidwell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Ralph L. Fullenwider > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 12:33 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] 1989 WB Bluebird > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Doug: > > > > > > > > I am in Oklahoma > <http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm>http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm > and > > perform > > > > service > > > > work on Birds. > > > > > > > > When you go see the Coach, don't be in a rush, take your >time > > and don't be > > > > overwhelmed. It is easy to do, I know, we have all been >there. > > > > > > > > After a walk through, ask Bleakly to have a service tech >come > > out with a > > > > manometer and do an LP leak down test. This can be done in >the > > > > refrigerator > > > > out side access compartment. This is important. > > > > Next, open the engine hatch, do a visual check where the >hatch > > gas shocks > > > > mount to the lid. Then check the manifolds for cracks or > > broken ears by > > > > the > > > > hold down bolts. If the turbo piping is covered with heat > > shielding, as > > > > your facing the engine, on your left in front you will see >the > > turbo > > > > piping, under that shielding you will find a flange covered >by > > a clamp. > > > > Just above the clamp, do a visual check for any cracks. > > > > Next check the battery wiring, it should be 2/0 min cable > > size. Check the > > > > condition of the cable ends. > > > > As you do your walk through of the Coach, turn on all the > > lighting > > > > systems. > > > > Bring the AC's on line one at a time until all are running >and > > take a look > > > > at the gauges to see if they are balanced and steady. Turn >on > > the Coach > > > > head lights and driving lights, check to be sure they are > > working. If > > > > memory serves, unless it has been modified ( you will >probably > > make that > > > > modification later) the bright lights have to be on for the > > driving lights > > > > to work. Check the step in and out function. Check the entry > > door to be > > > > sure it is not bowed or need an adjustment. Check all the > > gaskets around > > > > all windows to be sure there is not rust beginning. Go up on > > top and check > > > > all vents where the base contacts the roof metal, for >cracking > > or if that > > > > d(*&@ silicone has been used to stop leaks. Check all screws > > holding down > > > > the walk plates to see if they are loose. Look over the side > > and check the > > > > seams where the awnings meet the coach. If the rain >guttering > > has open > > > > cracks in the sealant, it is not a major concern but you >will > > have to > > > > address that as a prevent maint later on. > > > > Standing at the front of the Coach peer down the sides for > > anything > > > > unusual > > > > like deeper than what should be normal indentations in the > > skin. Open the > > > > compartments and check the gas shocks and rubber seals. Look > > under the > > > > compartment edges, especially the front where tire blow outs > > could have > > > > crumpled the compartments. Check all wheel wells for missing > > insulation, > > > > this tells you if there has been a blow out, and if any >damage > > from that. > > > > Check the water system to be sure it pressures up and the >pump > > shuts off > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > So many things, but this you can do with an informed walk > > around. Check > > > > the > > > > undercarriage for major rust and the bottom of the LP ASME > > tank is a good > > > > tell tell there. > > > > > > > > That is just a few things to look at to start with. Hope >this > > helps a > > > > little. The '89 is a good Coach. Good luck. > > > > > > > > Ralph Fullenwider > > > > out of Oklahoma > > > > > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum>WanderlodgeForum" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > odgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- |
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