Headlight upgrade-you gotta do this

[Scott Forman]

Hello all,

Today, I did a serious upgrade of my FC headlights. I HIGHLY
recommend that all you FC owners (or at least those of you with round
headlights) do some or all of this upgrade.

First, I bought some Xenon headlight units to replace the old sealed
beams. I got mine here:

http://store.racinglab.com/rodicutsebeh.html

These are a direct plug-n-play replacement for your old sealed beams.

I then installed headlamp relays as outlined by Mr. Burliss in
the 'Files' section of this site ("Headlight Modification"). I got
the relay units here:

http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stor...t/Product?
storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID%
3A2001333&productId=2001333&langId=-1&catalogId=10102

My headlights are now brighter than those on my new Chevy
truck...they really light up the road in bright, white light. I
cannot describe what a huge improvement this is over my old sealed-
beams. I am not that great with wiring, and I was able to do the
whole conversion in a couple of hours...someone who really knows what
they are doing could knock this out in no time flat. Just adding the
relay to regular sealed-beams would be a huge improvement, too.

Happy new year to all.

Scott Forman
"Tiger Pride"
82 FC35RB
Memphis

[Jack & Donna Smith]

Wow, Scott: Those look very good...Don't know if they would fit in my
1973 coach though.
I wonder what those Boys with the Big Shiney Badges would say about
these??
Jack Smith
1973FC31
SoCal

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@r...>
wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Today, I did a serious upgrade of my FC headlights. I HIGHLY
> recommend that all you FC owners (or at least those of you with round
> headlights) do some or all of this upgrade.
>
> First, I bought some Xenon headlight units to replace the old sealed
> beams. I got mine here:
>
> http://store.racinglab.com/rodicutsebeh.html
>
> These are a direct plug-n-play replacement for your old sealed beams.
>
> I then installed headlamp relays as outlined by Mr. Burliss in
> the 'Files' section of this site ("Headlight Modification"). I got
> the relay units here:
>
> http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stor...t/Product?
> storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID%
> 3A2001333&productId=2001333&langId=-1&catalogId=10102
>
> My headlights are now brighter than those on my new Chevy
> truck...they really light up the road in bright, white light. I
> cannot describe what a huge improvement this is over my old sealed-
> beams. I am not that great with wiring, and I was able to do the
> whole conversion in a couple of hours...someone who really knows what
> they are doing could knock this out in no time flat. Just adding the
> relay to regular sealed-beams would be a huge improvement, too.
>
> Happy new year to all.
>
> Scott Forman
> "Tiger Pride"
> 82 FC35RB
> Memphis
>

[Scott Forman]

I bet they would fit...I think the headlight units were the same
across all the years (until they went to square).

As for those shiny badges...these Xenon's come on lots of high-end
cars now (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus) so I doubt they would ever bother me
about it.

Scott

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
wrote:
>
> Wow, Scott: Those look very good...Don't know if they would fit in
my
> 1973 coach though.
> I wonder what those Boys with the Big Shiney Badges would say about
> these??
> Jack Smith
> 1973FC31
> SoCal
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@r...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Today, I did a serious upgrade of my FC headlights. I HIGHLY
> > recommend that all you FC owners (or at least those of you with
round
> > headlights) do some or all of this upgrade.
> >
> > First, I bought some Xenon headlight units to replace the old
sealed
> > beams. I got mine here:
> >
> > http://store.racinglab.com/rodicutsebeh.html
> >
> > These are a direct plug-n-play replacement for your old sealed
beams.
> >
> > I then installed headlamp relays as outlined by Mr. Burliss in
> > the 'Files' section of this site ("Headlight Modification"). I
got
> > the relay units here:
> >
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stor...t/Product?
> > storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID%
> > 3A2001333&productId=2001333&langId=-1&catalogId=10102
> >
> > My headlights are now brighter than those on my new Chevy
> > truck...they really light up the road in bright, white light. I
> > cannot describe what a huge improvement this is over my old
sealed-
> > beams. I am not that great with wiring, and I was able to do the
> > whole conversion in a couple of hours...someone who really knows
what
> > they are doing could knock this out in no time flat. Just adding
the
> > relay to regular sealed-beams would be a huge improvement, too.
> >
> > Happy new year to all.
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > "Tiger Pride"
> > 82 FC35RB
> > Memphis
> >
>

[erniecarpet@...]

I have HELLA headlites on my pt- brightest light I have ever had.
ernie-83pt40 in louisiana


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[thomasnihart]

I did notice the web page for this item does not mention a DOT
approval for these bulbs. In fact there is a disclaimer at the
bottom of the page which warns some of their products are for off
road purposes. Another problem with this type of bulb is there short
life.



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@r...> wrote:
>
> I bet they would fit...I think the headlight units were the same
> across all the years (until they went to square).
>
> As for those shiny badges...these Xenon's come on lots of high-end
> cars now (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus) so I doubt they would ever bother
me
> about it.
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, Scott: Those look very good...Don't know if they would fit
in
> my
> > 1973 coach though.
> > I wonder what those Boys with the Big Shiney Badges would say
about
> > these??
> > Jack Smith
> > 1973FC31
> > SoCal
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> <sforman@r...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Today, I did a serious upgrade of my FC headlights. I HIGHLY
> > > recommend that all you FC owners (or at least those of you with
> round
> > > headlights) do some or all of this upgrade.
> > >
> > > First, I bought some Xenon headlight units to replace the old
> sealed
> > > beams. I got mine here:
> > >
> > > http://store.racinglab.com/rodicutsebeh.html
> > >
> > > These are a direct plug-n-play replacement for your old sealed
> beams.
> > >
> > > I then installed headlamp relays as outlined by Mr. Burliss in
> > > the 'Files' section of this site ("Headlight Modification"). I
> got
> > > the relay units here:
> > >
> > > http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stor...t/Product?
> > > storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID%
> > > 3A2001333&productId=2001333&langId=-1&catalogId=10102
> > >
> > > My headlights are now brighter than those on my new Chevy
> > > truck...they really light up the road in bright, white light.
I
> > > cannot describe what a huge improvement this is over my old
> sealed-
> > > beams. I am not that great with wiring, and I was able to do
the
> > > whole conversion in a couple of hours...someone who really
knows
> what
> > > they are doing could knock this out in no time flat. Just
adding
> the
> > > relay to regular sealed-beams would be a huge improvement, too.
> > >
> > > Happy new year to all.
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > "Tiger Pride"
> > > 82 FC35RB
> > > Memphis
> > >
> >
>

[Stephen Birtles]

Bmw offers a hid light or high itensity discharge light on their
vehicles it is much different than the bulbs you purchased
The hid lites most often consume 35 watts of power compared to the
standard 50 watts of power on a halogen or incandescent bulb
the hid bulbs use a ballast to start the lights at a high voltage
where a standard bulb use 12 volts
the only difference between the bulbs you bought and a regular bulb is
either the coating on the glass or the inert gas contained within the
bulb or both.
Stephen 77fc35



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "thomasnihart"
wrote:
>
> I did notice the web page for this item does not mention a DOT
> approval for these bulbs. In fact there is a disclaimer at the
> bottom of the page which warns some of their products are for off
> road purposes. Another problem with this type of bulb is there short
> life.
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> <sforman@r...> wrote:
> >
> > I bet they would fit...I think the headlight units were the same
> > across all the years (until they went to square).
> >
> > As for those shiny badges...these Xenon's come on lots of high-end
> > cars now (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus) so I doubt they would ever bother
> me
> > about it.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow, Scott: Those look very good...Don't know if they would fit
> in
> > my
> > > 1973 coach though.
> > > I wonder what those Boys with the Big Shiney Badges would say
> about
> > > these??
> > > Jack Smith
> > > 1973FC31
> > > SoCal
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> > <sforman@r...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Today, I did a serious upgrade of my FC headlights. I HIGHLY
> > > > recommend that all you FC owners (or at least those of you with
> > round
> > > > headlights) do some or all of this upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > First, I bought some Xenon headlight units to replace the old
> > sealed
> > > > beams. I got mine here:
> > > >
> > > > http://store.racinglab.com/rodicutsebeh.html
> > > >
> > > > These are a direct plug-n-play replacement for your old sealed
> > beams.
> > > >
> > > > I then installed headlamp relays as outlined by Mr. Burliss in
> > > > the 'Files' section of this site ("Headlight Modification"). I
> > got
> > > > the relay units here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stor...t/Product?
> > > > storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID%
> > > > 3A2001333&productId=2001333&langId=-1&catalogId=10102
> > > >
> > > > My headlights are now brighter than those on my new Chevy
> > > > truck...they really light up the road in bright, white light.
> I
> > > > cannot describe what a huge improvement this is over my old
> > sealed-
> > > > beams. I am not that great with wiring, and I was able to do
> the
> > > > whole conversion in a couple of hours...someone who really
> knows
> > what
> > > > they are doing could knock this out in no time flat. Just
> adding
> > the
> > > > relay to regular sealed-beams would be a huge improvement, too.
> > > >
> > > > Happy new year to all.
> > > >
> > > > Scott Forman
> > > > "Tiger Pride"
> > > > 82 FC35RB
> > > > Memphis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Tom Warner]

In order for Xenon lamps to be DOT street legal they must have the
following markings displayed on the lens "D1S", "D1R", "D2S" or "D2R"
(depending on type of lamp design). Also the letters "DOT" should
appear on the lens to indicate compliance to the U.S. Department of
Transportation regulations. If these markings are not on the lens
then they may not be used on public roads.

Tom Warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY


At 09:41 AM 1/1/2006, you wrote:
> I did notice the web page for this item does not mention a DOT
>approval for these bulbs. In fact there is a disclaimer at the
>bottom of the page which warns some of their products are for off
>road purposes. Another problem with this type of bulb is there short
>life.
>
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
><sforman@r...> wrote:
> >
> > I bet they would fit...I think the headlight units were the same
> > across all the years (until they went to square).
> >
> > As for those shiny badges...these Xenon's come on lots of high-end
> > cars now (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus) so I doubt they would ever bother
>me
> > about it.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow, Scott: Those look very good...Don't know if they would fit
>in
> > my
> > > 1973 coach though.
> > > I wonder what those Boys with the Big Shiney Badges would say
>about
> > > these??
> > > Jack Smith
> > > 1973FC31
> > > SoCal
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> > <sforman@r...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > Today, I did a serious upgrade of my FC headlights. I HIGHLY
> > > > recommend that all you FC owners (or at least those of you with
> > round
> > > > headlights) do some or all of this upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > First, I bought some Xenon headlight units to replace the old
> > sealed
> > > > beams. I got mine here:
> > > >
> > > >
>
<http://store.racinglab.com/rodicutsebeh.html>http://store.racinglab.com/rodicut\
sebeh.html
> > > >
> > > > These are a direct plug-n-play replacement for your old sealed
> > beams.
> > > >
> > > > I then installed headlamp relays as outlined by Mr. Burliss in
> > > > the 'Files' section of this site ("Headlight Modification"). I
> > got
> > > > the relay units here:
> > > >
> > > >
>
<http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stor...t/Product?>http://www.jcwhitne\
y.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product?
> > > > storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID%
> > > > 3A2001333&productId=2001333&langId=-1&catalogId=10102
> > > >
> > > > My headlights are now brighter than those on my new Chevy
> > > > truck...they really light up the road in bright, white light.
>I
> > > > cannot describe what a huge improvement this is over my old
> > sealed-
> > > > beams. I am not that great with wiring, and I was able to do
>the
> > > > whole conversion in a couple of hours...someone who really
>knows
> > what
> > > > they are doing could knock this out in no time flat. Just
>adding
> > the
> > > > relay to regular sealed-beams would be a huge improvement, too.
> > > >
> > > > Happy new year to all.
> > > >
> > > > Scott Forman
> > > > "Tiger Pride"
> > > > 82 FC35RB
> > > > Memphis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Jeff Miller]

I've been running European lights on my cars and coaches since ~
1978, have never had anyone question the legality regardless of the
fact that they are not DOT approved.

The easy way to not get in trouble is to keep them adjusted well, and
if you're running over-legal-max wattage bulbs, keep them dimmed
unless you're on open/empty road. The "look-at-me-blue" junk is
annoying and no more effective, but might attract attention (or at
least should) of your Highway Patrol however.

The difference in lighting is very substantial, there is a reason
that the antique US lighting is not legal in Europe, their standard
kept up with technology when we made the sealed-beam our standard.

The down-side of a European light in my experience is the very sharp
cutoff not sending much stray light upward, so overhead signs are
difficult to read. Takes some getting used to. They are far superior
also in fog/snow/heavy-rain with less stray light to cause glare.

European lights I recommend are the Cibie and Hella brands, normally
referred to as European Conversion Lights and sold by many parts
stores in sizes to replace all sealed-beam sizes (round and
rectangular) and will plug in / mount where your original sealed-
beams were with no changes other than aiming them properly.

I don't recommend going over the standard/legal H-4 / H-1 55watt
bulb, the high-beam becomes unuseable in any traffic at all, just
overkill.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
wrote:
>
> Wow, Scott: Those look very good...Don't know if they would fit in
my
> 1973 coach though.
> I wonder what those Boys with the Big Shiney Badges would say about
> these??
> Jack Smith
> 1973FC31
> SoCal
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@r...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Today, I did a serious upgrade of my FC headlights. I HIGHLY
> > recommend that all you FC owners (or at least those of you with
round
> > headlights) do some or all of this upgrade.
> >
> > First, I bought some Xenon headlight units to replace the old
sealed
> > beams. I got mine here:
> >
> > http://store.racinglab.com/rodicutsebeh.html
> >
> > These are a direct plug-n-play replacement for your old sealed
beams.
> >
> > I then installed headlamp relays as outlined by Mr. Burliss in
> > the 'Files' section of this site ("Headlight Modification"). I
got
> > the relay units here:
> >
> > http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stor...t/Product?
> > storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID%
> > 3A2001333&productId=2001333&langId=-1&catalogId=10102
> >
> > My headlights are now brighter than those on my new Chevy
> > truck...they really light up the road in bright, white light. I
> > cannot describe what a huge improvement this is over my old
sealed-
> > beams. I am not that great with wiring, and I was able to do the
> > whole conversion in a couple of hours...someone who really knows
what
> > they are doing could knock this out in no time flat. Just adding
the
> > relay to regular sealed-beams would be a huge improvement, too.
> >
> > Happy new year to all.
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > "Tiger Pride"
> > 82 FC35RB
> > Memphis
> >
>

[Stephen Birtles]

I am sure you already know that the markings D1S,D1R,D2S,and D2R are
the module number for the modules and has nothing to do with DOT
admissability or compliance. These module numbers are used much the
same as 9004 9007 9005 in standard bulbs for automotive application
Just because the modules are stamped with this on the lens means
nothing it just shows which module number to replace if it burns out
On the other hand the DOT Stamp or imprint means a lot
When using true HID the reflectors and bases must also be designed for
the module they have a different beam pattern not the same as standard
automotive bulbs either incandescent or halogen
Using HID modules in a fixture not designed for such can cause injury
to the owner or vision impairment to on coming traffic. Be careful
when using hid modules and Ballasts High Voltage is present. Also HID
Modules can only be used with the proper Ballast and Starter
Stephen 77fc35


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote:
>
> In order for Xenon lamps to be DOT street legal they must have the
> following markings displayed on the lens "D1S", "D1R", "D2S" or "D2R"
> (depending on type of lamp design). Also the letters "DOT" should
> appear on the lens to indicate compliance to the U.S. Department of
> Transportation regulations. If these markings are not on the lens
> then they may not be used on public roads.
>
> Tom Warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
>
> At 09:41 AM 1/1/2006, you wrote:
> > I did notice the web page for this item does not mention a DOT
> >approval for these bulbs. In fact there is a disclaimer at the
> >bottom of the page which warns some of their products are for off
> >road purposes. Another problem with this type of bulb is there short
> >life.
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> ><sforman@r...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I bet they would fit...I think the headlight units were the same
> > > across all the years (until they went to square).
> > >
> > > As for those shiny badges...these Xenon's come on lots of high-end
> > > cars now (BMW, Mercedes, Lexus) so I doubt they would ever bother
> >me
> > > about it.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow, Scott: Those look very good...Don't know if they would fit
> >in
> > > my
> > > > 1973 coach though.
> > > > I wonder what those Boys with the Big Shiney Badges would say
> >about
> > > > these??
> > > > Jack Smith
> > > > 1973FC31
> > > > SoCal
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
> > > <sforman@r...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Today, I did a serious upgrade of my FC headlights. I HIGHLY
> > > > > recommend that all you FC owners (or at least those of you with
> > > round
> > > > > headlights) do some or all of this upgrade.
> > > > >
> > > > > First, I bought some Xenon headlight units to replace the old
> > > sealed
> > > > > beams. I got mine here:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
<http://store.racinglab.com/rodicutsebeh.html>http://store.racinglab.com/rodicut\
sebeh.html
> > > > >
> > > > > These are a direct plug-n-play replacement for your old sealed
> > > beams.
> > > > >
> > > > > I then installed headlamp relays as outlined by Mr. Burliss in
> > > > > the 'Files' section of this site ("Headlight Modification"). I
> > > got
> > > > > the relay units here:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
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> > > > > My headlights are now brighter than those on my new Chevy
> > > > > truck...they really light up the road in bright, white light.
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> > > > > Happy new year to all.
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