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[john duke]

To all BB guys
I have a question about climbing in a Blu-Bird. I have my WLSP 36 now for 10
years and I keep looking at mountain grades more and more. My last BIG endevour
was the Calif. Tehachapi pass from Bakersfield on up to where the windmills
are. I pushed the coach as hard as I could and saw Pyro reach 1050 at times and
boost 15+. Water and Oil temps were never over 190F Tranny was also in
limits(95C). I passed almost every truck on that climb.(Towing my jeep
wrangler). Yet I keep watching the grades and reading about them if they are
listed.
Going into Yosemite from the west, I would not take my BB up those grades,
yet I saw all kinds of busses and motorhomes going right in there. WHAT is the
limit that a Blue-Bird can do?? Am I too timid or over cautious in generalor is
a 10% grade too much? I would love to hear of some of your experiences.
Thanks
Juergen in PA
1991 WLSP36



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[john duke]

To all BB guys
I have a question about climbing in a Blu-Bird. I have my WLSP 36 now for 10
years and I keep looking at mountain grades more and more. My last BIG endevour
was the Calif. Tehachapi pass from Bakersfield on up to where the windmills
are. I pushed the coach as hard as I could and saw Pyro reach 1050 at times and
boost 15+. Water and Oil temps were never over 190F Tranny was also in
limits(95C). I passed almost every truck on that climb.(Towing my jeep
wrangler). Yet I keep watching the grades and reading about them if they are
listed.
Going into Yosemite from the west, I would not take my BB up those grades,
yet I saw all kinds of busses and motorhomes going right in there. WHAT is the
limit that a Blue-Bird can do?? Am I too timid or over cautious in generalor is
a 10% grade too much? I would love to hear of some of your experiences.
Thanks
Juergen in PA
1991 WLSP36



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[guysmalley]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, john duke wrote:
>
> To all BB guys
> I have a question about climbing in a Blu-Bird. I have my WLSP 36 now for
10 years
and I keep looking at mountain grades more and more. My last BIG endevour was
the
Calif. Tehachapi pass from Bakersfield on up to where the windmills are. I
pushed the
coach as hard as I could and saw Pyro reach 1050 at times and boost 15+. Water
and Oil
temps were never over 190F Tranny was also in limits(95C). I passed almost
every truck
on that climb.(Towing my jeep wrangler). Yet I keep watching the grades and
reading
about them if they are listed.
> Going into Yosemite from the west, I would not take my BB up those grades,
yet I saw
all kinds of busses and motorhomes going right in there. WHAT is the limit that
a Blue-
Bird can do?? Am I too timid or over cautious in generalor is a 10% grade too
much? I
would love to hear of some of your experiences.
> Thanks
> Juergen in PA
> 1991 WLSP36
>
Juergen,
I worry more about the swith backs than the grade if you take your time gear it
right it
would go up almost anything. I am a cyclist and riden all over the country
(including the
road to Yosemite) so I am aware of grades. what I do in real steep climbs=
winding roads
is to have my wife drove the tow car. less strain it is not nessasary but on
hard swithbacks
it is just easyer. also I research roads before hand so not to get into a bad
situation.
bottom line most roads that you would bring the BB on would be under 12% which a
pusher would do.

guy smalley
86 pt40

[sfedeli3]

Hi Guy & Juergen,
I've climbed many of the passes out west pedal to the metal in my
PT40 and never have seen my pyro over 650 in the summer. Did El
Cajon, Wolf Creek and the Grapevine all in July heat. Temps were 195
Water and 230 Oil/Tranny. My turbo seems to get hotter with
thicker "cold" oil and yesterday I saw 725 and got scared. What
should the pyro max out at?
Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "guysmalley"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, john duke
wrote:
> >
> > To all BB guys
> > I have a question about climbing in a Blu-Bird. I have my WLSP
36 now for 10 years
> and I keep looking at mountain grades more and more. My last BIG
endevour was the
> Calif. Tehachapi pass from Bakersfield on up to where the
windmills are. I pushed the
> coach as hard as I could and saw Pyro reach 1050 at times and
boost 15+. Water and Oil
> temps were never over 190F Tranny was also in limits(95C). I
passed almost every truck
> on that climb.(Towing my jeep wrangler). Yet I keep watching the
grades and reading
> about them if they are listed.
> > Going into Yosemite from the west, I would not take my BB up
those grades, yet I saw
> all kinds of busses and motorhomes going right in there. WHAT is
the limit that a Blue-
> Bird can do?? Am I too timid or over cautious in generalor is a
10% grade too much? I
> would love to hear of some of your experiences.
> > Thanks
> > Juergen in PA
> > 1991 WLSP36
> >
> Juergen,
> I worry more about the swith backs than the grade if you take your
time gear it right it
> would go up almost anything. I am a cyclist and riden all over the
country (including the
> road to Yosemite) so I am aware of grades. what I do in real steep
climbs= winding roads
> is to have my wife drove the tow car. less strain it is not
nessasary but on hard swithbacks
> it is just easyer. also I research roads before hand so not to get
into a bad situation.
> bottom line most roads that you would bring the BB on would be
under 12% which a
> pusher would do.
>
> guy smalley
> 86 pt40
>

[Ralph L. Fullenwider]

Hi Juergen:

The melting point of alum. is 1218 degrees F, but with your water temps and
all being in the range you mentioned, I would suspect that your pyrometer
or sensor is need of calibration. With those temps, 750 would be what I
would expect to be seeing. Just some thoughts.

Ralph

At 04:35 PM 11/23/2005 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Guy & Juergen,
> I've climbed many of the passes out west pedal to the metal in my
>PT40 and never have seen my pyro over 650 in the summer. Did El
>Cajon, Wolf Creek and the Grapevine all in July heat. Temps were 195
>Water and 230 Oil/Tranny. My turbo seems to get hotter with
>thicker "cold" oil and yesterday I saw 725 and got scared. What
>should the pyro max out at?
>Shane Fedeli
>85PT40
>Hershey, PA
>
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "guysmalley"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, john duke
> wrote:
> > >
> > > To all BB guys
> > > I have a question about climbing in a Blu-Bird. I have my WLSP
>36 now for 10 years
> > and I keep looking at mountain grades more and more. My last BIG
>endevour was the
> > Calif. Tehachapi pass from Bakersfield on up to where the
>windmills are. I pushed the
> > coach as hard as I could and saw Pyro reach 1050 at times and
>boost 15+. Water and Oil
> > temps were never over 190F Tranny was also in limits(95C). I
>passed almost every truck
> > on that climb.(Towing my jeep wrangler). Yet I keep watching the
>grades and reading
> > about them if they are listed.
> > > Going into Yosemite from the west, I would not take my BB up
>those grades, yet I saw
> > all kinds of busses and motorhomes going right in there. WHAT is
>the limit that a Blue-
> > Bird can do?? Am I too timid or over cautious in generalor is a
>10% grade too much? I
> > would love to hear of some of your experiences.
> > > Thanks
> > > Juergen in PA
> > > 1991 WLSP36
> > >
> > Juergen,
> > I worry more about the swith backs than the grade if you take your
>time gear it right it
> > would go up almost anything. I am a cyclist and riden all over the
>country (including the
> > road to Yosemite) so I am aware of grades. what I do in real steep
>climbs= winding roads
> > is to have my wife drove the tow car. less strain it is not
>nessasary but on hard swithbacks
> > it is just easyer. also I research roads before hand so not to get
>into a bad situation.
> > bottom line most roads that you would bring the BB on would be
>under 12% which a
> > pusher would do.
> >
> > guy smalley
> > 86 pt40
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Safe travels,

Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm

[mrdonut12]

Juergen,
I'm now an expert in this, after driving to Las Vegas and going
through Bullhead City, where you have 6 and 7% grades for 25 miles
down, then the same going back up out of the canyon. ;o)
I've decided it's better to take it easy on my engine,
transmission and differential. Just because it can do it, doesn't
mean I should do it to it...
I simply start downshifting until I find a gear that I can
comfortably pull the hill at about 3/4 throttle and wait it out. I
lose a little speed, but the engine doesn't use nearly as much oil and
it seems more comfortable at that rate.
Last year on the same trip, I drove an average around 60mph and
got 5.5 mpg. This year, I drove 55 and got 8.0 mpg for the whole
trip, which was about 3,000 miles total to Vegas and back.
I'm not saying I never floor it, but if I'm pulling a steep
grade, I just take it easier on the accelerator.
I've got 170k on my little 3208na (non-turbo) and the oil stayed
clear for the first 600 miles. That's a healthy engine. I want to
keep it that way.
I wouldn't be afraid to tackle any hill in a Bird, even mine, I'd
just find a gear that worked, even if it was low gear. I'd get there
eventually. :o)

George Witt
81 FC 35
Lincoln, Nebraska



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, john duke
wrote:
>
> To all BB guys
> I have a question about climbing in a Blu-Bird. I have my WLSP 36
now for 10 years and I keep looking at mountain grades more and more.
My last BIG endevour was the Calif. Tehachapi pass from Bakersfield
on up to where the windmills are. I pushed the coach as hard as I
could and saw Pyro reach 1050 at times and boost 15+. Water and Oil
temps were never over 190F Tranny was also in limits(95C). I passed
almost every truck on that climb.(Towing my jeep wrangler). Yet I
keep watching the grades and reading about them if they are listed.
> Going into Yosemite from the west, I would not take my BB up those
grades, yet I saw all kinds of busses and motorhomes going right in
there. WHAT is the limit that a Blue-Bird can do?? Am I too timid or
over cautious in generalor is a 10% grade too much? I would love to
hear of some of your experiences.
> Thanks
> Juergen in PA
> 1991 WLSP36
>
>
>
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[rwoodysurplus]

750???

you need to turn that bus up or ck pyro

before turbo probe max egt 1250
after turbo probe temp max egt 950

i have ran big trucks at 1100 egt pre turbo all day
seeing 1300 on big hills......

also with my pickup with way too big loads

those number will be great with a calibrated egt meter!

woody 81fc rb sgd

17+yr trucker and army mtr sgt!

[David Brady]

I've seen 950 deg F. on my series 60. Not
quite sure where the temp sensor is located; i.e.,
before or after the turbo.

Dave,
'02 LXi, Smokey, Va

rwoodysurplus wrote:

>750???
>
>you need to turn that bus up or ck pyro
>
>before turbo probe max egt 1250
>after turbo probe temp max egt 950
>
>i have ran big trucks at 1100 egt pre turbo all day
>seeing 1300 on big hills......
>
>also with my pickup with way too big loads
>
>those number will be great with a calibrated egt meter!
>
>woody 81fc rb sgd
>
>17+yr trucker and army mtr sgt!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>



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[john duke]

Hi Shane
Blue-Bird Book says 900F, Caterpillar says don't exceed 1300F, some consider
the range between 900 and 1250 the yellow caution range, while 1300 is RED
Line.
I cannot even cruise slowly on level ground with only 650. My cruise on level
ground and no headwind is about 700 +/- 10.
Go figure... ???
Juergen in PA
1991 WLSP36

sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> wrote: Hi Guy & Juergen,
I've climbed many of the passes out west pedal to the metal in my
PT40 and never have seen my pyro over 650 in the summer. Did El
Cajon, Wolf Creek and the Grapevine all in July heat. Temps were 195
Water and 230 Oil/Tranny. My turbo seems to get hotter with
thicker "cold" oil and yesterday I saw 725 and got scared. What
should the pyro max out at?
Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "guysmalley"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, john duke
wrote:
> >
> > To all BB guys
> > I have a question about climbing in a Blu-Bird. I have my WLSP
36 now for 10 years
> and I keep looking at mountain grades more and more. My last BIG
endevour was the
> Calif. Tehachapi pass from Bakersfield on up to where the
windmills are. I pushed the
> coach as hard as I could and saw Pyro reach 1050 at times and
boost 15+. Water and Oil
> temps were never over 190F Tranny was also in limits(95C). I
passed almost every truck
> on that climb.(Towing my jeep wrangler). Yet I keep watching the
grades and reading
> about them if they are listed.
> > Going into Yosemite from the west, I would not take my BB up
those grades, yet I saw
> all kinds of busses and motorhomes going right in there. WHAT is
the limit that a Blue-
> Bird can do?? Am I too timid or over cautious in generalor is a
10% grade too much? I
> would love to hear of some of your experiences.
> > Thanks
> > Juergen in PA
> > 1991 WLSP36
> >
> Juergen,
> I worry more about the swith backs than the grade if you take your
time gear it right it
> would go up almost anything. I am a cyclist and riden all over the
country (including the
> road to Yosemite) so I am aware of grades. what I do in real steep
climbs= winding roads
> is to have my wife drove the tow car. less strain it is not
nessasary but on hard swithbacks
> it is just easyer. also I research roads before hand so not to get
into a bad situation.
> bottom line most roads that you would bring the BB on would be
under 12% which a
> pusher would do.
>
> guy smalley
> 86 pt40
>






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[dspithaler@...]

My 89 SP Run about the same on level ground. It usually is around 800 on
hills it goes to 900 then 1000 & I saw at 1100 on a grade on I-77 in Virginia
last year. I wander if the sensor is before the turbo and not after & if it is
correct. I hear so many different readings it makes you wander if yours is
right & if they are installed in the right place. I hope mine shifts down
sooner after I had that upgraded E-prom installed this fall.
Don
89 SP 36'
Butler, PA With snow on the ground This Thanksgiving Day

Hi Shane
Blue-Bird Book says 900F, Caterpillar says don't exceed 1300F, some
consider the range between 900 and 1250 the yellow caution range, while 1300
is RED
Line.
I cannot even cruise slowly on level ground with only 650. My cruise on
level ground and no headwind is about 700 +/- 10.
Go figure... ???
Juergen in PA
1991 WLSP36

sfedeli3 <sfedeli3@...> wrote: Hi Guy & Juergen,
I've climbed many of the passes out west pedal to the metal in my
PT40 and never have seen my pyro over 650 in the summer. Did El
Cajon, Wolf Creek and the Grapevine all in July heat. Temps were 195
Water and 230 Oil/Tranny. My turbo seems to get hotter with
thicker "cold" oil and yesterday I saw 725 and got scared. What
should the pyro max out at?
Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "guysmalley"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, john duke
wrote:
> >
> > To all BB guys
> > I have a question about climbing in a Blu-Bird. I have my WLSP
36 now for 10 years
> and I keep looking at mountain grades more and more. My last BIG
endevour was the
> Calif. Tehachapi pass from Bakersfield on up to where the
windmills are. I pushed the
> coach as hard as I could and saw Pyro reach 1050 at times and
boost 15+. Water and Oil
> temps were never over 190F Tranny was also in limits(95C). I
passed almost every truck
> on that climb.(Towing my jeep wrangler). Yet I keep watching the
grades and reading
> about them if they are listed.
> > Going into Yosemite from the west, I would not take my BB up
those grades, yet I saw
> all kinds of busses and motorhomes going right in there. WHAT is
the limit that a Blue-
> Bird can do?? Am I too timid or over cautious in generalor is a
10% grade too much? I
> would love to hear of some of your experiences.
> > Thanks
> > Juergen in PA
> > 1991 WLSP36
> >
> Juergen,
> I worry more about the swith backs than the grade if you take your
time gear it right it
> would go up almost anything. I am a cyclist and riden all over the
country (including the
> road to Yosemite) so I am aware of grades. what I do in real steep
climbs= winding roads
> is to have my wife drove the tow car. less strain it is not
nessasary but on hard swithbacks
> it is just easyer. also I research roads before hand so not to get
into a bad situation.
> bottom line most roads that you would bring the BB on would be
under 12% which a
> pusher would do.
>
> guy smalley
> 86 pt40
>






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