Jeep Liberty as a TOAD?

[scoggins_jim]

I am considering buying an 06 Liberty diesel and have a few questions
> of you. The vehicle will be used as a TOAD behind a motor coach. I
> have been towing a 91 Wrangler and am more than satisfied regarding
> the ease of use as a tow vehicle. I have no intention to use it for
> serious off roading: Snow and mud will usually be the worst case.
> Power line trails and logging roads will be used occassionally.
>
> I understand brand loyalty but please try to be intellectually honest
> with your answers. If my questions are redundant please refer me to
> the appropriate sites.
>
> Q1. Many all wheel drive vehicles are restricted from being towed 4
> wheels down. This does not appear to be the case in Jeep. What pros
> and cons are there regarding the two choices: Select-Trac and
> Command-Trac.
> It seems that the Command Trac might be a simple system with less
> moving parts.
>
> Q2. Other than the amenities, are there any substantive differences
> between the Sport and LE. Stated otherwise, is there something in the
> LE that it of such over-riding importance, performance wide, that is
> worth the extra expense and weight.
>
> Q3. Do you all see any need for the skid plates. I sense, given the
> way I screw things up, they could be handy after I have gotten in
> over my head.
>
> Q4. I have been unable to find any real information on the diesel
> engine. I understand it is of Euro linage but who and where. Rumor
> mill says built in Italy. Have there been any real issues with this
> engine?
>
> Q5. I have been lurking and skulking about on this web site trying to
> get some insight on issues. There seems to be some goofy items: Water
> spots on seats, weird lighting issues, moaning brakes, etc. Other some
> ball joint issues I have not seen anything really bad. Everyone seems
> happy with engines and drive trains. Is this the case, or are there
> drive train issues I have not picked up on. By he way, does a heay
> applicaon of Scoch Guard, solve the seat spotting problem.
>
> Q6. Are there any of you that have owned both a diesel and gas
> Liberties? Comments?
>
> Q7. What are the maintenance intervals and is there anything really
> unusual? I am familiar with diesel engines as I have a Power Stroke in
> a Ford, a Kabota in a farm tractor and a Cummins in a Bluebird, but
> have no experience with small automotive applications. I understand
> that 4 wheel drive is a little more intensive service wise, but I am
> asking about anything that is really unusual.
>
> Q8. My take is the Sport might be a better choice for me in that there
> are fewer ammenities to cause nit-noid problems. Comments?
>
> Thank you for your responses in advance and for bearing with a newbe
> wanabe.
>
> Regards,
> Jim Scoggins

[Scott]

Hey Jim, Hope all is well with you and yours..There is a forum member
that is kinda like the "resident" guru of the jeeps. Jay Darst, He
owns a dealership and in my opinion gives our BB group some
quite "honest and frank" opinions regarding the jeep. Not to mention
that I have spoken with a couple of members that have purchased from
him and they said that he was more than fair with pricing to BB
folks. I am sure he will see your post and respond. Stay well. See
you in MB??

Scott B
86FC35 "RUBY"
SC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
<scoggins.j@a...> wrote:
>
> I am considering buying an 06 Liberty diesel and have a few
questions
> > of you. The vehicle will be used as a TOAD behind a motor coach. I
> > have been towing a 91 Wrangler and am more than satisfied
regarding
> > the ease of use as a tow vehicle. I have no intention to use it
for
> > serious off roading: Snow and mud will usually be the worst case.
> > Power line trails and logging roads will be used occassionally.
> >
> > I understand brand loyalty but please try to be intellectually
honest
> > with your answers. If my questions are redundant please refer me
to
> > the appropriate sites.
> >
> > Q1. Many all wheel drive vehicles are restricted from being towed
4
> > wheels down. This does not appear to be the case in Jeep. What
pros
> > and cons are there regarding the two choices: Select-Trac and
> > Command-Trac.
> > It seems that the Command Trac might be a simple system with less
> > moving parts.
> >
> > Q2. Other than the amenities, are there any substantive
differences
> > between the Sport and LE. Stated otherwise, is there something in
the
> > LE that it of such over-riding importance, performance wide, that
is
> > worth the extra expense and weight.
> >
> > Q3. Do you all see any need for the skid plates. I sense, given
the
> > way I screw things up, they could be handy after I have gotten in
> > over my head.
> >
> > Q4. I have been unable to find any real information on the diesel
> > engine. I understand it is of Euro linage but who and where. Rumor
> > mill says built in Italy. Have there been any real issues with
this
> > engine?
> >
> > Q5. I have been lurking and skulking about on this web site
trying to
> > get some insight on issues. There seems to be some goofy items:
Water
> > spots on seats, weird lighting issues, moaning brakes, etc. Other
some
> > ball joint issues I have not seen anything really bad. Everyone
seems
> > happy with engines and drive trains. Is this the case, or are
there
> > drive train issues I have not picked up on. By he way, does a heay
> > applicaon of Scoch Guard, solve the seat spotting problem.
> >
> > Q6. Are there any of you that have owned both a diesel and gas
> > Liberties? Comments?
> >
> > Q7. What are the maintenance intervals and is there anything
really
> > unusual? I am familiar with diesel engines as I have a Power
Stroke in
> > a Ford, a Kabota in a farm tractor and a Cummins in a Bluebird,
but
> > have no experience with small automotive applications. I
understand
> > that 4 wheel drive is a little more intensive service wise, but I
am
> > asking about anything that is really unusual.
> >
> > Q8. My take is the Sport might be a better choice for me in that
there
> > are fewer ammenities to cause nit-noid problems. Comments?
> >
> > Thank you for your responses in advance and for bearing with a
newbe
> > wanabe.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Scoggins
>

[Fred Hulse]

Hi Jim Scoggins
We have a Liberty CRD purchased this early summer,
previously we had a Jeep Grand Cherokee.

The transfer case is manual and is towable.

Our Jeep isn't a Sport or Limited,but has cloth seats and the bumpers and
fenders are not painted but the gray plastic?

It would be good to have skid plates,but not necessary
for us anyway.

The engine is made in Italy and used widely in Europe for various applications,
including Chrysler cars and vans and and of course Jeep. I read somewhere the
company is a joint venture of Daimler and Penske.

I don't know of any suspension issues and would think this is the same Liberty
as when it was first introduced some years back.Seat spotting is not an issue as
any cloth seat is subject to this problem.Leather would be better for us,but
there weren't any around when we bought our Liberty.I haven't thought of
Scotchguard,but it may work.
I am working on some solution to the brake noise and have concluded it is the
material they used on the pads and may change the pads later to see if it
helps.I live on a graded road and that doesn't help either.I found that blowing
out the brake caliper area with compressed air is the best way to keep it quiet
for about a week and then it comes back gradually.Chrysler will fix
this,eventually.The initial 6000 miles it used up 2 quarts of oil and I thought
2 quarts was too much,and talking with the service writer at 2 Jeep agencies it
is normal for the 12000 mile break in period.
I am deep into my second 6000 miles and there has been no oil usage yet.

The service interval is 6000 miles or 6 months,they are using Mobil One
synthetic so an oil change at the dealer is costly.I have found the oil at
Costco or Sams Club for about 4 dollars a quart.

I have become accustomed to the feel of the Liberty and now really enjoy driving
it.At first I was comparing it too much to the Grand Cherokee but have let go of
that thought.

I think for our purpose,the Sport whatever model ours is badged is more
suitable.If only that the cladding is not painted and if it gets beat up from
towing,the cladding and/or bumpers are just replaced without any painting.

Hope you enjoy your Jeep

Fred & Jeanne Hulse
Morristown,Arizona
1997 Wanderlodge PT41

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Al]

Hi Jim,
We are looking at purchasing a Jeep Libery Diesel as well. We
are hoping to find a rental company to do a weekend rental to test
drive it over several hundred miles to make sure the ride is going
to be confortable. We need a toad replacement so that is why were
are looking at the liberty. One question I have is do I need four
wheel drive to be able to pull? Please keep the group informed. We
are seeing 2006 pricing in the low 21k. Maybe Jay will be able to
give us a better deal. If you talk to him, let him know we are in
the market as well.

Al & Kathy Johnson
'96 BMC "Currently at Coachcraft by MacDonald"
Mandeville, La

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
<scoggins.j@a...> wrote:
>
> I am considering buying an 06 Liberty diesel and have a few
questions
> > of you. The vehicle will be used as a TOAD behind a motor coach.
I
> > have been towing a 91 Wrangler and am more than satisfied
regarding
> > the ease of use as a tow vehicle. I have no intention to use it
for
> > serious off roading: Snow and mud will usually be the worst case.
> > Power line trails and logging roads will be used occassionally.
> >
> > I understand brand loyalty but please try to be intellectually
honest
> > with your answers. If my questions are redundant please refer me
to
> > the appropriate sites.
> >
> > Q1. Many all wheel drive vehicles are restricted from being
towed 4
> > wheels down. This does not appear to be the case in Jeep. What
pros
> > and cons are there regarding the two choices: Select-Trac and
> > Command-Trac.
> > It seems that the Command Trac might be a simple system with less
> > moving parts.
> >
> > Q2. Other than the amenities, are there any substantive
differences
> > between the Sport and LE. Stated otherwise, is there something
in the
> > LE that it of such over-riding importance, performance wide,
that is
> > worth the extra expense and weight.
> >
> > Q3. Do you all see any need for the skid plates. I sense, given
the
> > way I screw things up, they could be handy after I have gotten
in
> > over my head.
> >
> > Q4. I have been unable to find any real information on the diesel
> > engine. I understand it is of Euro linage but who and where.
Rumor
> > mill says built in Italy. Have there been any real issues with
this
> > engine?
> >
> > Q5. I have been lurking and skulking about on this web site
trying to
> > get some insight on issues. There seems to be some goofy items:
Water
> > spots on seats, weird lighting issues, moaning brakes, etc.
Other some
> > ball joint issues I have not seen anything really bad. Everyone
seems
> > happy with engines and drive trains. Is this the case, or are
there
> > drive train issues I have not picked up on. By he way, does a
heay
> > applicaon of Scoch Guard, solve the seat spotting problem.
> >
> > Q6. Are there any of you that have owned both a diesel and gas
> > Liberties? Comments?
> >
> > Q7. What are the maintenance intervals and is there anything
really
> > unusual? I am familiar with diesel engines as I have a Power
Stroke in
> > a Ford, a Kabota in a farm tractor and a Cummins in a Bluebird,
but
> > have no experience with small automotive applications. I
understand
> > that 4 wheel drive is a little more intensive service wise, but
I am
> > asking about anything that is really unusual.
> >
> > Q8. My take is the Sport might be a better choice for me in that
there
> > are fewer ammenities to cause nit-noid problems. Comments?
> >
> > Thank you for your responses in advance and for bearing with a
newbe
> > wanabe.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Scoggins
>

[scoggins_jim]

Scott:
Where does Jay Darst live?
>
>
> -

[Dan Darst]

Hi Jim.
Been offroading a Landrover for the past nine years, once in CA otherwise in
NA. Bought the factory shop manual for it and found a section on the VM 2.5
liter diesel engine. VM stands for Vancini and Martelli, a 50 year company
in the north of Italy that makes these engines. Their engines have been in
North America for thirty years in industrial and marine applications. They
were recently bought by Detroit Diesel of Cento, Italy. These engines are
widely used in Brazil in Ford Ranger pickup trucks. Engines are manufactured
using robotics in Cento.

I got tired of waiting for this engine in a LWB Rubicon and went on and
bought the gas, but still waiting.

Noticed that the cam timing is driven by a tooth belt instead of a chain.
Not to my liking. Good luck.

Jay is the salesman, I'm the nuts and bolts.

dandarst86fc35rbhuntleyil.

>From: "scoggins_jim" <scoggins.j@...>
>Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Jeep Liberty as a TOAD?
>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:23:24 -0000
>
>I am considering buying an 06 Liberty diesel and have a few questions
> > of you. The vehicle will be used as a TOAD behind a motor coach. I
> > have been towing a 91 Wrangler and am more than satisfied regarding
> > the ease of use as a tow vehicle. I have no intention to use it for
> > serious off roading: Snow and mud will usually be the worst case.
> > Power line trails and logging roads will be used occassionally.
> >
> > I understand brand loyalty but please try to be intellectually honest
> > with your answers. If my questions are redundant please refer me to
> > the appropriate sites.
> >
> > Q1. Many all wheel drive vehicles are restricted from being towed 4
> > wheels down. This does not appear to be the case in Jeep. What pros
> > and cons are there regarding the two choices: Select-Trac and
> > Command-Trac.
> > It seems that the Command Trac might be a simple system with less
> > moving parts.
> >
> > Q2. Other than the amenities, are there any substantive differences
> > between the Sport and LE. Stated otherwise, is there something in the
> > LE that it of such over-riding importance, performance wide, that is
> > worth the extra expense and weight.
> >
> > Q3. Do you all see any need for the skid plates. I sense, given the
> > way I screw things up, they could be handy after I have gotten in
> > over my head.
> >
> > Q4. I have been unable to find any real information on the diesel
> > engine. I understand it is of Euro linage but who and where. Rumor
> > mill says built in Italy. Have there been any real issues with this
> > engine?
> >
> > Q5. I have been lurking and skulking about on this web site trying to
> > get some insight on issues. There seems to be some goofy items: Water
> > spots on seats, weird lighting issues, moaning brakes, etc. Other some
> > ball joint issues I have not seen anything really bad. Everyone seems
> > happy with engines and drive trains. Is this the case, or are there
> > drive train issues I have not picked up on. By he way, does a heay
> > applicaon of Scoch Guard, solve the seat spotting problem.
> >
> > Q6. Are there any of you that have owned both a diesel and gas
> > Liberties? Comments?
> >
> > Q7. What are the maintenance intervals and is there anything really
> > unusual? I am familiar with diesel engines as I have a Power Stroke in
> > a Ford, a Kabota in a farm tractor and a Cummins in a Bluebird, but
> > have no experience with small automotive applications. I understand
> > that 4 wheel drive is a little more intensive service wise, but I am
> > asking about anything that is really unusual.
> >
> > Q8. My take is the Sport might be a better choice for me in that there
> > are fewer ammenities to cause nit-noid problems. Comments?
> >
> > Thank you for your responses in advance and for bearing with a newbe
> > wanabe.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Scoggins
>
>
>

[John]

Jim,

Jay Darts lives in central Illinois, his dealership web site is;

http://www.hprcars.com/


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--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
<scoggins.j@a...> wrote:
>
> Scott:
> Where does Jay Darst live?
> >
> >
> > -
>

[ED GARDELS]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
<scoggins.j@a...> wrote:
>
Jim- You might consider a Honda CRV. I have towed one for four
years. You can tow either auto or manual(mine is auto). It gets way
over 20 mi/gal and is around 20k.
Ed gardels 89sp
Arlington Tx


> I am considering buying an 06 Liberty diesel and have a few
questions
> > of you. The vehicle will be used as a TOAD behind a motor coach.
I
> > have been towing a 91 Wrangler and am more than satisfied
regarding
> > the ease of use as a tow vehicle. I have no intention to use it
for
> > serious off roading: Snow and mud will usually be the worst case.
> > Power line trails and logging roads will be used occassionally.
> >
> > I understand brand loyalty but please try to be intellectually
honest
> > with your answers. If my questions are redundant please refer me
to
> > the appropriate sites.
> >
> > Q1. Many all wheel drive vehicles are restricted from being
towed 4
> > wheels down. This does not appear to be the case in Jeep. What
pros
> > and cons are there regarding the two choices: Select-Trac and
> > Command-Trac.
> > It seems that the Command Trac might be a simple system with less
> > moving parts.
> >
> > Q2. Other than the amenities, are there any substantive
differences
> > between the Sport and LE. Stated otherwise, is there something
in the
> > LE that it of such over-riding importance, performance wide,
that is
> > worth the extra expense and weight.
> >
> > Q3. Do you all see any need for the skid plates. I sense, given
the
> > way I screw things up, they could be handy after I have gotten
in
> > over my head.
> >
> > Q4. I have been unable to find any real information on the diesel
> > engine. I understand it is of Euro linage but who and where.
Rumor
> > mill says built in Italy. Have there been any real issues with
this
> > engine?
> >
> > Q5. I have been lurking and skulking about on this web site
trying to
> > get some insight on issues. There seems to be some goofy items:
Water
> > spots on seats, weird lighting issues, moaning brakes, etc.
Other some
> > ball joint issues I have not seen anything really bad. Everyone
seems
> > happy with engines and drive trains. Is this the case, or are
there
> > drive train issues I have not picked up on. By he way, does a
heay
> > applicaon of Scoch Guard, solve the seat spotting problem.
> >
> > Q6. Are there any of you that have owned both a diesel and gas
> > Liberties? Comments?
> >
> > Q7. What are the maintenance intervals and is there anything
really
> > unusual? I am familiar with diesel engines as I have a Power
Stroke in
> > a Ford, a Kabota in a farm tractor and a Cummins in a Bluebird,
but
> > have no experience with small automotive applications. I
understand
> > that 4 wheel drive is a little more intensive service wise, but
I am
> > asking about anything that is really unusual.
> >
> > Q8. My take is the Sport might be a better choice for me in that
there
> > are fewer ammenities to cause nit-noid problems. Comments?
> >
> > Thank you for your responses in advance and for bearing with a
newbe
> > wanabe.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Scoggins
>

[Jay Darst]

Jim,

Met you at RIV2003, once in the fair grounds, I was parked about 3
busses behind you on the same side of the street...

Anyhow, Jeep Liberty Diesel Toads...
Great fuel mielage, great power, not noisey, burn clean, lotsa
torque AND horsepower, decent room, slightly narrower than Grand
Cherokee, Still enough room for 6' driver and passenger. These are
very agile, easy to manuever, turn very sharp. So far, we have had
comparitively less trouble with Libery's than other vehilces. My
service manager will say they don't get much warranty on the Liberty.

We've sold only a hand full of the Diesels. I have personally
followed up with these owners, wanted good information about their
experience with the diesel. EVERY one of them are VERY satisfied
with their Liberty CRD.

If you shop the used market for a Liberty, the 2004's have a pretty
choppy ride. The 2005 and newer Liberty's ride far better!

The Liberty Sport, which is considered the base unit, is actually
very well equipped. The list of standard equipment is L O N G.
A/C, 20.5gal fuel tank, am/fm/cd w/6 speakers, multi-stage air bags,
all speed traction control, 4 wheel anti-lock brakes, Cargo tie down
loops, command trac HD transfer case, electronic stability program,
floor mats, tinted glass, full size spare, halogens heradlamps,
power convenience group(illuminated entry,pwr mirrors-that can fold,
remote keyless entry, speed sensitive pawer locks), power windows,
rear defroster and wiper, lighted vanity mirrors, tilt wheel, tinted
glass, intermittent wipers, and Trail Rated.(trail rated with regard
to the following 4 areas: Traction-Articulation-Ground Clearance-
Water Fording)

All this for a base list price of $25,780, invoice is $24,493

My Bluebird buddies from around the country would pay only $21,993
plus tax, lic & title in your state. This is invoice less $1,500 in
midwest rebate and less $1,000 Chrysler Financial cash(Rebate).
Chrysler financial cash is avaulable contingent on you financing
with them for a period(not less than 3 months).

The Liberty's that are 20K or under are gas 2x4 6spd, base, base,
base. Not towable easily.

Tow this unit by placing the transfer case in neutral.

Thanks to the rest of you for your kind words, appreciate all the
help I can get! Factory sets me up each month when we exceed our
volume quota. Example: dealers in my zone sold 65% of their quota,
we sold 230%, with second place selling 110%. There was no 3rd
place, not even close.

So if I'm going to sell a few at cost, they're going to some good
people who maybe would not have come to IL to buy their next new
ride had they not got a GREAT deal.

We have Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC, so good variety all
at 1 location! We are just west of I-57 on Route 121, near Mattoon,
IL. We have a web site, http://www.HPRCars.com. Take a look, if you want
some pictures sent to you, say the word, my I-Net manager will see
to it you get them promptly.

OK, enough CARBIZ ;-)

Thanks for asking!
Jay Darst, Owner
HPR Automotive Superstore
Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
1320 West Jackson
Sullivan, IL 61951
217-728-4366
800-447-3545(if you are in a state bordering IL)
217-971-0036cell


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
<scoggins.j@a...> wrote:
>
> I am considering buying an 06 Liberty diesel and have a few
questions
> > of you. The vehicle will be used as a TOAD behind a motor coach.
I
> > have been towing a 91 Wrangler and am more than satisfied
regarding
> > the ease of use as a tow vehicle. I have no intention to use it
for
> > serious off roading: Snow and mud will usually be the worst case.
> > Power line trails and logging roads will be used occassionally.
> >
> > I understand brand loyalty but please try to be intellectually
honest
> > with your answers. If my questions are redundant please refer me
to
> > the appropriate sites.
> >
> > Q1. Many all wheel drive vehicles are restricted from being
towed 4
> > wheels down. This does not appear to be the case in Jeep. What
pros
> > and cons are there regarding the two choices: Select-Trac and
> > Command-Trac.
> > It seems that the Command Trac might be a simple system with less
> > moving parts.
> >
> > Q2. Other than the amenities, are there any substantive
differences
> > between the Sport and LE. Stated otherwise, is there something
in the
> > LE that it of such over-riding importance, performance wide,
that is
> > worth the extra expense and weight.
> >
> > Q3. Do you all see any need for the skid plates. I sense, given
the
> > way I screw things up, they could be handy after I have gotten
in
> > over my head.
> >
> > Q4. I have been unable to find any real information on the diesel
> > engine. I understand it is of Euro linage but who and where.
Rumor
> > mill says built in Italy. Have there been any real issues with
this
> > engine?
> >
> > Q5. I have been lurking and skulking about on this web site
trying to
> > get some insight on issues. There seems to be some goofy items:
Water
> > spots on seats, weird lighting issues, moaning brakes, etc.
Other some
> > ball joint issues I have not seen anything really bad. Everyone
seems
> > happy with engines and drive trains. Is this the case, or are
there
> > drive train issues I have not picked up on. By he way, does a
heay
> > applicaon of Scoch Guard, solve the seat spotting problem.
> >
> > Q6. Are there any of you that have owned both a diesel and gas
> > Liberties? Comments?
> >
> > Q7. What are the maintenance intervals and is there anything
really
> > unusual? I am familiar with diesel engines as I have a Power
Stroke in
> > a Ford, a Kabota in a farm tractor and a Cummins in a Bluebird,
but
> > have no experience with small automotive applications. I
understand
> > that 4 wheel drive is a little more intensive service wise, but
I am
> > asking about anything that is really unusual.
> >
> > Q8. My take is the Sport might be a better choice for me in that
there
> > are fewer ammenities to cause nit-noid problems. Comments?
> >
> > Thank you for your responses in advance and for bearing with a
newbe
> > wanabe.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Scoggins
>

[Scott]

Jay, great post..That is why I suggested they contact you ...I like
the NO BS approach for the BB owners..Thanks (now if I just got my
300M from you we would be getting somewhere) Make plans to come to
the Myrtle Beach Rally..would love to see you again. Bring your Bro
as well...

Take care

Scott B
86FC35 "RUBY"
Murrells Inlet SC "right next to heaven"

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Met you at RIV2003, once in the fair grounds, I was parked about 3
> busses behind you on the same side of the street...
>
> Anyhow, Jeep Liberty Diesel Toads...
> Great fuel mielage, great power, not noisey, burn clean, lotsa
> torque AND horsepower, decent room, slightly narrower than Grand
> Cherokee, Still enough room for 6' driver and passenger. These are
> very agile, easy to manuever, turn very sharp. So far, we have had
> comparitively less trouble with Libery's than other vehilces. My
> service manager will say they don't get much warranty on the
Liberty.
>
> We've sold only a hand full of the Diesels. I have personally
> followed up with these owners, wanted good information about their
> experience with the diesel. EVERY one of them are VERY satisfied
> with their Liberty CRD.
>
> If you shop the used market for a Liberty, the 2004's have a pretty
> choppy ride. The 2005 and newer Liberty's ride far better!
>
> The Liberty Sport, which is considered the base unit, is actually
> very well equipped. The list of standard equipment is L O N G.
> A/C, 20.5gal fuel tank, am/fm/cd w/6 speakers, multi-stage air
bags,
> all speed traction control, 4 wheel anti-lock brakes, Cargo tie
down
> loops, command trac HD transfer case, electronic stability program,
> floor mats, tinted glass, full size spare, halogens heradlamps,
> power convenience group(illuminated entry,pwr mirrors-that can
fold,
> remote keyless entry, speed sensitive pawer locks), power windows,
> rear defroster and wiper, lighted vanity mirrors, tilt wheel,
tinted
> glass, intermittent wipers, and Trail Rated.(trail rated with
regard
> to the following 4 areas: Traction-Articulation-Ground Clearance-
> Water Fording)
>
> All this for a base list price of $25,780, invoice is $24,493
>
> My Bluebird buddies from around the country would pay only $21,993
> plus tax, lic & title in your state. This is invoice less $1,500 in
> midwest rebate and less $1,000 Chrysler Financial cash(Rebate).
> Chrysler financial cash is avaulable contingent on you financing
> with them for a period(not less than 3 months).
>
> The Liberty's that are 20K or under are gas 2x4 6spd, base, base,
> base. Not towable easily.
>
> Tow this unit by placing the transfer case in neutral.
>
> Thanks to the rest of you for your kind words, appreciate all the
> help I can get! Factory sets me up each month when we exceed our
> volume quota. Example: dealers in my zone sold 65% of their quota,
> we sold 230%, with second place selling 110%. There was no 3rd
> place, not even close.
>
> So if I'm going to sell a few at cost, they're going to some good
> people who maybe would not have come to IL to buy their next new
> ride had they not got a GREAT deal.
>
> We have Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC, so good variety all
> at 1 location! We are just west of I-57 on Route 121, near Mattoon,
> IL. We have a web site, http://www.HPRCars.com. Take a look, if you want
> some pictures sent to you, say the word, my I-Net manager will see
> to it you get them promptly.
>
> OK, enough CARBIZ ;-)
>
> Thanks for asking!
> Jay Darst, Owner
> HPR Automotive Superstore
> Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> 1320 West Jackson
> Sullivan, IL 61951
> 217-728-4366
> 800-447-3545(if you are in a state bordering IL)
> 217-971-0036cell
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "scoggins_jim"
> <scoggins.j@a...> wrote:
> >
> > I am considering buying an 06 Liberty diesel and have a few
> questions
> > > of you. The vehicle will be used as a TOAD behind a motor
coach.
> I
> > > have been towing a 91 Wrangler and am more than satisfied
> regarding
> > > the ease of use as a tow vehicle. I have no intention to use it
> for
> > > serious off roading: Snow and mud will usually be the worst
case.
> > > Power line trails and logging roads will be used occassionally.
> > >
> > > I understand brand loyalty but please try to be intellectually
> honest
> > > with your answers. If my questions are redundant please refer
me
> to
> > > the appropriate sites.
> > >
> > > Q1. Many all wheel drive vehicles are restricted from being
> towed 4
> > > wheels down. This does not appear to be the case in Jeep. What
> pros
> > > and cons are there regarding the two choices: Select-Trac and
> > > Command-Trac.
> > > It seems that the Command Trac might be a simple system with
less
> > > moving parts.
> > >
> > > Q2. Other than the amenities, are there any substantive
> differences
> > > between the Sport and LE. Stated otherwise, is there something
> in the
> > > LE that it of such over-riding importance, performance wide,
> that is
> > > worth the extra expense and weight.
> > >
> > > Q3. Do you all see any need for the skid plates. I sense, given
> the
> > > way I screw things up, they could be handy after I have gotten
> in
> > > over my head.
> > >
> > > Q4. I have been unable to find any real information on the
diesel
> > > engine. I understand it is of Euro linage but who and where.
> Rumor
> > > mill says built in Italy. Have there been any real issues with
> this
> > > engine?
> > >
> > > Q5. I have been lurking and skulking about on this web site
> trying to
> > > get some insight on issues. There seems to be some goofy items:
> Water
> > > spots on seats, weird lighting issues, moaning brakes, etc.
> Other some
> > > ball joint issues I have not seen anything really bad. Everyone
> seems
> > > happy with engines and drive trains. Is this the case, or are
> there
> > > drive train issues I have not picked up on. By he way, does a
> heay
> > > applicaon of Scoch Guard, solve the seat spotting problem.
> > >
> > > Q6. Are there any of you that have owned both a diesel and gas
> > > Liberties? Comments?
> > >
> > > Q7. What are the maintenance intervals and is there anything
> really
> > > unusual? I am familiar with diesel engines as I have a Power
> Stroke in
> > > a Ford, a Kabota in a farm tractor and a Cummins in a Bluebird,
> but
> > > have no experience with small automotive applications. I
> understand
> > > that 4 wheel drive is a little more intensive service wise, but
> I am
> > > asking about anything that is really unusual.
> > >
> > > Q8. My take is the Sport might be a better choice for me in
that
> there
> > > are fewer ammenities to cause nit-noid problems. Comments?
> > >
> > > Thank you for your responses in advance and for bearing with a
> newbe
> > > wanabe.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jim Scoggins
> >
>