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Water Leaks!
03-04-2006, 14:35
Post: #1
Water Leaks!
Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
Any ideas????? HELP!!!


Stephen
81 FC-33SB
Plant City, FL
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03-04-2006, 14:40
Post: #2
Water Leaks!
If you can't get to the breaks (and the experts here will clarify that) then I
would look at snaking in new lines to bypass those unreachable buggers.

Rob, Sue & Merlin
94 WLWB


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03-04-2006, 14:52
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Water Leaks!
Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks like I am
going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace them. The ones that had
not burst were expanded so that none of the standard fittings will work. So, to
do it right I have decided to replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to
be resistant to bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work
with in tight areas.

I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart, but I still
have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the next few days . . . one
way or the other.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!


Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
Any ideas????? HELP!!!


Stephen
81 FC-33SB
Plant City, FL







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03-04-2006, 16:57
Post: #4
Water Leaks!
The fact that you both have frozen pipes begs the question of whether
either of you properly followed the procedures for winterizing your
fresh, grey and black water systems that is outlined in your owners manuals?

tom warner
1982 FC35
Vernon center,NY

At 09:52 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
>Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks
>like I am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace
>them. The ones that had not burst were expanded so that none of the
>standard fittings will work. So, to do it right I have decided to
>replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to be resistant to
>bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work with in
>tight areas.
>
>I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart,
>but I still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the
>next few days . . . one way or the other.
>
>Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
>Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
>1983 WL FC35RB
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> Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
> Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
> pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
> north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
> there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
> going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
> Any ideas????? HELP!!!
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> Stephen
> 81 FC-33SB
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03-04-2006, 17:24
Post: #5
Water Leaks!
Bruce-



I know what your going through! I removed the water tank, and replaced all
of them going forward (hot and cold) now, having to go forward still from
the kitchen sink forward to bath. running into problems removing old pipes,
they are wrapped in that blue heat strip wire, and zip tied to each other
(and the propane lines). If I can get them untied, and slip them out one, by
one, I think I will be ok.



It's difficult behind the stove and shower. I need to find out how to get
behind there... maybe take out the drawers under the stove top? Or the
furnace below the drawers? Not sure.. If you have any suggestions..???



Stephen

81 FC-33 SB

Plant City, Fl







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Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!



Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks like I
am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace them. The ones
that had not burst were expanded so that none of the standard fittings will
work. So, to do it right I have decided to replace the copper with PEX
which is supposed to be resistant to bursting if frozen and it supposed to
be much easier to work with in tight areas.

I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart, but I
still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the next few days .
. . one way or the other.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!


Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
Any ideas????? HELP!!!


Stephen
81 FC-33SB
Plant City, FL







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03-04-2006, 17:26
Post: #6
Water Leaks!
Oh, and By the way-





I am replacing all my pipes with the PEX tubing also- Blue for cold, and
Red for hot.





No more Copper!!!!!!!



Stephen

81 FC-33SB

Plant City, Fl











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Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!



Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks like I
am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace them. The ones
that had not burst were expanded so that none of the standard fittings will
work. So, to do it right I have decided to replace the copper with PEX
which is supposed to be resistant to bursting if frozen and it supposed to
be much easier to work with in tight areas.

I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart, but I
still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the next few days .
. . one way or the other.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!


Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
Any ideas????? HELP!!!


Stephen
81 FC-33SB
Plant City, FL







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03-04-2006, 20:04
Post: #7
Water Leaks!
Stephen, at this point I have removed all of the drawers, backing that comes
out, and anything else I can find that is in front of my pipes.

The zip ties you can cut with a diagonal cutter. The Blue heat tape in my Bird
has already been cut (at least some of it) and the rest is unplugged for some
reason.
I haven't decided what if anything I am going to do about the heat tape. I keep
heat in my Bird when it is cold, but of course that doesn't mean it is going to
keep the areas that the pipes run in warm enough. I'll have to do some research
and find out how the blue stuff works. I'm not familiar with it and from what I
understand it is supposed to be thermostatically controlled by the dielectric in
the tape itself which is somehow temperature sensitive. I guess if it is still
available it might be a good idea to run it with the pipes.

One of the tools I bought to hopefully help remove copper pipes is a ratcheting
pipe cutter. It goes up to 1/2 inch, but they make a larger one for over 1/2
inch if I need it. With that I can slip it onto the pipe and then ratchet it
with whatever room I have. It is self tightening and in time will cut through
the pipe as well as a regular pipe cutter. I'm crossing my fingers that it will
work like I think it will.

We live and learn. Just have to keep remembering that we are having a good time
and working on our Birds is fun and rewarding.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
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Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:24 AM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!


Bruce-



I know what your going through! I removed the water tank, and replaced all
of them going forward (hot and cold) now, having to go forward still from
the kitchen sink forward to bath. running into problems removing old pipes,
they are wrapped in that blue heat strip wire, and zip tied to each other
(and the propane lines). If I can get them untied, and slip them out one, by
one, I think I will be ok.



It's difficult behind the stove and shower. I need to find out how to get
behind there... maybe take out the drawers under the stove top? Or the
furnace below the drawers? Not sure.. If you have any suggestions..???



Stephen

81 FC-33 SB

Plant City, Fl







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Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!



Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks like I
am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace them. The ones
that had not burst were expanded so that none of the standard fittings will
work. So, to do it right I have decided to replace the copper with PEX
which is supposed to be resistant to bursting if frozen and it supposed to
be much easier to work with in tight areas.

I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart, but I
still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the next few days .
. . one way or the other.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!


Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
Any ideas????? HELP!!!


Stephen
81 FC-33SB
Plant City, FL







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Water Leaks!
with that pex tubing, you have to have a special crimper for the joints and
those babies are expensive. ernie-83pt40 in louisiana


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Water Leaks!
Well Tom, as I said earlier I don't winterize my Bird but I do keep it connected
to electricity and keep heat in it when it gets too cold. Maybe it's just a
"Bruce" thing.

I know that my Bird came from New Hampshire where it probably got cold enough to
be a problem. All of the problems I have encountered did not occur on my watch,
but I have to deal with them. I suspect the same thing is true of Bruce in
Florida too since I believe he just bought the coach from someplace up north.

So I guess you are right neither one of us followed the procedures as outlined
in the Blue Box.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Warner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!


The fact that you both have frozen pipes begs the question of whether
either of you properly followed the procedures for winterizing your
fresh, grey and black water systems that is outlined in your owners manuals?

tom warner
1982 FC35
Vernon center,NY

At 09:52 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:
>Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks
>like I am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace
>them. The ones that had not burst were expanded so that none of the
>standard fittings will work. So, to do it right I have decided to
>replace the copper with PEX which is supposed to be resistant to
>bursting if frozen and it supposed to be much easier to work with in
>tight areas.
>
>I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart,
>but I still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the
>next few days . . . one way or the other.
>
>Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!
>
>
> Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
> Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
> pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
> north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
> there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
> going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
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> Stephen
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> Plant City, FL
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Post: #10
Water Leaks!
Bruce-



I am getting rid of my blue wire, as I wont need it anymore here in Florida,
and don't plan on going any ware that cold! Plus, I drain my pipes properly
if I don't use my coach for awhile anyway.



I will get into removing drawers, ECT this week. I had to take a break this
weekend, as I spent Friday night, and all day Saturday removing the water
tank and the old pipes behind there-and only to find out more broken pipes-
somewhere-



I will keep you updated. Just hope nothing behind the shower is busted!



Stephen

81 FC-33SB

Plant City, Fl







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Stephen, at this point I have removed all of the drawers, backing that comes
out, and anything else I can find that is in front of my pipes.

The zip ties you can cut with a diagonal cutter. The Blue heat tape in my
Bird has already been cut (at least some of it) and the rest is unplugged
for some reason.
I haven't decided what if anything I am going to do about the heat tape. I
keep heat in my Bird when it is cold, but of course that doesn't mean it is
going to keep the areas that the pipes run in warm enough. I'll have to do
some research and find out how the blue stuff works. I'm not familiar with
it and from what I understand it is supposed to be thermostatically
controlled by the dielectric in the tape itself which is somehow temperature
sensitive. I guess if it is still available it might be a good idea to run
it with the pipes.

One of the tools I bought to hopefully help remove copper pipes is a
ratcheting pipe cutter. It goes up to 1/2 inch, but they make a larger one
for over 1/2 inch if I need it. With that I can slip it onto the pipe and
then ratchet it with whatever room I have. It is self tightening and in
time will cut through the pipe as well as a regular pipe cutter. I'm
crossing my fingers that it will work like I think it will.

We live and learn. Just have to keep remembering that we are having a good
time and working on our Birds is fun and rewarding.

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Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:24 AM
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Bruce-



I know what your going through! I removed the water tank, and replaced all
of them going forward (hot and cold) now, having to go forward still from
the kitchen sink forward to bath. running into problems removing old
pipes,
they are wrapped in that blue heat strip wire, and zip tied to each other
(and the propane lines). If I can get them untied, and slip them out one,
by
one, I think I will be ok.



It's difficult behind the stove and shower. I need to find out how to get
behind there... maybe take out the drawers under the stove top? Or the
furnace below the drawers? Not sure.. If you have any suggestions..???



Stephen

81 FC-33 SB

Plant City, Fl







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Stephen, that is exactly what I am doing with my Bird now. It looks like
I
am going to have to remove most of the pipes and replace them. The ones
that had not burst were expanded so that none of the standard fittings
will
work. So, to do it right I have decided to replace the copper with PEX
which is supposed to be resistant to bursting if frozen and it supposed to
be much easier to work with in tight areas.

I have some pictures on the WOO site where I have taken mine apart, but I
still have to put the new in yet. I will be doing it in the next few days
.
. . one way or the other.

Bruce Morris (919)872-7635 Raleigh, NC
Webmaster - Wanderlodge Owners Online
1983 WL FC35RB

FMCA: 7142s Ham Radio: KI4ME
Vietnam Vet - 1966-67 'Doc' (Navy Corpsman) 3rd MarDiv
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Water Leaks!


Anyone else out there had to deal with what Im going through? I have
Niagra Falls running through my bus... Almost ALL of the copper water
pipes are busted...(I guess thats what I get for buying a unit from up
north) I got 3 repaired today --after removing the water tank- and now
there are more behind the stove-ice maker area!! I dont know how im
going to get those out from behind there, and the shower area(SB).....
Any ideas????? HELP!!!


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Plant City, FL







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