bio Diesel

[Mike Hohnstein]

Mixing petro with the veg oil sounds unlikely, and the lack of technical
information regarding the "process" used doesn't impress me. From what I have
learned, burning waste oil to heat my building is that you can use either petro
or veg oil but do not mix. True bio diesel has the glycerin stripped out and
seems to mix successfuly with petro fuel but it still clouds at higher temps
than petro diesel. Bio 10 is probably the best mix at this time for most users,
higher ratios used under advisement.
It seems sensible to me to use a heated fuel tank and supply to burn staight veg
oil and start and shut down on diesel. Pretty normal system successfully used
by many people and it saves the hassle of processing the used oil, when I get to
the point I have more time than money, I'll go that direction.
Mike Hohnstein
Germantown, WI
83FC35
----- Original Message -----
From: fl_bluebird_1983
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: bio Diesel


Check out this site http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html
I have to agree with AL, everything I have read says it "should" be
cleaner, but you can't argue with the facts on the ground that you
have seen. I wonder if the "slime" is from storage tank deposits or
if they mixed it with a lower grade diesel? Some peoples idea of
biodiesel is to mix used cooking oil with diesel, WRONG that will
cause problems like you have stated. I doubt that anyone would do
that to a brand new truck! check out this link to a guy that is doing
just that http://tinyurl.com/qo5o3

Thanks
Bruce
'83FCSB
"Blue Skies" still reasearching biodiesel, collecting parts for
processor

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> Al,
>
> The Diesels trucks we are having troubles with have less than
10,000
> miles on them. 2 of them had 4,000 miles on them when we changed
the
> filters under warranty for a 2nd time.
>
> The trucks symptoms were simply no power. Changed the fuel filter
> and off they go again.
>
> We have been cutting open the filters lately, the last 5 or 6 have
> had a brownish slime coating the element.
>
> I know for a fact that the 2 trucks mentioned were ordered by the
> customers, built promptly by GM, delivered to customers within a
day
> or 2 of their arrival and been driven daily since using 11% Bio-
> Diesel.
>
> My service team is in contact with GM techline working on a
> solution. Gm techline has informed us that they will void the fuel
> system warranty on any vehicle that has more than a 5% biodiesel
> mixture in its fuel system.
>
> The DaimlerChrysler folks have sent us a bulletin that indicates
> that any fuel above 5% Bio has caused the high pressure injection
> pumps to fail due to lack of lubrication to the fuel pump. They
too,
> are voiding the pump warranty on anything over 5%.
>
> We are in the farmimg belt, where they make 70bu/acre soybeans and
> 225bu/acre corn, my store is in a big farming community. I sure
> would rather see us burning 100% Bio, certainly would make my
buyers
> buy more!
>
> If there is a petroleum engineer on this forum who can provide us
> the answer, we certainly are listening.
>
> Thanks
> Jay Darst
> HPR Automotive Superstore
> Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> Sullivan, IL
> Service Director Bob Freeman
> 217-728-4366 voice phone
>
> 85PT40 6V92 burning 11% BioDiesel and still changing Racor fuel
> filters at every oil change for 3 years and 40,000 miles.
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
> >
> > Jay,
> > Actually, biodiesel is a very good solvent. So it's not the
> > fuel that is dirty. Basically, biodiesel is cleaning out years
of
> > petro build-up. If you don't believe me, take a very dirty
engine
> > and put diesel on it and let it sit for 5 minutes and rinse.
> > Nothing comes off the engine. Put the biodiesel on it and rinse
> and
> > it will clean engine better than any off the shelf engine
> cleaner.
> > Plus biodiesel is derived from plants so it is a renewable
> resourse
> > unlike the petro we by from our friends in the middle east now
> over
> > $75 a barrel. Generally after a couple of tanks, your system
will
> > be cleaned out and the freq. filter changes will go away.
> >
> > Al Johnson
> > 96 BMC
> > Mandeville, Louisiana
> > Currently in Chongqing, China.
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Guy,
> > > I have not been exposed to the B20 blend of Bio diesel.
> > >
> > > But would like to make a comment here...
> > >
> > > The local distributor(in Sullivan,IL) only sells the 11% bio-
> blend.
> > >
> > > With the late model GMC Duramax Diesels, we have found
> consistency
> > > in the need to replace the fuel filter every 2,000 miles when
> > using
> > > this 11% Bio-Diesel.
> > >
> > > In the Cummins, no problems such as this.
> > >
> > > We have a GMC customer who has replaced the OEM factory filter
> > with
> > > a Racor, don't know which micron filter element he is using...
> > >
> > > Seems that the 11% Bio-Diesel has a thicker viscosity making it
> > > harder to filter the crap out prior to selling it to the
> retailers.
> > >
> > > I buy most of my fuel from this place, I get 6.4mpg with it.
> Used
> > to
> > > get 5.5 to 6.0 with Flying J fuel, but its about the same now.
> The
> > > real point here is, my Racor element is covered with a black
> slime
> > > when the filter is changed every 5,000 miles, when the DD oil &
> > > filter change is performed.
> > >
> > > I use Lucas fuel treatment at the rate of 1 gallon per 400
> > gallons
> > > of diesel, should be sufficient to prevent algae/plant growth
in
> > my
> > > fuel.
> > >
> > > Bottom line here, Bio-Diesel is not as clean as fossil fuel.
> > >
> > > My brother Dan has mentioned that the powers that be are
> changing
> > > the diesel fuel chemical mix in September, causing a very minor
> > > reduction in the cetane(like Octane is to gasoline).
> > >
> > > Diesel fuel, seems like a moving target right now ...;~}
> > >
> > > Later
> > > Jay Darst
> > > 85PT40
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "guysmalley"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Has anybody actually tried B20 bio diesel blend?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel...lingsites/
> > > >
> > > > guy smalley
> > > > 86 pt 40
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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