bio Diesel

[Al]

Hi Jay,
Looks like I am getting feedback from the biodiesel and
biodieselbasics forums and several people think this is an algea
buildup which will clog filters. If your customer comes back, I
would suggest you treat his tank with an algea cleaner. As you
probably know, if he has algea in the tank, changing the filter is a
temporary solution till his filter collects enough algea to clog the
filter again. He should also report to the fueling station so that
can treat their tank.

Al & Kathy Johnson
Mandeville, Louisiana
'96 BMC B20
'93 Dodge Diesel B100
'03 Dodge Diesel B100
Currently in Chongqing, China heading to Hong Kong


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
wrote:
>
> Al,
>
> I really am NOT taking a position here. I have listed my
experiences
> with Bio-diesel.
>
> We have discovered a consistency among our customers that have
been
> buying fuel from the Bio distributor. Our customers that buy their
> fuel from the non Bio retailer have had no issues.
>
> This, along with the manufacturers statements of warranty
component
> exceptions, leaves a bit of concern in my mind.
>
> I have no plans to study diesel fuel technology, I am certainly
not
> qualified to draw any conclusions in that area.
>
> More power to you that are interested in researching Bio.
Hopefully
> you will find an explanation and a working solution.
>
> No arguments here!
>
> ;~}
>
> Jay Darst
> A car salesman, not a petro engineer
> 85Pt40
> Spfld, IL
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
> >
> > Jay,
> > I participate in two other biodiesel forums and I have
> requested
> > some backup help from these groups. I have been involved in the
> > biodiesel movement for about 3 years. Started making fuel about
a
> > year ago after I did 2 years of research to make sure I knew
what
> I
> > was getting into. In the next day or two, I should have some
more
> > information hopefully from them since I am no chemistry expert.
> > These groups in case someone else is interested in learning
about
> > biodiesel is: biodiesel and biodieselbasics.
> >
> > In addition, a website to learn about it is:
> > http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
> >
> > Here is a person that has alot of expertise in the biodiesel
> > community. She travels over the US training people how to make
> ASTM
> > quality fuel at the home level.
> > http://girlmark.com/
> >
> > Here is the caption I put to the above groups looking for more
> > information: "I need some help clarifying my position that bio-
> > diesel is a solvent and cleans out the fuel system plus adds
more
> > lubrication to the fuel system than diesel. Please read over
the
> > complete message and give me some thoughts so I can summarize to
> the
> > Wanderlodge group.
> > Or if you like, please jion the group and chime in. More
knowledge
> > is needed.
> > Al Johnson
> > Mandeville, Louisiana"
> >
> > I am not trying to be compative, just trying to give the facts
as
> I
> > know it. Plus like you said, if this alternative fuel were to
> catch
> > on, what a spur to our economy especially the farming
> communities.
> > Not to mention, the cleaner air we breath. Please take some
time
> to
> > look over the above information and draw your own conclusion.
> >
> > Al Johnson
> > '96 BMC B20
> > '93 Dodge B100
> > '03 Dodge D100
> > Mandeville, Louisiana
> > Currently in Chongqing, China till end of month
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Al,
> > >
> > > The Diesels trucks we are having troubles with have less than
> > 10,000
> > > miles on them. 2 of them had 4,000 miles on them when we
changed
> > the
> > > filters under warranty for a 2nd time.
> > >
> > > The trucks symptoms were simply no power. Changed the fuel
> filter
> > > and off they go again.
> > >
> > > We have been cutting open the filters lately, the last 5 or 6
> have
> > > had a brownish slime coating the element.
> > >
> > > I know for a fact that the 2 trucks mentioned were ordered by
> the
> > > customers, built promptly by GM, delivered to customers within
a
> > day
> > > or 2 of their arrival and been driven daily since using 11%
Bio-
> > > Diesel.
> > >
> > > My service team is in contact with GM techline working on a
> > > solution. Gm techline has informed us that they will void the
> fuel
> > > system warranty on any vehicle that has more than a 5%
biodiesel
> > > mixture in its fuel system.
> > >
> > > The DaimlerChrysler folks have sent us a bulletin that
indicates
> > > that any fuel above 5% Bio has caused the high pressure
> injection
> > > pumps to fail due to lack of lubrication to the fuel pump.
They
> > too,
> > > are voiding the pump warranty on anything over 5%.
> > >
> > > We are in the farmimg belt, where they make 70bu/acre soybeans
> and
> > > 225bu/acre corn, my store is in a big farming community. I
sure
> > > would rather see us burning 100% Bio, certainly would make my
> > buyers
> > > buy more!
> > >
> > > If there is a petroleum engineer on this forum who can provide
> us
> > > the answer, we certainly are listening.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jay Darst
> > > HPR Automotive Superstore
> > > Chrysler-Dodge-Jeep-Buick-Pontiac-GMC
> > > Sullivan, IL
> > > Service Director Bob Freeman
> > > 217-728-4366 voice phone
> > >
> > > 85PT40 6V92 burning 11% BioDiesel and still changing Racor
fuel
> > > filters at every oil change for 3 years and 40,000 miles.
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jay,
> > > > Actually, biodiesel is a very good solvent. So it's
not
> > the
> > > > fuel that is dirty. Basically, biodiesel is cleaning out
> years
> > of
> > > > petro build-up. If you don't believe me, take a very dirty
> > engine
> > > > and put diesel on it and let it sit for 5 minutes and
rinse.
> > > > Nothing comes off the engine. Put the biodiesel on it and
> rinse
> > > and
> > > > it will clean engine better than any off the shelf engine
> > > cleaner.
> > > > Plus biodiesel is derived from plants so it is a renewable
> > > resourse
> > > > unlike the petro we by from our friends in the middle east
now
> > > over
> > > > $75 a barrel. Generally after a couple of tanks, your
system
> > will
> > > > be cleaned out and the freq. filter changes will go away.
> > > >
> > > > Al Johnson
> > > > 96 BMC
> > > > Mandeville, Louisiana
> > > > Currently in Chongqing, China.
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Darst"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Guy,
> > > > > I have not been exposed to the B20 blend of Bio diesel.
> > > > >
> > > > > But would like to make a comment here...
> > > > >
> > > > > The local distributor(in Sullivan,IL) only sells the 11%
bio-
> > > blend.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the late model GMC Duramax Diesels, we have found
> > > consistency
> > > > > in the need to replace the fuel filter every 2,000 miles
> when
> > > > using
> > > > > this 11% Bio-Diesel.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the Cummins, no problems such as this.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have a GMC customer who has replaced the OEM factory
> filter
> > > > with
> > > > > a Racor, don't know which micron filter element he is
> using...
> > > > >
> > > > > Seems that the 11% Bio-Diesel has a thicker viscosity
making
> > it
> > > > > harder to filter the crap out prior to selling it to the
> > > retailers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I buy most of my fuel from this place, I get 6.4mpg with
it.
> > > Used
> > > > to
> > > > > get 5.5 to 6.0 with Flying J fuel, but its about the same
> now.
> > > The
> > > > > real point here is, my Racor element is covered with a
black
> > > slime
> > > > > when the filter is changed every 5,000 miles, when the DD
> oil
> > &
> > > > > filter change is performed.
> > > > >
> > > > > I use Lucas fuel treatment at the rate of 1 gallon per
400
> > > > gallons
> > > > > of diesel, should be sufficient to prevent algae/plant
> growth
> > in
> > > > my
> > > > > fuel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bottom line here, Bio-Diesel is not as clean as fossil
fuel.
> > > > >
> > > > > My brother Dan has mentioned that the powers that be are
> > > changing
> > > > > the diesel fuel chemical mix in September, causing a very
> > minor
> > > > > reduction in the cetane(like Octane is to gasoline).
> > > > >
> > > > > Diesel fuel, seems like a moving target right now ...;~}
> > > > >
> > > > > Later
> > > > > Jay Darst
> > > > > 85PT40
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "guysmalley"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anybody actually tried B20 bio diesel blend?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel...lingsites/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > guy smalley
> > > > > > 86 pt 40
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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