selling and 15K

[Dan Saari]

For various reasons we have decided to sell our Bluebird but before
we did that we wanted to take a trip with our Grandaughter to
Colorado for a month........To make a long story shorter I will try
my best to not ramble.... First of all NEVER take your eye off your
temp. gauge when in the mountains,,if you need to, put a small sticky
on the windshield that says TEMP... on it .... needless to say
because of 3 factors I overheated my 8v92 to the tune of replacing
everthing but the turbo, block and crank and 2 1/2 weeks without the
coach while in Denver being repaired by Stewert and stevenson (very
good reputable firm)
Back to the 3 factors 1. I was over the pass and not as diligent at
watching the temp. 12 miles later I was on the side of the road 2. my
DEDC temp. senser was defective and off by 20 degress which means the
check engine light came on 20 degress higher then intended.. 3.
someone in my coaches past got a hair brained idea or heard of a way
to better balance the cooling flow ( I hear this was not so uncommin
in the 90s) and installed a 2 1/4 in. washer with a 1/4 in. hole in
the middle, and installed it in the wrong location if in fact you
were to do something as stupid as that........

So Boys and Girls LEARN from my mistake,, Even if you have as I did
those other 2 factors that created my overheating... IF I HAD BEEN
WATCHING THE TEMP AND SHUT IT DOWN IN TIME >> I WOULD STILL HAVE MY
15 K....

I,m still selling the coach ( 92 WLWB 40ft.) someones going to get a
hell of a coach with 102 k mile with basically a new motor...

Any Ideas as to the best place to sell it...I would like to see it go
to someone that will enjoy it as much as we have...Let me
know....DAN.

P.S. there might have been a 4th factor ,, broken hose clamp which
broke on the way up the grade or after it overhheated ?????

[erniecarpet@...]

Dan, contact Kathy Lawrence on Vintage Birds. She can include that ad on the
billboard. We can also do a classified ad on the forum in the Database.

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana



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[davidkerryedwards]

Dan:
I'm sorry about your very expensive engine failure. Could you
elaborate a little more on what happened? It doesn't seem as though
an extra 20 degrees in engine temperature would cause that
catastrophic a failure. Did the engine seize or not run at all
after overheating? What was the purpose of the washer?

Kerry
82 Fc 35
Denver

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Saari"
wrote:
>
>
> For various reasons we have decided to sell our Bluebird but
before
> we did that we wanted to take a trip with our Grandaughter to
> Colorado for a month........To make a long story shorter I will
try
> my best to not ramble.... First of all NEVER take your eye off
your
> temp. gauge when in the mountains,,if you need to, put a small
sticky
> on the windshield that says TEMP... on it .... needless to say
> because of 3 factors I overheated my 8v92 to the tune of replacing
> everthing but the turbo, block and crank and 2 1/2 weeks without
the
> coach while in Denver being repaired by Stewert and stevenson
(very
> good reputable firm)
> Back to the 3 factors 1. I was over the pass and not as diligent
at
> watching the temp. 12 miles later I was on the side of the road 2.
my
> DEDC temp. senser was defective and off by 20 degress which means
the
> check engine light came on 20 degress higher then intended.. 3.
> someone in my coaches past got a hair brained idea or heard of a
way
> to better balance the cooling flow ( I hear this was not so
uncommin
> in the 90s) and installed a 2 1/4 in. washer with a 1/4 in. hole
in
> the middle, and installed it in the wrong location if in fact you
> were to do something as stupid as that........
>
> So Boys and Girls LEARN from my mistake,, Even if you have as I
did
> those other 2 factors that created my overheating... IF I HAD BEEN
> WATCHING THE TEMP AND SHUT IT DOWN IN TIME >> I WOULD STILL HAVE
MY
> 15 K....
>
> I,m still selling the coach ( 92 WLWB 40ft.) someones going to get
a
> hell of a coach with 102 k mile with basically a new motor...
>
> Any Ideas as to the best place to sell it...I would like to see it
go
> to someone that will enjoy it as much as we have...Let me
> know....DAN.
>
> P.S. there might have been a 4th factor ,, broken hose clamp
which
> broke on the way up the grade or after it overhheated ?????
>

[Dan Saari]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
wrote:
>
> Dan:
> I'm sorry about your very expensive engine failure. Could you
> elaborate a little more on what happened? It doesn't seem as
though
> an extra 20 degrees in engine temperature would cause that
> catastrophic a failure. Did the engine seize or not run at all
> after overheating? What was the purpose of the washer?
>
> Kerry
> 82 Fc 35
> Denver
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Saari"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >

Kerry..... 20 degrees does'nt seem like a lot but if the light had
flashed at the preset of 205 degrees you are not yet at a boiling
point and can shut it down, but if the senser did'nt warn me untill
225 at this point you are beyond boiling and pushing water out of
your system for possible 3-5 miles and the more you loose the faster
the temp is rising and an eminent failure can happen REAL fast cause
your 40 feet from the situation and its behind you so you do'nt even
smell the antifreese...

As for the washer type thing...... I got an email today telling me
Bluebird installed them....... I,m looking into this because I would
like to know why they installed them.. I will tell you this, I did
notice a temp. fluxuation on my way back from Colorado without the
washer...I will describe this fluxuation and it only happened in the
evening when the outside temp. was cooler.....the temp gauge would
read 180 and over a span of about 3-4 miles would gradually increase
to about 195,, in a matter of 1 mile it would return to 180 and the
cycle would repeat over and over.....In thinking about this and
wondering about why this would happen at night in cooler weather and
not during the day the common sense of the hole situation (to me at
least) is this...During the day when the outside temp is warmer the
temp. controlled fan runs all the time,consiquently keeping the temp
at the 180 thermostat set.. but in the evening when the outside temp.
lowers, the fan will automatically shut down and the temp will
gradually rise to 195 where the fan is designed to kick in and cool
back to 180,,,,, wallau.. the rise and fall of the temp. fluxuation..

Now if in fact the washer was installed to illiminate this
fluxuation I don't know... I only know this, the guy that overhauled
the motor said that whoever put that washer in there may have had a
purpose in mind, but restricting the flow of cool water to the
drivers side head ( is what it does in that location) is crazy..

I can also tell you that the drivers side exhaust manifold was
cracked and needed to be replaced.. if this was because that side ran
hotter because of the washer,,I don'nt know......

whether that washer should have been installed by Bluebird or
not ,,again I don't know... hopefully we have some 8v92 gorroozzs out
there to jump in on this......LET THE DEBATE BEGIN..... DAN

92 WLWB 40ft.
Depere/ Summerfield..... for sale

[Dan Saari]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Saari"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
> wrote:
> >
> > Dan:
> > I'm sorry about your very expensive engine failure. Could you
> > elaborate a little more on what happened? It doesn't seem as
> though
> > an extra 20 degrees in engine temperature would cause that
> > catastrophic a failure. Did the engine seize or not run at all
> > after overheating? What was the purpose of the washer?
> >
> > Kerry
> > 82 Fc 35
> > Denver
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Saari"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
>
> Kerry..... 20 degrees does'nt seem like a lot but if the light
had
> flashed at the preset of 205 degrees you are not yet at a boiling
> point and can shut it down, but if the senser did'nt warn me untill
> 225 at this point you are beyond boiling and pushing water out of
> your system for possible 3-5 miles and the more you loose the
faster
> the temp is rising and an eminent failure can happen REAL fast
cause
> your 40 feet from the situation and its behind you so you do'nt
even
> smell the antifreese...
>
> As for the washer type thing...... I got an email today telling me
> Bluebird installed them....... I,m looking into this because I
would
> like to know why they installed them.. I will tell you this, I did
> notice a temp. fluxuation on my way back from Colorado without the
> washer...I will describe this fluxuation and it only happened in
the
> evening when the outside temp. was cooler.....the temp gauge would
> read 180 and over a span of about 3-4 miles would gradually
increase
> to about 195,, in a matter of 1 mile it would return to 180 and the
> cycle would repeat over and over.....In thinking about this and
> wondering about why this would happen at night in cooler weather
and
> not during the day the common sense of the hole situation (to me at
> least) is this...During the day when the outside temp is warmer the
> temp. controlled fan runs all the time,consiquently keeping the
temp
> at the 180 thermostat set.. but in the evening when the outside
temp.
> lowers, the fan will automatically shut down and the temp will
> gradually rise to 195 where the fan is designed to kick in and cool
> back to 180,,,,, wallau.. the rise and fall of the temp.
fluxuation..
>
> Now if in fact the washer was installed to illiminate this
> fluxuation I don't know... I only know this, the guy that
overhauled
> the motor said that whoever put that washer in there may have had a
> purpose in mind, but restricting the flow of cool water to the
> drivers side head ( is what it does in that location) is crazy..
>
> I can also tell you that the drivers side exhaust manifold was
> cracked and needed to be replaced.. if this was because that side
ran
> hotter because of the washer,,I don'nt know......
>
> whether that washer should have been installed by Bluebird or
> not ,,again I don't know... hopefully we have some 8v92 gorroozzs
out
> there to jump in on this......LET THE DEBATE BEGIN..... DAN
>
> 92 WLWB 40ft.
> Depere/ Summerfield..... for sale
>


Kerry....... another part of your question I forgot to answer was
about it shutting down.... Within 30 seconds of me spotting the red
check engine light I looked at the gauges and saw the temp gauge all
the way to the max 260 degrees and before I could reach for the key
and pull off in a turn lane to the right ,, it shut itself off or
just quit running and it was at this point I looked in the rear veiw
mirror and saw it steaming,,,, Keep in mind now 12 miles earlier I
had walked around the entire coach and everthing was fine,,, I even
stood between the back of the coach and my tow vehicle and took a
piss so I know there was no smell of antifreeze..... As I,ve said
earlier...things can go to shit in a hurry when going up the
mountains and they can happen FAST... your best defense is watch the
gauges ,,, hwy,gauges,hwy,gauges,hwy gauges........ DAN

[Leroy Eckert]

Dan:
Sorry to hear about your overheat problem. My temp gauge constantly cycles back
and forth between 180 and 200 particularly in cooler temperatures. Generally,
on very hot days where ambient temps are above 90, road surface temp most likely
approaching 120, I will see what I call temperature creep. It will creep up to
200 an stay there if I am pushing it. ( the pyro at approx. 650 and boost of
approx 12) If I stay at 70MPH or slightly less the temp will generally stay
around 190. (the pyro at 550 and boost of about 7) I can reduce the temperature
to the 180 thermostat setting at any time even if I'm pushing it by switching to
fan override. It will hold it there.
Switch the fan override off and the sequence begins again.
Initially I was concerned but after reading the BB manual I found the fan runs
between 400-800RPM normally and approx 1800RPM in override. I have concluded my
coach likes to be driven about 67mph. The extra 8-10mph just burns up fuel and
is hard on the equipment. I'm certainly not a gooroo, just reporting how my
8v92 runs.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB40
Niceville. FL




----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Saari
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: selling and 15K


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Saari"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "davidkerryedwards"
> wrote:
> >
> > Dan:
> > I'm sorry about your very expensive engine failure. Could you
> > elaborate a little more on what happened? It doesn't seem as
> though
> > an extra 20 degrees in engine temperature would cause that
> > catastrophic a failure. Did the engine seize or not run at all
> > after overheating? What was the purpose of the washer?
> >
> > Kerry
> > 82 Fc 35
> > Denver
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Saari"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
>
> Kerry..... 20 degrees does'nt seem like a lot but if the light
had
> flashed at the preset of 205 degrees you are not yet at a boiling
> point and can shut it down, but if the senser did'nt warn me untill
> 225 at this point you are beyond boiling and pushing water out of
> your system for possible 3-5 miles and the more you loose the
faster
> the temp is rising and an eminent failure can happen REAL fast
cause
> your 40 feet from the situation and its behind you so you do'nt
even
> smell the antifreese...
>
> As for the washer type thing...... I got an email today telling me
> Bluebird installed them....... I,m looking into this because I
would
> like to know why they installed them.. I will tell you this, I did
> notice a temp. fluxuation on my way back from Colorado without the
> washer...I will describe this fluxuation and it only happened in
the
> evening when the outside temp. was cooler.....the temp gauge would
> read 180 and over a span of about 3-4 miles would gradually
increase
> to about 195,, in a matter of 1 mile it would return to 180 and the
> cycle would repeat over and over.....In thinking about this and
> wondering about why this would happen at night in cooler weather
and
> not during the day the common sense of the hole situation (to me at
> least) is this...During the day when the outside temp is warmer the
> temp. controlled fan runs all the time,consiquently keeping the
temp
> at the 180 thermostat set.. but in the evening when the outside
temp.
> lowers, the fan will automatically shut down and the temp will
> gradually rise to 195 where the fan is designed to kick in and cool
> back to 180,,,,, wallau.. the rise and fall of the temp.
fluxuation..
>
> Now if in fact the washer was installed to illiminate this
> fluxuation I don't know... I only know this, the guy that
overhauled
> the motor said that whoever put that washer in there may have had a
> purpose in mind, but restricting the flow of cool water to the
> drivers side head ( is what it does in that location) is crazy..
>
> I can also tell you that the drivers side exhaust manifold was
> cracked and needed to be replaced.. if this was because that side
ran
> hotter because of the washer,,I don'nt know......
>
> whether that washer should have been installed by Bluebird or
> not ,,again I don't know... hopefully we have some 8v92 gorroozzs
out
> there to jump in on this......LET THE DEBATE BEGIN..... DAN
>
> 92 WLWB 40ft.
> Depere/ Summerfield..... for sale
>

Kerry....... another part of your question I forgot to answer was
about it shutting down.... Within 30 seconds of me spotting the red
check engine light I looked at the gauges and saw the temp gauge all
the way to the max 260 degrees and before I could reach for the key
and pull off in a turn lane to the right ,, it shut itself off or
just quit running and it was at this point I looked in the rear veiw
mirror and saw it steaming,,,, Keep in mind now 12 miles earlier I
had walked around the entire coach and everthing was fine,,, I even
stood between the back of the coach and my tow vehicle and took a
piss so I know there was no smell of antifreeze..... As I,ve said
earlier...things can go to shit in a hurry when going up the
mountains and they can happen FAST... your best defense is watch the
gauges ,,, hwy,gauges,hwy,gauges,hwy gauges........ DAN





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