holding tanks and freezing

[Gardner Yeaw]

I may stretch the North East season with a trip in early December to
Washington DC. I have small electric heaters in the cabinets with
plumbing as well as the rear compartment with the fresh water tank and
hot water heater. What I am concerned about is the grey and black
water tanks. Is there a recommended antifreeze that can be used to
prevent freezing of the liquid that isn't bad for septic systems?

I would expect the temperatures to be above 20 and so I don't need a
lot, but I don't want the dump valves to freeze up.

Gardner
78FC33

[Rob Robinson]

Some have used rock salt

On 24/10/06, Gardner Yeaw wrote:
>
> I may stretch the North East season with a trip in early December to
> Washington DC. I have small electric heaters in the cabinets with
> plumbing as well as the rear compartment with the fresh water tank and
> hot water heater. What I am concerned about is the grey and black
> water tanks. Is there a recommended antifreeze that can be used to
> prevent freezing of the liquid that isn't bad for septic systems?
>
> I would expect the temperatures to be above 20 and so I don't need a
> lot, but I don't want the dump valves to freeze up.
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
>
>
>



--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB


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[fwernlein]

I use the red RV antifreeze..costs more, but IMO easier to carry and
add than rock salt.

I posted some general winter RV info on Wanderlodge FC awhile back
on what has worked for me...see files.

Have a great visit. Should be no crowds...at times i even have
found room for street parking the BB along the Mall on weekends
early morning.

Frank W.
Woodbridge, VA.
85FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
wrote:
>
> I may stretch the North East season with a trip in early
December to
> Washington DC. I have small electric heaters in the cabinets with
> plumbing as well as the rear compartment with the fresh water tank
and
> hot water heater. What I am concerned about is the grey and black
> water tanks. Is there a recommended antifreeze that can be used to
> prevent freezing of the liquid that isn't bad for septic systems?
>
> I would expect the temperatures to be above 20 and so I don't
need a
> lot, but I don't want the dump valves to freeze up.
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
>

[erniecarpet@...]

Frank, how much rv antifreeze do you use per tank?

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana where it will get cold and I will have to use something
before heading where we don't



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[davidkerryedwards]

Unless the tanks get full, I don't think there's a big problem with
freezing holding tanks, as long as the days get warm enough to dump the
tanks when you want to. There's room for the ice to expand in a less
than full tank. In fact, frozen sewage doesn't smell as bad.

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver

[dspithaler@...]

Kerry The dump valves can freeze. One year before leaving here at
Thanksgiving time to go to Nashville, TN it got cold & I hadn't winterized
because
we were going to be using it. When I went to leave I found that one of my
valves had frozen & broke. We stayed home & missed that trip.
Don
89 SP 36'
Butler, PA


Unless the tanks get full, I don't think there's a big problem with
freezing holding tanks, as long as the days get warm enough to dump the
tanks when you want to. There's room for the ice to expand in a less
than full tank. In fact, frozen sewage doesn't smell as bad.

Kerry
82 FC 35
Denver






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[Tom Meservey]

When I was in Cincinnati last yearand through one of the coldest winters we have
experienced: I was being pumped out weekly by the port-a-potty guy, so I not
only had to keep the tanks from freezing but also the drain line and valves.
Randy Dupree told me to use rock salt and I did, but found that when it got down
to 20 and below, that an electric heater underneath the coach really helped and
did the job. I also put skirting around the coach to prevent the wind from
whistling underneath. The only thing I had freeze was the line from the galley,
back behind the shower stall and into the bathroom. My lines were originally
wrapped with the blue heat tape. which had long since 'bit the dust.' In my
'81 I have a little trap door under the vanity in the bathroom and I could open
that door, lay a drop light with a 100 watt bulb in there and position a
electric heater so that I would blow across the light bulb and up through that
space to the galley. I had the luxury of
being able to run as many extension cords from the power pole where we were at,
so over drawing the coaches electrical system was not a consideration. Hope
this helps.

Tom Meservey, USN (Ret)
'81FC33' still for sale, cannot believe someone has NOT gobbled it right up,


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[Leroy Eckert]

Gardner:
We can get into the high teens and the low twenties in NW FL. We open the dump
valves and let water slowly run from faucets servicing the gray and black tanks.
In my coach it is the bath sink and the kitchen sink. When the temp gets above
30 we shut them off. No water, no ice. Moving water is difficult to freeze.
This may not work in extended sub-freezing situations and very low temps but the
Snowbirds in SOB's do this. Snowbird engineering in NW FL I guess. Water is in
the park fee. LOL

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL




----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Robinson
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] holding tanks and freezing


Some have used rock salt

On 24/10/06, Gardner Yeaw wrote:
>
> I may stretch the North East season with a trip in early December to
> Washington DC. I have small electric heaters in the cabinets with
> plumbing as well as the rear compartment with the fresh water tank and
> hot water heater. What I am concerned about is the grey and black
> water tanks. Is there a recommended antifreeze that can be used to
> prevent freezing of the liquid that isn't bad for septic systems?
>
> I would expect the temperatures to be above 20 and so I don't need a
> lot, but I don't want the dump valves to freeze up.
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
>
>
>

--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB

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[Gardner Yeaw]

I suppose I could look into electric tank heaters, but it seems to
use a bunch of electricity. I would guess that you would attach them
to the bottom of the tanks and then put some kind of insulation over
them to keep the heat in. I think I am beginning to understand where
the term 'hot sh&%$t' came from.

Gardner
78FC33
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> Gardner:
> We can get into the high teens and the low twenties in NW FL. We
open the dump valves and let water slowly run from faucets servicing
the gray and black tanks. In my coach it is the bath sink and the
kitchen sink. When the temp gets above 30 we shut them off. No
water, no ice. Moving water is difficult to freeze. This may not
work in extended sub-freezing situations and very low temps but the
Snowbirds in SOB's do this. Snowbird engineering in NW FL I guess.
Water is in the park fee. LOL
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40
> Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob Robinson
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] holding tanks and freezing
>
>
> Some have used rock salt
>
> On 24/10/06, Gardner Yeaw wrote:
> >
> > I may stretch the North East season with a trip in early
December to
> > Washington DC. I have small electric heaters in the cabinets
with
> > plumbing as well as the rear compartment with the fresh water
tank and
> > hot water heater. What I am concerned about is the grey and
black
> > water tanks. Is there a recommended antifreeze that can be used
to
> > prevent freezing of the liquid that isn't bad for septic
systems?
> >
> > I would expect the temperatures to be above 20 and so I don't
need a
> > lot, but I don't want the dump valves to freeze up.
> >
> > Gardner
> > 78FC33
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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>

[Stephen Birtles]

You may want to lookat the plate heaters from this company
http://www.archeat also
http://www.cemelectric.com
look at the oilpan heaters you can also spec out what size of heater
and they will build it
cem makes different sizes of silicon heaters also as well as cable
heaters
Stephen 77fc35


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
wrote:
>
> I suppose I could look into electric tank heaters, but it seems to
> use a bunch of electricity. I would guess that you would attach them
> to the bottom of the tanks and then put some kind of insulation over
> them to keep the heat in. I think I am beginning to understand where
> the term 'hot sh&%$t' came from.
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> wrote:
> >
> > Gardner:
> > We can get into the high teens and the low twenties in NW FL. We
> open the dump valves and let water slowly run from faucets servicing
> the gray and black tanks. In my coach it is the bath sink and the
> kitchen sink. When the temp gets above 30 we shut them off. No
> water, no ice. Moving water is difficult to freeze. This may not
> work in extended sub-freezing situations and very low temps but the
> Snowbirds in SOB's do this. Snowbird engineering in NW FL I guess.
> Water is in the park fee. LOL
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rob Robinson
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] holding tanks and freezing
> >
> >
> > Some have used rock salt
> >
> > On 24/10/06, Gardner Yeaw wrote:
> > >
> > > I may stretch the North East season with a trip in early
> December to
> > > Washington DC. I have small electric heaters in the cabinets
> with
> > > plumbing as well as the rear compartment with the fresh water
> tank and
> > > hot water heater. What I am concerned about is the grey and
> black
> > > water tanks. Is there a recommended antifreeze that can be used
> to
> > > prevent freezing of the liquid that isn't bad for septic
> systems?
> > >
> > > I would expect the temperatures to be above 20 and so I don't
> need a
> > > lot, but I don't want the dump valves to freeze up.
> > >
> > > Gardner
> > > 78FC33
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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