re-inverters

[aokkoa2003]

Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a totally
electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of the
propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large truck
batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart
inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching link 2000
controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the 3rd
for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs anyway
we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the back
side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I probably
can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this
arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going down the
road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0 diesel
generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now and then
to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery banks
need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly undertaking to do
this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that damn
genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Rob:
On the bus which I owned before, it had a DD engine, with a gear driven
alternator which produced 320 amps at 24 volts (ok 28.4 volts or so)
When you do the calculation that gives one almost 7.7kw's of power. That is
almost as big as the genny on the SP models and some of the FC models.
That would give you lots of power to operate the AC's plus other stuff if you
wish, and still enough to keep the batteries charged.
As Gardner mentioned, the alternator will feed the inverters first instead of
pulling it from the batteries.
I would love to have a 300 amp 12 volt alternator, then I could run an
airconditioner as well going down the road - ok, I should recharge my engine
driven a/c hehe.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada


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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] re-inverters













Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a totally

electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of the

propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large truck

batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart

inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching link 2000

controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the 3rd

for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs anyway

we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the back

side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I probably

can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this

arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going down the

road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0 diesel

generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now and then

to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery banks

need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly undertaking to do

this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that damn

genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36














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[Gregory OConnor]

What type of service do members get from their battery banks while
dry camping. The Southwest BB are headed to the desert and I am
trying to make sure my inverter and genset are in shape.

today I unplugged my 94pt with 8 12volt battery bank and a 2800 heart
inverter. I ran the inverter with a 32"LCD TV, direct tv
descrambler, dash radio sound system, 3 floresent patio lights, 2
interior floresent lights, The inverter shut down after 5.25 hours
and the batteries would not start the genset. I had lights but not
as bright. On one other test I ran the TV/components without lights
for a total of 6.5 hours and shut it down ( I didnot want to run
inverter when I was not at home).

When I tried to start the genset from a remote switch with the
depleted batteries, the starter turned slow and releasing the
momentary start button would not stop it from cranking. I was forced
to use the DD start bank via the aux switch to release the starter.

My 94 does not have a Genset battery and I guess it uses the Coach
bank to start. I think my starter is compramised due to low volt
start attempts and I pulled it off to send out to a rebuilder. I plan
on installing a 12v marine battery close to the gen set and hang a
pepboys 10/6/2 amp automatic charger to it. what do you think?
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "aokkoa2003"
wrote:
>
> Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a totally
> electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of the
> propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large
truck
> batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart
> inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching link
2000
> controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the
3rd
> for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs
anyway
> we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the back
> side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I probably
> can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this
> arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going down
the
> road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0 diesel
> generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now and
then
> to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery
banks
> need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly undertaking to
do
> this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that damn
> genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36
>

[freewill2008]

When I did the numbers to determine whether I wanted an inverter
solution for over-the-road air conditioning, the result was a 320 amp
12 volt alternator and a two kilowatt inverter.

The inverter would draw about 170-180 amps at full load.

Going down the road our bus also needs about 50 amps at 12 volts for
lights, re-charging house batteries, my too-big stereo, and whatever.

There is also a Telma retarder which can draw up to 120 amps while
going down hill.

These are worst-case numbers, however they are the right numbers to
use unless one wants to be discharging the battery banks while going
down the road.

Since you basically never want to discharge while going down the
road, I did not even consider the size of the battery banks. In
theory, you should be able to disconnect the batteries while under
way and never run short on electrical power. Adding up the numbers
above, you can see that even 320 amps could come up a little short.

One more factor to add: A good electrical system is always designed
to have about 20% more power available than is required.

One of my responsibilities at work is power engineer for 75 big
servers that *must* operate 24/7. The whole system runs continously
on a 30KW inverter which operates either on batteries or from utility
power. The system is very much like our buses except for the big
numbers; the alternator serves the utility power function and the
batteries act as, well, batteries. All the calculations for load
capacity and depletion are the same.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA


>
> Rob:
> On the bus which I owned before, it had a DD engine, with a gear
driven alternator which produced 320 amps at 24 volts (ok 28.4 volts
or so)
> When you do the calculation that gives one almost 7.7kw's of
power. That is almost as big as the genny on the SP models and some
of the FC models.
> That would give you lots of power to operate the AC's plus other
stuff if you wish, and still enough to keep the batteries charged.
> As Gardner mentioned, the alternator will feed the inverters first
instead of pulling it from the batteries.
> I would love to have a 300 amp 12 volt alternator, then I could run
an airconditioner as well going down the road - ok, I should recharge
my engine driven a/c hehe.
>
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: aokkoa2003
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2007 8:36:17 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] re-inverters
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> Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a
totally
>
> electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of the
>
> propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large
truck
>
> batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart
>
> inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching link
2000
>
> controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the
3rd
>
> for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs
anyway
>
> we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the back
>
> side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I probably
>
> can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this
>
> arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going down
the
>
> road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0 diesel
>
> generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now and
then
>
> to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery
banks
>
> need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly undertaking to
do
>
> this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that damn
>
> genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:19 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: re-inverters


What type of service do members get from their battery banks while
dry camping. The Southwest BB are headed to the desert and I am
trying to make sure my inverter and genset are in shape.

today I unplugged my 94pt with 8 12volt battery bank and a 2800 heart
inverter. I ran the inverter with a 32"LCD TV, direct tv
descrambler, dash radio sound system, 3 floresent patio lights, 2
interior floresent lights, The inverter shut down after 5.25 hours
and the batteries would not start the genset. I had lights but not
as bright. On one other test I ran the TV/components without lights
for a total of 6.5 hours and shut it down ( I didnot want to run
inverter when I was not at home).

When I tried to start the genset from a remote switch with the
depleted batteries, the starter turned slow and releasing the
momentary start button would not stop it from cranking. I was forced
to use the DD start bank via the aux switch to release the starter.

My 94 does not have a Genset battery and I guess it uses the Coach
bank to start. I think my starter is compramised due to low volt
start attempts and I pulled it off to send out to a rebuilder. I plan
on installing a 12v marine battery close to the gen set and hang a
pepboys 10/6/2 amp automatic charger to it. what do you think?
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "aokkoa2003"
wrote:
>
> Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a totally
> electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of the
> propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large
truck
> batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart
> inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching link
2000
> controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the
3rd
> for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs
anyway
> we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the back
> side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I probably
> can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this
> arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going down
the
> road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0 diesel
> generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now and
then
> to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery
banks
> need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly undertaking to
do
> this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that damn
> genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36
>





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[Terry Neal]

Morning Greg. I'm installing one of these Xantex auxiliary chargers in
my coach just to keep the gen battery up to full charge. I use an
Optima Blue top for the gen set too. I will pull the charger input off
of my house battery bank so the gen battery will always be charged
either from my engine alternator, the Heart Inverter or my IOTA
chargers. They are on eBay for $50-60.

Link is at http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/103/p/docs...roduct.asp

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34



Gregory OConnor wrote:

> What type of service do members get from their battery banks while
> dry camping. The Southwest BB are headed to the desert and I am
> trying to make sure my inverter and genset are in shape.
>
> today I unplugged my 94pt with 8 12volt battery bank and a 2800 heart
> inverter. I ran the inverter with a 32"LCD TV, direct tv
> descrambler, dash radio sound system, 3 floresent patio lights, 2
> interior floresent lights, The inverter shut down after 5.25 hours
> and the batteries would not start the genset. I had lights but not
> as bright. On one other test I ran the TV/components without lights
> for a total of 6.5 hours and shut it down ( I didnot want to run
> inverter when I was not at home).
>
> When I tried to start the genset from a remote switch with the
> depleted batteries, the starter turned slow and releasing the
> momentary start button would not stop it from cranking. I was forced
> to use the DD start bank via the aux switch to release the starter.
>
> My 94 does not have a Genset battery and I guess it uses the Coach
> bank to start. I think my starter is compramised due to low volt
> start attempts and I pulled it off to send out to a rebuilder. I plan
> on installing a 12v marine battery close to the gen set and hang a
> pepboys 10/6/2 amp automatic charger to it. what do you think?
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , "aokkoa2003"
> wrote:
> >
> > Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a totally
> > electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of the
> > propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large
> truck
> > batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart
> > inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching link
> 2000
> > controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the
> 3rd
> > for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs
> anyway
> > we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the back
> > side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I probably
> > can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this
> > arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going down
> the
> > road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0 diesel
> > generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now and
> then
> > to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery
> banks
> > need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly undertaking to
> do
> > this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that damn
> > genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36
> >
>
>
>
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Terry, thank you for the info. I cant down load the specs but I guess
it is somehow protectes the genset start battery from becomming one
of the coach inverter bank batteries. The inverter also powers the
battery charge? this looks like the way to go. You would think the
genset would have a winding output of 14 volts just for the start
battery function?

As it turned out with a bench test at a local starter alt rebuilder
my Genset Kubota starter was drawing way more amps than spec and I
had it rebuilt for $135.00 (Riverside Alt 951-354-2373). I ran the 8
12V deep cycle back to Campingworld and they were clueless as to how
to test them. they offered to just replace all 8 with a prorate. I
paid a battery shop to do the Hydro test and 3 units were found to
have issue with one battery grounded short. CW replaced the 3 for me.
I was alarmed that CW employees could not believe that there is a
Motorhome with 8 batteries in a bank. I used CW for the origional
purchase because I knew little about inverters and just assumed they
were up on that.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Terry Neal
wrote:
>
> Morning Greg. I'm installing one of these Xantex auxiliary
chargers in
> my coach just to keep the gen battery up to full charge. I use an
> Optima Blue top for the gen set too. I will pull the charger input
off
> of my house battery bank so the gen battery will always be charged
> either from my engine alternator, the Heart Inverter or my IOTA
> chargers. They are on eBay for $50-60.
>
> Link is at
http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/103/p/docs...roduct.asp
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40
> 74FC34
>
>
>
> Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> > What type of service do members get from their battery banks while
> > dry camping. The Southwest BB are headed to the desert and I am
> > trying to make sure my inverter and genset are in shape.
> >
> > today I unplugged my 94pt with 8 12volt battery bank and a 2800
heart
> > inverter. I ran the inverter with a 32"LCD TV, direct tv
> > descrambler, dash radio sound system, 3 floresent patio lights, 2
> > interior floresent lights, The inverter shut down after 5.25 hours
> > and the batteries would not start the genset. I had lights but not
> > as bright. On one other test I ran the TV/components without
lights
> > for a total of 6.5 hours and shut it down ( I didnot want to run
> > inverter when I was not at home).
> >
> > When I tried to start the genset from a remote switch with the
> > depleted batteries, the starter turned slow and releasing the
> > momentary start button would not stop it from cranking. I was
forced
> > to use the DD start bank via the aux switch to release the
starter.
> >
> > My 94 does not have a Genset battery and I guess it uses the Coach
> > bank to start. I think my starter is compramised due to low volt
> > start attempts and I pulled it off to send out to a rebuilder. I
plan
> > on installing a 12v marine battery close to the gen set and hang a
> > pepboys 10/6/2 amp automatic charger to it. what do you think?
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , "aokkoa2003"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a totally
> > > electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of
the
> > > propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large
> > truck
> > > batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart
> > > inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching
link
> > 2000
> > > controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the
> > 3rd
> > > for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs
> > anyway
> > > we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the
back
> > > side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I
probably
> > > can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this
> > > arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going
down
> > the
> > > road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0
diesel
> > > generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now
and
> > then
> > > to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery
> > banks
> > > need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly
undertaking to
> > do
> > > this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that
damn
> > > genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Terry, I don't understand what you are trying to do.
Do I have it right, you are going to put a charger on the genset battery, which
is going to be powered from the main battery bank? Is the genset battery not
charged now by the inverters/alternator setup?

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada




----- Original Message ----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 7:28:41 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: re-inverters

Terry, thank you for the info. I cant down load the specs but I guess
it is somehow protectes the genset start battery from becomming one
of the coach inverter bank batteries. The inverter also powers the
battery charge? this looks like the way to go. You would think the
genset would have a winding output of 14 volts just for the start
battery function?

As it turned out with a bench test at a local starter alt rebuilder
my Genset Kubota starter was drawing way more amps than spec and I
had it rebuilt for $135.00 (Riverside Alt 951-354-2373) . I ran the 8
12V deep cycle back to Campingworld and they were clueless as to how
to test them. they offered to just replace all 8 with a prorate. I
paid a battery shop to do the Hydro test and 3 units were found to
have issue with one battery grounded short. CW replaced the 3 for me.
I was alarmed that CW employees could not believe that there is a
Motorhome with 8 batteries in a bank. I used CW for the origional
purchase because I knew little about inverters and just assumed they
were up on that.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa- -- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Terry Neal
wrote:
>
> Morning Greg. I'm installing one of these Xantex auxiliary
chargers in
> my coach just to keep the gen battery up to full charge. I use an
> Optima Blue top for the gen set too. I will pull the charger input
off
> of my house battery bank so the gen battery will always be charged
> either from my engine alternator, the Heart Inverter or my IOTA
> chargers. They are on eBay for $50-60.
>
> Link is at
http://www.xantrex. com/web/id/ 103/p/docs/ pt/20/product. asp
>
> Terry Neal
> Bozeman, MT
> 82PT40
> 74FC34
>
>
>
> Gregory OConnor wrote:
>
> > What type of service do members get from their battery banks while
> > dry camping. The Southwest BB are headed to the desert and I am
> > trying to make sure my inverter and genset are in shape.
> >
> > today I unplugged my 94pt with 8 12volt battery bank and a 2800
heart
> > inverter. I ran the inverter with a 32"LCD TV, direct tv
> > descrambler, dash radio sound system, 3 floresent patio lights, 2
> > interior floresent lights, The inverter shut down after 5.25 hours
> > and the batteries would not start the genset. I had lights but not
> > as bright. On one other test I ran the TV/components without
lights
> > for a total of 6.5 hours and shut it down ( I didnot want to run
> > inverter when I was not at home).
> >
> > When I tried to start the genset from a remote switch with the
> > depleted batteries, the starter turned slow and releasing the
> > momentary start button would not stop it from cranking. I was
forced
> > to use the DD start bank via the aux switch to release the
starter.
> >
> > My 94 does not have a Genset battery and I guess it uses the Coach
> > bank to start. I think my starter is compramised due to low volt
> > start attempts and I pulled it off to send out to a rebuilder. I
plan
> > on installing a 12v marine battery close to the gen set and hang a
> > pepboys 10/6/2 amp automatic charger to it. what do you think?
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > , "aokkoa2003"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a totally
> > > electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of
the
> > > propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large
> > truck
> > > batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart
> > > inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching
link
> > 2000
> > > controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the
> > 3rd
> > > for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs
> > anyway
> > > we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the
back
> > > side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I
probably
> > > can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this
> > > arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going
down
> > the
> > > road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0
diesel
> > > generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now
and
> > then
> > > to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery
> > banks
> > > need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly
undertaking to
> > do
> > > this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that
damn
> > > genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>




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[freewill2008]

Terry - All you hafta do is wire the dedicated genset cranking
battery in parallel with the rest of the batteries and then mount a
battery isolator between the genset battery and the coach batteries.
This will charge the genset battery along with the coach batteries,
but will keep the genset battery from discharging along with the
coach batteries.

You can use a regular 3 terminal isolator, except you only use the
center terminal and one end terminal. A garden-variety isolator will
work, but you will get a better charge by using a Schotky isolator
like they use in ambulances. Costs more but ya get what ya pay for.

Pay attention to the wiring instructions. Hook it up backwards and
you will only discharge the genset battery and never charge it )

As an alternative, you could use a combiner relay where the isolator
would have gone. This relay connects the genset battery to the
alternator and coach batteries only while the engine is running. The
only problem with this method is if you get into a discharge
situation (alternator or regulator fails) while on the road, then you
will discharge both coach and genset batteries which is what you are
trying to avoid.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
wrote:
>
> Terry, I don't understand what you are trying to do.
> Do I have it right, you are going to put a charger on the genset
battery, which is going to be powered from the main battery bank? Is
the genset battery not charged now by the inverters/alternator setup?
>
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gregory OConnor
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 7:28:41 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: re-inverters
>
> Terry, thank you for the info. I cant down load the specs but I
guess
> it is somehow protectes the genset start battery from becomming one
> of the coach inverter bank batteries. The inverter also powers the
> battery charge? this looks like the way to go. You would think the
> genset would have a winding output of 14 volts just for the start
> battery function?
>
> As it turned out with a bench test at a local starter alt rebuilder
> my Genset Kubota starter was drawing way more amps than spec and I
> had it rebuilt for $135.00 (Riverside Alt 951-354-2373) . I ran the
8
> 12V deep cycle back to Campingworld and they were clueless as to
how
> to test them. they offered to just replace all 8 with a prorate. I
> paid a battery shop to do the Hydro test and 3 units were found to
> have issue with one battery grounded short. CW replaced the 3 for
me.
> I was alarmed that CW employees could not believe that there is a
> Motorhome with 8 batteries in a bank. I used CW for the origional
> purchase because I knew little about inverters and just assumed
they
> were up on that.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa- -- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Terry
Neal
> wrote:
> >
> > Morning Greg. I'm installing one of these Xantex auxiliary
> chargers in
> > my coach just to keep the gen battery up to full charge. I use an
> > Optima Blue top for the gen set too. I will pull the charger
input
> off
> > of my house battery bank so the gen battery will always be
charged
> > either from my engine alternator, the Heart Inverter or my IOTA
> > chargers. They are on eBay for $50-60.
> >
> > Link is at
> http://www.xantrex. com/web/id/ 103/p/docs/ pt/20/product. asp
> >
> > Terry Neal
> > Bozeman, MT
> > 82PT40
> > 74FC34

[Terry Neal]

Bill,

I had to replace my original Rediline & battery chargers. I installed 2
IOTA chargers for my main battery bank (I have 2 "house" batteries) I
am keeping the gen set charging outside the rest of the system. Then my
gen set gets charged by the engine alternator, shore power (Chargers) or
the generator itself. Still working on what type/size inverter to use
in the coach and will probably add a solar panel to the coach too.

Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40
74FC34



Wilhelmus Schreurs wrote:

> Terry, I don't understand what you are trying to do.
> Do I have it right, you are going to put a charger on the genset
> battery, which is going to be powered from the main battery bank? Is
> the genset battery not charged now by the inverters/alternator setup?
>
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gregory OConnor >
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 7:28:41 AM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: re-inverters
>
> Terry, thank you for the info. I cant down load the specs but I guess
> it is somehow protectes the genset start battery from becomming one
> of the coach inverter bank batteries. The inverter also powers the
> battery charge? this looks like the way to go. You would think the
> genset would have a winding output of 14 volts just for the start
> battery function?
>
> As it turned out with a bench test at a local starter alt rebuilder
> my Genset Kubota starter was drawing way more amps than spec and I
> had it rebuilt for $135.00 (Riverside Alt 951-354-2373) . I ran the 8
> 12V deep cycle back to Campingworld and they were clueless as to how
> to test them. they offered to just replace all 8 with a prorate. I
> paid a battery shop to do the Hydro test and 3 units were found to
> have issue with one battery grounded short. CW replaced the 3 for me.
> I was alarmed that CW employees could not believe that there is a
> Motorhome with 8 batteries in a bank. I used CW for the origional
> purchase because I knew little about inverters and just assumed they
> were up on that.
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa- -- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, Terry Neal
> wrote:
> >
> > Morning Greg. I'm installing one of these Xantex auxiliary
> chargers in
> > my coach just to keep the gen battery up to full charge. I use an
> > Optima Blue top for the gen set too. I will pull the charger input
> off
> > of my house battery bank so the gen battery will always be charged
> > either from my engine alternator, the Heart Inverter or my IOTA
> > chargers. They are on eBay for $50-60.
> >
> > Link is at
> http://www.xantrex. com/web/id/ 103/p/docs/ pt/20/product. asp
> >
> > Terry Neal
> > Bozeman, MT
> > 82PT40
> > 74FC34
> >
> >
> >
> > Gregory OConnor wrote:
> >
> > > What type of service do members get from their battery banks while
> > > dry camping. The Southwest BB are headed to the desert and I am
> > > trying to make sure my inverter and genset are in shape.
> > >
> > > today I unplugged my 94pt with 8 12volt battery bank and a 2800
> heart
> > > inverter. I ran the inverter with a 32"LCD TV, direct tv
> > > descrambler, dash radio sound system, 3 floresent patio lights, 2
> > > interior floresent lights, The inverter shut down after 5.25 hours
> > > and the batteries would not start the genset. I had lights but not
> > > as bright. On one other test I ran the TV/components without
> lights
> > > for a total of 6.5 hours and shut it down ( I didnot want to run
> > > inverter when I was not at home).
> > >
> > > When I tried to start the genset from a remote switch with the
> > > depleted batteries, the starter turned slow and releasing the
> > > momentary start button would not stop it from cranking. I was
> forced
> > > to use the DD start bank via the aux switch to release the
> starter.
> > >
> > > My 94 does not have a Genset battery and I guess it uses the Coach
> > > bank to start. I think my starter is compramised due to low volt
> > > start attempts and I pulled it off to send out to a rebuilder. I
> plan
> > > on installing a 12v marine battery close to the gen set and hang a
> > > pepboys 10/6/2 amp automatic charger to it. what do you think?
> > > GregoryO'Connor
> > > 94ptRomolandCA
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
> > > , "aokkoa2003"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thought I would throw in my 2cents worth.... We have a totally
> > > > electric coach. The former owner of our 85pt36 removed all of
> the
> > > > propane stuff and added a battery bank in it's place.. 4 large
> > > truck
> > > > batterys wired for 24 volts dc. He then installed 3 2500 heart
> > > > inverters in the passeger side compartment, with the matching
> link
> > > 2000
> > > > controls in the coach. 1 for each leg of the 220 system, and the
> > > 3rd
> > > > for a charger. We can switch them around by changing the plugs
> > > anyway
> > > > we need to,such as in the case one should quit working. On the
> back
> > > > side of the engine, he installed a 24vdc alternator. As I
> probably
> > > > can't explain all of the tech stuff, I can tell you that this
> > > > arangement really does work.. We can run both roof airs going
> down
> > > the
> > > > road WITHOUT the generator INDEFINATELY. We have a small 4.0
> diesel
> > > > generator that has 14 hours recorded on it. I start it up now
> and
> > > then
> > > > to make sure it will run when we are dry camping and the battery
> > > banks
> > > > need a charge. I realize that this would be a costly
> undertaking to
> > > do
> > > > this kind of conversion, but well worth it. I hate to run that
> damn
> > > > genny. Rob Sargent. 85pt36
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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