Speedometer programming

[Don Bradner]

Thanks, Leroy, those are as good as any to try for starters. I'll be able to
test on Wednesday.

For those who said "check with the manufacturer of the speedometer," who made
it? Only markings on the back are Blue Bird.

I called BB rather late today (but before they close), and as in all previous
calls got Jessie's voice mail and no call back. Will be interesting to see if I
ever do.

On 2/5/2007 at 4:31 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>Don:
>My dip switches are 2, 3, and 6 on.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming
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>
> It would be great if you could take a look - it is likely that ours
>should be the same.
>
> When I drove it out of Phoenix last month I knew it didn't feel right
>for the indicated speed, so I set it at 60 on the cruise and used the
>stopwatch to time a mile, then several more miles (using the ubiquitous
>mile markers on I-10). I was running above 70 seconds per mile, and the
>truck traffic was blowing around me. When I drove yesterday with VMSpc
>running, it was showing 35 when the speedometer was above 45.
>
> On 2/4/2007 at 7:18 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> >I haven't noticed the variance on mine. I have checked it with those
> >roadside radar detectors that are every 20 miles down here, if you can
> >believe those, and it appears to be very close. It will be interesting
>to
> >see the speed on my VMSpc when I get it going.
> >
> >If you want I will look and see how my switches are set. Otherwise, I am
> >no help.
>
> Don Bradner
> http://www.arcatapet.net
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[Leroy Eckert]

Don:
My experience with BB has been very good. Let me know if you get a call. I
usually get one late afternoon or the next day.
I'll call them also, not that I'm anybody, but the squeaky wheel get the grease
sometimes. It's called piling on. lol

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL



----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming


Thanks, Leroy, those are as good as any to try for starters. I'll be able to
test on Wednesday.

For those who said "check with the manufacturer of the speedometer," who made
it? Only markings on the back are Blue Bird.

I called BB rather late today (but before they close), and as in all previous
calls got Jessie's voice mail and no call back. Will be interesting to see if I
ever do.

On 2/5/2007 at 4:31 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>Don:
>My dip switches are 2, 3, and 6 on.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming
>
>
> It would be great if you could take a look - it is likely that ours
>should be the same.
>
> When I drove it out of Phoenix last month I knew it didn't feel right
>for the indicated speed, so I set it at 60 on the cruise and used the
>stopwatch to time a mile, then several more miles (using the ubiquitous
>mile markers on I-10). I was running above 70 seconds per mile, and the
>truck traffic was blowing around me. When I drove yesterday with VMSpc
>running, it was showing 35 when the speedometer was above 45.
>
> On 2/4/2007 at 7:18 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> >I haven't noticed the variance on mine. I have checked it with those
> >roadside radar detectors that are every 20 miles down here, if you can
> >believe those, and it appears to be very close. It will be interesting
>to
> >see the speed on my VMSpc when I get it going.
> >
> >If you want I will look and see how my switches are set. Otherwise, I am
> >no help.
>
> Don Bradner
> http://www.arcatapet.net
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[Don Bradner]

Just had a callback from Jessie, and he says yours is the factory default; no
other info available. I will report if that does the job.

On 2/5/2007 at 4:31 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>Don:
>My dip switches are 2, 3, and 6 on.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming
>
>
> It would be great if you could take a look - it is likely that ours
>should be the same.
>
> When I drove it out of Phoenix last month I knew it didn't feel right
>for the indicated speed, so I set it at 60 on the cruise and used the
>stopwatch to time a mile, then several more miles (using the ubiquitous
>mile markers on I-10). I was running above 70 seconds per mile, and the
>truck traffic was blowing around me. When I drove yesterday with VMSpc
>running, it was showing 35 when the speedometer was above 45.
>
> On 2/4/2007 at 7:18 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> >I haven't noticed the variance on mine. I have checked it with those
> >roadside radar detectors that are every 20 miles down here, if you can
> >believe those, and it appears to be very close. It will be interesting
>to
> >see the speed on my VMSpc when I get it going.
> >
> >If you want I will look and see how my switches are set. Otherwise, I am
> >no help.
>
> Don Bradner
> http://www.arcatapet.net
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[Leroy Eckert]

Ok, I hope it works for you.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL


----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming


Just had a callback from Jessie, and he says yours is the factory default; no
other info available. I will report if that does the job.

On 2/5/2007 at 4:31 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>Don:
>My dip switches are 2, 3, and 6 on.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming
>
>
> It would be great if you could take a look - it is likely that ours
>should be the same.
>
> When I drove it out of Phoenix last month I knew it didn't feel right
>for the indicated speed, so I set it at 60 on the cruise and used the
>stopwatch to time a mile, then several more miles (using the ubiquitous
>mile markers on I-10). I was running above 70 seconds per mile, and the
>truck traffic was blowing around me. When I drove yesterday with VMSpc
>running, it was showing 35 when the speedometer was above 45.
>
> On 2/4/2007 at 7:18 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:
>
> >I haven't noticed the variance on mine. I have checked it with those
> >roadside radar detectors that are every 20 miles down here, if you can
> >believe those, and it appears to be very close. It will be interesting
>to
> >see the speed on my VMSpc when I get it going.
> >
> >If you want I will look and see how my switches are set. Otherwise, I am
> >no help.
>
> Don Bradner
> http://www.arcatapet.net
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Don Bradner
http://www.arcatapet.net





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[Don Bradner]

A followup on the speedometer: Mine was set for "10" (2+8), and the factory
called for 26 - switches 2,3 and 6 which are 2+4+20. I set that, and it still
read substantially high. I set 40 (switch 7 only) and the speedometer was about
20% low. Set 34 (switches 3, 5, 6, which is 4+10+20), and I was 5% low, then 32
(switches 2, 5, 6) and I was essentially dead on.

This was done over a trip of 150 miles today, and during it I also set my
digital VMSpc speedometer to dead on - it was 1.8% fast over 10 miles of flat
desert at exactly 60mph. I now have two accurate speedometers, analog and
digital.

From this I conclude that the dip switches are additive, as shown above, and the
higher the combined number the more they take off the speed.

In the various invoices I have with this coach are two for transmission ECU
replacements, with the symptom being initially a lack of any speedometer reading
at all, and the second a couple of days later when the "new" replacement failed
completely. The shop which replaced both (second under warranty, of course)
noted that they could not get a second identical one either new or reman, so
used a reman "+2" unit.

I don't know what that means, but I assume it is somehow different, and probably
doesn't put out the same speed data as the original, which is why factory
programming didn't work.

On 2/4/2007 at 3:45 PM Don Bradner wrote:

>The speedometer on 90 PT40 reads roughly 15-20% high. Presumably racks up
>miles at a higher rate as well.
>
>The VMSpc speed reading appears to be just about dead on; I would like to
>improve the accuracy of the speedometer, and I wondered if anyone here has
>any info on the programming?
>
>On the back are 12 dip switches. 1-4 are labled "Ones" and 1, 2, 4, 8. 5-8
>ae labled "Tens" and 10, 20, 40, 80. 9-12 are labeled "Filter."
>
>Only 2 and 4 are on (values 2 and 8).
>
>This is an obvious question for Bluebird tech support, but so far on other
>issues I'm batting .000 with them (meaning I have yet to talk to a human)
>so I thought I would ask on the forums first in case someone has
>previously received programming info.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"

[Leroy Eckert]

I'm happy you found the answer. On your next ride I would appreciate knowing
the high and low engine water temperature cycle values from the VMSpc. And if
it is not to much trouble, run it for 5 miles with the fan override on and pass
along the constant low water temperature. Both over flat land for comparative
purposes. Thanks.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL



----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming


A followup on the speedometer: Mine was set for "10" (2+8), and the factory
called for 26 - switches 2,3 and 6 which are 2+4+20. I set that, and it still
read substantially high. I set 40 (switch 7 only) and the speedometer was about
20% low. Set 34 (switches 3, 5, 6, which is 4+10+20), and I was 5% low, then 32
(switches 2, 5, 6) and I was essentially dead on.

This was done over a trip of 150 miles today, and during it I also set my
digital VMSpc speedometer to dead on - it was 1.8% fast over 10 miles of flat
desert at exactly 60mph. I now have two accurate speedometers, analog and
digital.

From this I conclude that the dip switches are additive, as shown above, and
the higher the combined number the more they take off the speed.

In the various invoices I have with this coach are two for transmission ECU
replacements, with the symptom being initially a lack of any speedometer reading
at all, and the second a couple of days later when the "new" replacement failed
completely. The shop which replaced both (second under warranty, of course)
noted that they could not get a second identical one either new or reman, so
used a reman "+2" unit.

I don't know what that means, but I assume it is somehow different, and
probably doesn't put out the same speed data as the original, which is why
factory programming didn't work.

On 2/4/2007 at 3:45 PM Don Bradner wrote:

>The speedometer on 90 PT40 reads roughly 15-20% high. Presumably racks up
>miles at a higher rate as well.
>
>The VMSpc speed reading appears to be just about dead on; I would like to
>improve the accuracy of the speedometer, and I wondered if anyone here has
>any info on the programming?
>
>On the back are 12 dip switches. 1-4 are labled "Ones" and 1, 2, 4, 8. 5-8
>ae labled "Tens" and 10, 20, 40, 80. 9-12 are labeled "Filter."
>
>Only 2 and 4 are on (values 2 and 8).
>
>This is an obvious question for Bluebird tech support, but so far on other
>issues I'm batting .000 with them (meaning I have yet to talk to a human)
>so I thought I would ask on the forums first in case someone has
>previously received programming info.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"





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[Don Bradner]

My cycle, when climbing hills (the only time it really cycled) was 197 on, 189
off. I suspect that could be 195/190 and is just overshoot, but it was
consistent. On flats, it dropped as low as 181.

I think it is possible that the fan override does not work - I saw no effect,
and it did not cause an increase in engine utilization, while the cycling
appeared to increase usage.

Of the PIDs I reported before, only trip mileage and trip fuel failed to work.
Trip miles were zero, and trip fuel was identical to total fuel. Total fuel was
over 7000 gallons, and corresponds to the 825 or so hours showing - about right
from when the records indicate the ECU was changed. Average MPG was an
unchanging 5.2MPG, presumably from that total 7000 gallons, while instantaneous
MPG ranged from a low of 1.1MPG when I accelerated uphill out of a rest stop, to
the max possible of 256MPG when rolling down hill with no throttle. Enough
variation on the level that it woud be hard to find the "sweet spot."

On 2/7/2007 at 10:20 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>I'm happy you found the answer. On your next ride I would appreciate
>knowing the high and low engine water temperature cycle values from the
>VMSpc. And if it is not to much trouble, run it for 5 miles with the fan
>override on and pass along the constant low water temperature. Both over
>flat land for comparative purposes. Thanks.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming
>
>
> A followup on the speedometer: Mine was set for "10" (2+8), and the
>factory called for 26 - switches 2,3 and 6 which are 2+4+20. I set that,
>and it still read substantially high. I set 40 (switch 7 only) and the
>speedometer was about 20% low. Set 34 (switches 3, 5, 6, which is
>4+10+20), and I was 5% low, then 32 (switches 2, 5, 6) and I was
>essentially dead on.
>
> This was done over a trip of 150 miles today, and during it I also set
>my digital VMSpc speedometer to dead on - it was 1.8% fast over 10 miles
>of flat desert at exactly 60mph. I now have two accurate speedometers,
>analog and digital.
>
> From this I conclude that the dip switches are additive, as shown above,
>and the higher the combined number the more they take off the speed.
>
> In the various invoices I have with this coach are two for transmission
>ECU replacements, with the symptom being initially a lack of any
>speedometer reading at all, and the second a couple of days later when the
>"new" replacement failed completely. The shop which replaced both (second
>under warranty, of course) noted that they could not get a second
>identical one either new or reman, so used a reman "+2" unit.
>
> I don't know what that means, but I assume it is somehow different, and
>probably doesn't put out the same speed data as the original, which is why
>factory programming didn't work.
>
> On 2/4/2007 at 3:45 PM Don Bradner wrote:
>
> >The speedometer on 90 PT40 reads roughly 15-20% high. Presumably racks
>up
> >miles at a higher rate as well.
> >
> >The VMSpc speed reading appears to be just about dead on; I would like
>to
> >improve the accuracy of the speedometer, and I wondered if anyone here
>has
> >any info on the programming?
> >
> >On the back are 12 dip switches. 1-4 are labled "Ones" and 1, 2, 4, 8.
>5-8
> >ae labled "Tens" and 10, 20, 40, 80. 9-12 are labeled "Filter."
> >
> >Only 2 and 4 are on (values 2 and 8).
> >
> >This is an obvious question for Bluebird tech support, but so far on
>other
> >issues I'm batting .000 with them (meaning I have yet to talk to a
>human)
> >so I thought I would ask on the forums first in case someone has
> >previously received programming info.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>
>
>
>
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Don Bradner
http://www.arcatapet.net

[Gregory OConnor]

Don, That is a good point because the Trans shift points may have
been off the BB engineered intentions due to the 20% error in the
speed factor. Thank you for the followup
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
wrote:
>
> A followup on the speedometer: Mine was set for "10" (2+8), and the
factory called for 26 - switches 2,3 and 6 which are 2+4+20. I set
that, and it still read substantially high. I set 40 (switch 7 only)
and the speedometer was about 20% low. Set 34 (switches 3, 5, 6,
which is 4+10+20), and I was 5% low, then 32 (switches 2, 5, 6) and I
was essentially dead on.
>
> This was done over a trip of 150 miles today, and during it I also
set my digital VMSpc speedometer to dead on - it was 1.8% fast over
10 miles of flat desert at exactly 60mph. I now have two accurate
speedometers, analog and digital.
>
> From this I conclude that the dip switches are additive, as shown
above, and the higher the combined number the more they take off the
speed.
>
> In the various invoices I have with this coach are two for
transmission ECU replacements, with the symptom being initially a
lack of any speedometer reading at all, and the second a couple of
days later when the "new" replacement failed completely. The shop
which replaced both (second under warranty, of course) noted that
they could not get a second identical one either new or reman, so
used a reman "+2" unit.
>
> I don't know what that means, but I assume it is somehow different,
and probably doesn't put out the same speed data as the original,
which is why factory programming didn't work.
>
> On 2/4/2007 at 3:45 PM Don Bradner wrote:
>
> >The speedometer on 90 PT40 reads roughly 15-20% high. Presumably
racks up
> >miles at a higher rate as well.
> >
> >The VMSpc speed reading appears to be just about dead on; I would
like to
> >improve the accuracy of the speedometer, and I wondered if anyone
here has
> >any info on the programming?
> >
> >On the back are 12 dip switches. 1-4 are labled "Ones" and 1, 2,
4, 8. 5-8
> >ae labled "Tens" and 10, 20, 40, 80. 9-12 are labeled "Filter."
> >
> >Only 2 and 4 are on (values 2 and 8).
> >
> >This is an obvious question for Bluebird tech support, but so far
on other
> >issues I'm batting .000 with them (meaning I have yet to talk to a
human)
> >so I thought I would ask on the forums first in case someone has
> >previously received programming info.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>

[Leroy Eckert]

Interesting. I would expect cycle temperatures in that range because the sensor
has an 8-10 degree range. I would anticipate 181 on flat land only with the
fan override on in winter unless it was very cold. What was the approximate OAT?
You can check the fan override by starting the engine at which time the fan
should be spinning about 400 RPM. Turn the fan override on and it should spool
up to about 1800 RPM. It should do the same if the chassis a/c switch is turned
on. (pilot or co-pilot)
As I remember your a/c condenser is on the radiator, not on the roof.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL




----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming


My cycle, when climbing hills (the only time it really cycled) was 197 on, 189
off. I suspect that could be 195/190 and is just overshoot, but it was
consistent. On flats, it dropped as low as 181.

I think it is possible that the fan override does not work - I saw no effect,
and it did not cause an increase in engine utilization, while the cycling
appeared to increase usage.

Of the PIDs I reported before, only trip mileage and trip fuel failed to work.
Trip miles were zero, and trip fuel was identical to total fuel. Total fuel was
over 7000 gallons, and corresponds to the 825 or so hours showing - about right
from when the records indicate the ECU was changed. Average MPG was an
unchanging 5.2MPG, presumably from that total 7000 gallons, while instantaneous
MPG ranged from a low of 1.1MPG when I accelerated uphill out of a rest stop, to
the max possible of 256MPG when rolling down hill with no throttle. Enough
variation on the level that it woud be hard to find the "sweet spot."

On 2/7/2007 at 10:20 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>I'm happy you found the answer. On your next ride I would appreciate
>knowing the high and low engine water temperature cycle values from the
>VMSpc. And if it is not to much trouble, run it for 5 miles with the fan
>override on and pass along the constant low water temperature. Both over
>flat land for comparative purposes. Thanks.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Bradner
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Speedometer programming
>
>
> A followup on the speedometer: Mine was set for "10" (2+8), and the
>factory called for 26 - switches 2,3 and 6 which are 2+4+20. I set that,
>and it still read substantially high. I set 40 (switch 7 only) and the
>speedometer was about 20% low. Set 34 (switches 3, 5, 6, which is
>4+10+20), and I was 5% low, then 32 (switches 2, 5, 6) and I was
>essentially dead on.
>
> This was done over a trip of 150 miles today, and during it I also set
>my digital VMSpc speedometer to dead on - it was 1.8% fast over 10 miles
>of flat desert at exactly 60mph. I now have two accurate speedometers,
>analog and digital.
>
> From this I conclude that the dip switches are additive, as shown above,
>and the higher the combined number the more they take off the speed.
>
> In the various invoices I have with this coach are two for transmission
>ECU replacements, with the symptom being initially a lack of any
>speedometer reading at all, and the second a couple of days later when the
>"new" replacement failed completely. The shop which replaced both (second
>under warranty, of course) noted that they could not get a second
>identical one either new or reman, so used a reman "+2" unit.
>
> I don't know what that means, but I assume it is somehow different, and
>probably doesn't put out the same speed data as the original, which is why
>factory programming didn't work.
>
> On 2/4/2007 at 3:45 PM Don Bradner wrote:
>
> >The speedometer on 90 PT40 reads roughly 15-20% high. Presumably racks
>up
> >miles at a higher rate as well.
> >
> >The VMSpc speed reading appears to be just about dead on; I would like
>to
> >improve the accuracy of the speedometer, and I wondered if anyone here
>has
> >any info on the programming?
> >
> >On the back are 12 dip switches. 1-4 are labled "Ones" and 1, 2, 4, 8.
>5-8
> >ae labled "Tens" and 10, 20, 40, 80. 9-12 are labeled "Filter."
> >
> >Only 2 and 4 are on (values 2 and 8).
> >
> >This is an obvious question for Bluebird tech support, but so far on
>other
> >issues I'm batting .000 with them (meaning I have yet to talk to a
>human)
> >so I thought I would ask on the forums first in case someone has
> >previously received programming info.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
>
>
>
>
>
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Don Bradner
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[Don Bradner]

Was probably in the 70s today. I did have the A/C on some, and that may explain
both why I didn't see a switch effect, and the 181 on flat. Didn't realize the
A/C would force the fan on. My condenser is not on the roof, and I assume it is
back on the main radiator but haven't looked for it.

On 2/7/2007 at 11:22 PM Leroy Eckert wrote:

>Interesting. I would expect cycle temperatures in that range because the
>sensor has an 8-10 degree range. I would anticipate 181 on flat land
>only with the fan override on in winter unless it was very cold. What was
>the approximate OAT?
>You can check the fan override by starting the engine at which time the
>fan should be spinning about 400 RPM. Turn the fan override on and it
>should spool up to about 1800 RPM. It should do the same if the chassis
>a/c switch is turned on. (pilot or co-pilot)
>As I remember your a/c condenser is on the radiator, not on the roof.
>
>Leroy Eckert
>1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
>Niceville, FL

Don Bradner
http://www.arcatapet.net