Slobber tube - cheap fix for blowby

[ac7880]

On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube". The
blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just returend
from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1 gal milk
jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent holes at
the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of blowby.
A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.

Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet to see
what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
Dan
94 BB BMC NM



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
wrote:
>
> A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one each
tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the valve
covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase breather tube
which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil slobber
hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
>
> Leroy Eckert
> 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> Niceville, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Forman
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
>
>
> What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
>
> Scott
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson

> wrote:
> >
> > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged with
dirt.
> > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other appliances get
in
> the
> > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but the
> surrounding
> > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber tubes" feed
hot
> oil
> > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog the
> > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with sudsy,
warm
> > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue if it
> causes
> > the engine to overheat.
> >
> > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course the
engine
> can
> > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD 6v92 or
8v92
> > (depending on year).
> >
> > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > aeonix1@
> > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> >
> > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look out for?
I
> > > have an
> > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
experience
> with a
> > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to outside of the
> > > "normal"
> > > things would be helpful.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[sfedeli3]

On my 85PT40, I routed the slobber tubes to a horizontally hung 30"
long piece of 4" PVC with end caps and a drain in the bottom. There is
a breather on the top to allow ventilation. It is usually 1/3 full at
each oil change- No more drips!

Shane Fedeli
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ac7880" wrote:
>
> On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube". The
> blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just returend
> from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1 gal milk
> jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent holes at
> the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of blowby.
> A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.
>
> Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet to see
> what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
> radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
> Dan
> 94 BB BMC NM
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> wrote:
> >
> > A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one each
> tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the valve
> covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase breather tube
> which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil slobber
> hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
> >
> > Leroy Eckert
> > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > Niceville, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Forman
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
> >
> >
> > What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged with
> dirt.
> > > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other appliances get
> in
> > the
> > > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but the
> > surrounding
> > > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber tubes" feed
> hot
> > oil
> > > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog the
> > > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with sudsy,
> warm
> > > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue if it
> > causes
> > > the engine to overheat.
> > >
> > > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course the
> engine
> > can
> > > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD 6v92 or
> 8v92
> > > (depending on year).
> > >
> > > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > aeonix1@
> > > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look out for?
> I
> > > > have an
> > > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
> experience
> > with a
> > > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to outside of the
> > > > "normal"
> > > > things would be helpful.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Shane it sounds like a good plan. BUT, I fear that reengineering the
vertical path of the tubes with a horizontal turn will add the grave
possibility that crud will buildup and block the process. MikH posted
a link to an article which describes the Scavanging process on the 2
cycle DDV92's. The Scavanging is blown out the Slobbertubes.

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP

The engineers design engines to operate optimal at a given temp.
That temp is controlled by a specified thermostat and fan cycle.
WHen the engine is cold or run cold the tolerances are out of planned
specs and the crankcase gets internal pressures. If you hold the
crankcase pressure in it will come out the weakest spot which is
around the tin pan and weaker gaskets. The other paths will weep oil
dynamically even when op temp is reached

I correct the drops of oil on my toad with windex and detail spray

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@...>
wrote:
>
> On my 85PT40, I routed the slobber tubes to a horizontally hung 30"
> long piece of 4" PVC with end caps and a drain in the bottom. There
is
> a breather on the top to allow ventilation. It is usually 1/3 full
at
> each oil change- No more drips!
>
> Shane Fedeli
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ac7880"
wrote:
> >
> > On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube". The
> > blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just
returend
> > from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1 gal
milk
> > jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent holes
at
> > the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of
blowby.
> > A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.
> >
> > Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet to
see
> > what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
> > radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
> > Dan
> > 94 BB BMC NM
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one each
> > tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the valve
> > covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase breather
tube
> > which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil
slobber
> > hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
> > >
> > > Leroy Eckert
> > > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > Niceville, FL
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Forman
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
> > >
> > >
> > > What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged with
> > dirt.
> > > > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other appliances
get
> > in
> > > the
> > > > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but the
> > > surrounding
> > > > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber tubes"
feed
> > hot
> > > oil
> > > > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog the
> > > > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with sudsy,
> > warm
> > > > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue if
it
> > > causes
> > > > the engine to overheat.
> > > >
> > > > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course the
> > engine
> > > can
> > > > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD 6v92
or
> > 8v92
> > > > (depending on year).
> > > >
> > > > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> > > >
> > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > aeonix1@
> > > > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look out
for?
> > I
> > > > > have an
> > > > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
> > experience
> > > with a
> > > > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to outside of
the
> > > > > "normal"
> > > > > things would be helpful.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

[mbulriss]

Greg, IMO Shane's plan is a good one. I had the exact same home-built
PVC catch system on my 83PT. as Shane pointed out, remember to vent
the tube so there's no back pressure on the scavenging effect. With
the PVC tube horizontally mounted under the trailer hitch assembly,
the slobber tubes still hang down vertically. They are just routed
somewhat backwards, just as they swing back in the wind when you are
driving down the road. Worked good for me also. It wasn't cleaning
the toad windshield as much as it was the burning smell of the oil
that got into the toad radiator and then burned off when the radiator
heated up.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Shane it sounds like a good plan. BUT, I fear that reengineering the
> vertical path of the tubes with a horizontal turn will add the grave
> possibility that crud will buildup and block the process. MikH posted
> a link to an article which describes the Scavanging process on the 2
> cycle DDV92's. The Scavanging is blown out the Slobbertubes.
>
> http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP
>
> The engineers design engines to operate optimal at a given temp.
> That temp is controlled by a specified thermostat and fan cycle.
> WHen the engine is cold or run cold the tolerances are out of planned
> specs and the crankcase gets internal pressures. If you hold the
> crankcase pressure in it will come out the weakest spot which is
> around the tin pan and weaker gaskets. The other paths will weep oil
> dynamically even when op temp is reached
>
> I correct the drops of oil on my toad with windex and detail spray
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > On my 85PT40, I routed the slobber tubes to a horizontally hung 30"
> > long piece of 4" PVC with end caps and a drain in the bottom. There
> is
> > a breather on the top to allow ventilation. It is usually 1/3 full
> at
> > each oil change- No more drips!
> >
> > Shane Fedeli
> > Hershey, PA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ac7880"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube". The
> > > blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just
> returend
> > > from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1 gal
> milk
> > > jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent holes
> at
> > > the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of
> blowby.
> > > A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.
> > >
> > > Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet to
> see
> > > what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
> > > radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
> > > Dan
> > > 94 BB BMC NM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one each
> > > tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the valve
> > > covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase breather
> tube
> > > which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil
> slobber
> > > hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
> > > >
> > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > Niceville, FL
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Forman
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged with
> > > dirt.
> > > > > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other appliances
> get
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but the
> > > > surrounding
> > > > > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber tubes"
> feed
> > > hot
> > > > oil
> > > > > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog the
> > > > > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with sudsy,
> > > warm
> > > > > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue if
> it
> > > > causes
> > > > > the engine to overheat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course the
> > > engine
> > > > can
> > > > > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD 6v92
> or
> > > 8v92
> > > > > (depending on year).
> > > > >
> > > > > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > aeonix1@
> > > > > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look out
> for?
> > > I
> > > > > > have an
> > > > > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
> > > experience
> > > > with a
> > > > > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to outside of
> the
> > > > > > "normal"
> > > > > > things would be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[sfedeli3]

Hi Greg,

I placed the sump directly under the tubes' original placement. I
just snipped off the bottom 6" and connected the tubes to barbed
nipples that screw into the PVC sump and they seem to dump a good
amount (1-2 qts) of sludge into the sump between oil changes. At most,
they are 15 degrees off vertical and do not seem to have a problem
draining. I did the modification when I bought the coach 3 yrs ago and
have run this way for about 30K miles with no leaks elsewhere. The key
is to keep the breather element on the sump clean with a shot of
brakekleen now and then.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Shane it sounds like a good plan. BUT, I fear that reengineering the
> vertical path of the tubes with a horizontal turn will add the grave
> possibility that crud will buildup and block the process. MikH posted
> a link to an article which describes the Scavanging process on the 2
> cycle DDV92's. The Scavanging is blown out the Slobbertubes.
>
> http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP
>
> The engineers design engines to operate optimal at a given temp.
> That temp is controlled by a specified thermostat and fan cycle.
> WHen the engine is cold or run cold the tolerances are out of planned
> specs and the crankcase gets internal pressures. If you hold the
> crankcase pressure in it will come out the weakest spot which is
> around the tin pan and weaker gaskets. The other paths will weep oil
> dynamically even when op temp is reached
>
> I correct the drops of oil on my toad with windex and detail spray
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > On my 85PT40, I routed the slobber tubes to a horizontally hung 30"
> > long piece of 4" PVC with end caps and a drain in the bottom. There
> is
> > a breather on the top to allow ventilation. It is usually 1/3 full
> at
> > each oil change- No more drips!
> >
> > Shane Fedeli
> > Hershey, PA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ac7880"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube". The
> > > blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just
> returend
> > > from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1 gal
> milk
> > > jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent holes
> at
> > > the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of
> blowby.
> > > A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.
> > >
> > > Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet to
> see
> > > what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
> > > radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
> > > Dan
> > > 94 BB BMC NM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one each
> > > tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the valve
> > > covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase breather
> tube
> > > which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil
> slobber
> > > hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
> > > >
> > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > Niceville, FL
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Forman
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged with
> > > dirt.
> > > > > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other appliances
> get
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but the
> > > > surrounding
> > > > > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber tubes"
> feed
> > > hot
> > > > oil
> > > > > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog the
> > > > > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with sudsy,
> > > warm
> > > > > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue if
> it
> > > > causes
> > > > > the engine to overheat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course the
> > > engine
> > > > can
> > > > > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD 6v92
> or
> > > 8v92
> > > > > (depending on year).
> > > > >
> > > > > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > aeonix1@
> > > > > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look out
> for?
> > > I
> > > > > > have an
> > > > > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
> > > experience
> > > > with a
> > > > > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to outside of
> the
> > > > > > "normal"
> > > > > > things would be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Shane, Sounds like a good plan with a 4 inch open container. I wonder
if there is a way to cut a vent on the trailer hitch side of the pipe
one inch below the bottom of the cut slobbertube. that would
eliminate the chance of the catch basin from filling and blocking
the discharge of the vertical slobbertube. Above the barb is where
the scum may hook and buildup. If the sump hung independent of the
tube????

The now and then service requirement is where I often fail.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> I placed the sump directly under the tubes' original placement. I
> just snipped off the bottom 6" and connected the tubes to barbed
> nipples that screw into the PVC sump and they seem to dump a good
> amount (1-2 qts) of sludge into the sump between oil changes. At
most,
> they are 15 degrees off vertical and do not seem to have a problem
> draining. I did the modification when I bought the coach 3 yrs ago
and
> have run this way for about 30K miles with no leaks elsewhere. The
key
> is to keep the breather element on the sump clean with a shot of
> brakekleen now and then.
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > Shane it sounds like a good plan. BUT, I fear that reengineering
the
> > vertical path of the tubes with a horizontal turn will add the
grave
> > possibility that crud will buildup and block the process. MikH
posted
> > a link to an article which describes the Scavanging process on
the 2
> > cycle DDV92's. The Scavanging is blown out the Slobbertubes.
> >
> > http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP
> >
> > The engineers design engines to operate optimal at a given temp.
> > That temp is controlled by a specified thermostat and fan
cycle.
> > WHen the engine is cold or run cold the tolerances are out of
planned
> > specs and the crankcase gets internal pressures. If you hold the
> > crankcase pressure in it will come out the weakest spot which is
> > around the tin pan and weaker gaskets. The other paths will weep
oil
> > dynamically even when op temp is reached
> >
> > I correct the drops of oil on my toad with windex and detail spray
> >
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On my 85PT40, I routed the slobber tubes to a horizontally hung
30"
> > > long piece of 4" PVC with end caps and a drain in the bottom.
There
> > is
> > > a breather on the top to allow ventilation. It is usually 1/3
full
> > at
> > > each oil change- No more drips!
> > >
> > > Shane Fedeli
> > > Hershey, PA
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ac7880"
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube".
The
> > > > blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just
> > returend
> > > > from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1
gal
> > milk
> > > > jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent
holes
> > at
> > > > the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of
> > blowby.
> > > > A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.
> > > >
> > > > Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet
to
> > see
> > > > what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
> > > > radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
> > > > Dan
> > > > 94 BB BMC NM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one
each
> > > > tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the
valve
> > > > covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase
breather
> > tube
> > > > which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil
> > slobber
> > > > hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
> > > > >
> > > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > > Niceville, FL
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Scott Forman
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged
with
> > > > dirt.
> > > > > > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other
appliances
> > get
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but
the
> > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber
tubes"
> > feed
> > > > hot
> > > > > oil
> > > > > > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog
the
> > > > > > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with
sudsy,
> > > > warm
> > > > > > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue
if
> > it
> > > > > causes
> > > > > > the engine to overheat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course
the
> > > > engine
> > > > > can
> > > > > > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD
6v92
> > or
> > > > 8v92
> > > > > > (depending on year).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > > aeonix1@
> > > > > > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look
out
> > for?
> > > > I
> > > > > > > have an
> > > > > > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
> > > > experience
> > > > > with a
> > > > > > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to
outside of
> > the
> > > > > > > "normal"
> > > > > > > things would be helpful.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Terry Neal]

Shane & Greg,

There used to be a DDA after market kit to catch the oil from the
slobber tubes. They show up on eBay once in a while but are no longer
available from DDA. Here is a link to a company in CA that makes a
similar product.

http://www.walkerairsep.com/product_detail.asp?id=565

Same type design as yours Shane. Your PVC tube system is what I am
making for my PT40.


Terry Neal
Bozeman, MT
82PT40 6V92TA
74FC34 6V53T



sfedeli3 wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> I placed the sump directly under the tubes' original placement. I
> just snipped off the bottom 6" and connected the tubes to barbed
> nipples that screw into the PVC sump and they seem to dump a good
> amount (1-2 qts) of sludge into the sump between oil changes. At most,
> they are 15 degrees off vertical and do not seem to have a problem
> draining. I did the modification when I bought the coach 3 yrs ago and
> have run this way for about 30K miles with no leaks elsewhere. The key
> is to keep the breather element on the sump clean with a shot of
> brakekleen now and then.
>
> Shane Fedeli
> 85PT40
> Hershey, PA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > Shane it sounds like a good plan. BUT, I fear that reengineering the
> > vertical path of the tubes with a horizontal turn will add the grave
> > possibility that crud will buildup and block the process. MikH posted
> > a link to an article which describes the Scavanging process on the 2
> > cycle DDV92's. The Scavanging is blown out the Slobbertubes.
> >
> > http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP
> <http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP>
> >
> > The engineers design engines to operate optimal at a given temp.
> > That temp is controlled by a specified thermostat and fan cycle.
> > WHen the engine is cold or run cold the tolerances are out of planned
> > specs and the crankcase gets internal pressures. If you hold the
> > crankcase pressure in it will come out the weakest spot which is
> > around the tin pan and weaker gaskets. The other paths will weep oil
> > dynamically even when op temp is reached
> >
> > I correct the drops of oil on my toad with windex and detail spray
> >
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On my 85PT40, I routed the slobber tubes to a horizontally hung 30"
> > > long piece of 4" PVC with end caps and a drain in the bottom. There
> > is
> > > a breather on the top to allow ventilation. It is usually 1/3 full
> > at
> > > each oil change- No more drips!
> > >
> > > Shane Fedeli
> > > Hershey, PA
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , "ac7880"
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube". The
> > > > blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just
> > returend
> > > > from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1 gal
> > milk
> > > > jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent holes
> > at
> > > > the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of
> > blowby.
> > > > A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.
> > > >
> > > > Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet to
> > see
> > > > what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
> > > > radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
> > > > Dan
> > > > 94 BB BMC NM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , "Leroy Eckert"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one each
> > > > tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the valve
> > > > covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase breather
> > tube
> > > > which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil
> > slobber
> > > > hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
> > > > >
> > > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > > Niceville, FL
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Scott Forman
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> , Pete Masterson
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged with
> > > > dirt.
> > > > > > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other appliances
> > get
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but the
> > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber tubes"
> > feed
> > > > hot
> > > > > oil
> > > > > > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog the
> > > > > > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with sudsy,
> > > > warm
> > > > > > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue if
> > it
> > > > > causes
> > > > > > the engine to overheat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course the
> > > > engine
> > > > > can
> > > > > > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD 6v92
> > or
> > > > 8v92
> > > > > > (depending on year).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > > aeonix1@
> > > > > > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look out
> > for?
> > > > I
> > > > > > > have an
> > > > > > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
> > > > experience
> > > > > with a
> > > > > > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to outside of
> > the
> > > > > > > "normal"
> > > > > > > things would be helpful.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gregory OConnor]

Mike, I thought Texans like the smell of oil?

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...>
wrote:
>
> Greg, IMO Shane's plan is a good one. I had the exact same home-
built
> PVC catch system on my 83PT. as Shane pointed out, remember to vent
> the tube so there's no back pressure on the scavenging effect. With
> the PVC tube horizontally mounted under the trailer hitch assembly,
> the slobber tubes still hang down vertically. They are just routed
> somewhat backwards, just as they swing back in the wind when you are
> driving down the road. Worked good for me also. It wasn't cleaning
> the toad windshield as much as it was the burning smell of the oil
> that got into the toad radiator and then burned off when the
radiator
> heated up.
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
> wrote:
> >
> > Shane it sounds like a good plan. BUT, I fear that reengineering
the
> > vertical path of the tubes with a horizontal turn will add the
grave
> > possibility that crud will buildup and block the process. MikH
posted
> > a link to an article which describes the Scavanging process on
the 2
> > cycle DDV92's. The Scavanging is blown out the Slobbertubes.
> >
> > http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP
> >
> > The engineers design engines to operate optimal at a given temp.
> > That temp is controlled by a specified thermostat and fan
cycle.
> > WHen the engine is cold or run cold the tolerances are out of
planned
> > specs and the crankcase gets internal pressures. If you hold the
> > crankcase pressure in it will come out the weakest spot which is
> > around the tin pan and weaker gaskets. The other paths will weep
oil
> > dynamically even when op temp is reached
> >
> > I correct the drops of oil on my toad with windex and detail spray
> >
> > GregoryO'Connor
> > 94ptRomolandCa
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On my 85PT40, I routed the slobber tubes to a horizontally hung
30"
> > > long piece of 4" PVC with end caps and a drain in the bottom.
There
> > is
> > > a breather on the top to allow ventilation. It is usually 1/3
full
> > at
> > > each oil change- No more drips!
> > >
> > > Shane Fedeli
> > > Hershey, PA
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ac7880"
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube".
The
> > > > blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just
> > returend
> > > > from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1
gal
> > milk
> > > > jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent
holes
> > at
> > > > the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of
> > blowby.
> > > > A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.
> > > >
> > > > Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet
to
> > see
> > > > what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
> > > > radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
> > > > Dan
> > > > 94 BB BMC NM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Leroy Eckert"
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one
each
> > > > tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the
valve
> > > > covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase
breather
> > tube
> > > > which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil
> > slobber
> > > > hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
> > > > >
> > > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > > Niceville, FL
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Scott Forman
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged
with
> > > > dirt.
> > > > > > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other
appliances
> > get
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but
the
> > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber
tubes"
> > feed
> > > > hot
> > > > > oil
> > > > > > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog
the
> > > > > > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with
sudsy,
> > > > warm
> > > > > > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue
if
> > it
> > > > > causes
> > > > > > the engine to overheat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course
the
> > > > engine
> > > > > can
> > > > > > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD
6v92
> > or
> > > > 8v92
> > > > > > (depending on year).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > > aeonix1@
> > > > > > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look
out
> > for?
> > > > I
> > > > > > > have an
> > > > > > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
> > > > experience
> > > > > with a
> > > > > > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to
outside of
> > the
> > > > > > > "normal"
> > > > > > > things would be helpful.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Tom Warner]

My 1985 PT40 DD 6V92 has the original DD airbox metal drain oil
catchers. I never have had oil on the jeep that I tow.

tom warner
1985 PT 40

At 08:37 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote:
>Shane & Greg,
>
>There used to be a DDA after market kit to catch the oil from the
>slobber tubes. They show up on eBay once in a while but are no longer
>available from DDA. Here is a link to a company in CA that makes a
>similar product.
>
>http://www.walkerairsep.com/product_detail.asp?id=565
>
>Same type design as yours Shane. Your PVC tube system is what I am
>making for my PT40.
>
>
>Terry Neal
>Bozeman, MT
>82PT40 6V92TA
>74FC34 6V53T
>
>
>
>sfedeli3 wrote:
>
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > I placed the sump directly under the tubes' original placement. I
> > just snipped off the bottom 6" and connected the tubes to barbed
> > nipples that screw into the PVC sump and they seem to dump a good
> > amount (1-2 qts) of sludge into the sump between oil changes. At most,
> > they are 15 degrees off vertical and do not seem to have a problem
> > draining. I did the modification when I bought the coach 3 yrs ago and
> > have run this way for about 30K miles with no leaks elsewhere. The key
> > is to keep the breather element on the sump clean with a shot of
> > brakekleen now and then.
> >
> > Shane Fedeli
> > 85PT40
> > Hershey, PA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , "Gregory OConnor"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Shane it sounds like a good plan. BUT, I fear that reengineering the
> > > vertical path of the tubes with a horizontal turn will add the grave
> > > possibility that crud will buildup and block the process. MikH posted
> > > a link to an article which describes the Scavanging process on the 2
> > > cycle DDV92's. The Scavanging is blown out the Slobbertubes.
> > >
> > > http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP
> > <http://www.yachtsurvey.com/comparing_die...es.htm#TOP>
> > >
> > > The engineers design engines to operate optimal at a given temp.
> > > That temp is controlled by a specified thermostat and fan cycle.
> > > WHen the engine is cold or run cold the tolerances are out of planned
> > > specs and the crankcase gets internal pressures. If you hold the
> > > crankcase pressure in it will come out the weakest spot which is
> > > around the tin pan and weaker gaskets. The other paths will weep oil
> > > dynamically even when op temp is reached
> > >
> > > I correct the drops of oil on my toad with windex and detail spray
> > >
> > > GregoryO'Connor
> > > 94ptRomolandCa
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , "sfedeli3" <sfedeli3@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On my 85PT40, I routed the slobber tubes to a horizontally hung 30"
> > > > long piece of 4" PVC with end caps and a drain in the bottom. There
> > > is
> > > > a breather on the top to allow ventilation. It is usually 1/3 full
> > > at
> > > > each oil change- No more drips!
> > > >
> > > > Shane Fedeli
> > > > Hershey, PA
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , "ac7880"
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On my 94 Bluebird BMC I have one engine vent "slobber tube". The
> > > > > blowby was ending up on the tow car. On our trip we just
> > > returend
> > > > > from, I used a empty 1 gallon distilled water jug (like a 1 gal
> > > milk
> > > > > jug), stuffed some steel wool down into it, cut some vent holes
> > > at
> > > > > the top, and wired/duct taped it to the slobber tube. End of
> > > blowby.
> > > > > A 2 liter soda bottle should work also.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just returned home yesterday, and haven't checked the jug yet to
> > > see
> > > > > what it collected, but the tow car is clean. Should work for
> > > > > radiator contamination prevention of blowby.
> > > > > Dan
> > > > > 94 BB BMC NM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , "Leroy Eckert"
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A part of the crankcase ventilation system. I my case one each
> > > > > tube attached to the left and right cylinder heads near the valve
> > > > > covers which drop to road level and one large crankcase breather
> > > tube
> > > > > which hangs well below the engine pan. In my set up any oil
> > > slobber
> > > > > hits the road. Hence, the buzz word "slobber tubes"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Leroy Eckert
> > > > > > 1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
> > > > > > Niceville, FL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Scott Forman
> > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:01 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 86 PT38...any pitfalls?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is a "slobber tube"? Never heard that one....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , Pete Masterson
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PTs have a tendency for the radiator to become clogged with
> > > > > dirt.
> > > > > > > It's difficult to examine as shrouds and other appliances
> > > get
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > way. The area swept by the fan usually is clear, but the
> > > > > > surrounding
> > > > > > > area can be clogged with oily-dirt. (The "slobber tubes"
> > > feed
> > > > > hot
> > > > > > oil
> > > > > > > vapor that mixes with dirt kicked up by the fan to clog the
> > > > > > > radiator.) This is a maintenance item (wash out with sudsy,
> > > > > warm
> > > > > > > water from time to time) but can become a serious issue if
> > > it
> > > > > > causes
> > > > > > > the engine to overheat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Most of the rest is standard 'bird stuff... Of course the
> > > > > engine
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > have some considerable differences -- cat 3208 vs DD 6v92
> > > or
> > > > > 8v92
> > > > > > > (depending on year).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You won't need a 'swing away' radiator!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > > > aeonix1@
> > > > > > > On the road at Johnson City Texas
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2007, at 5:38 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Are there are common problems on PT's I should look out
> > > for?
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > have an
> > > > > > > > FC and know a lot about them, but have zero hands-on
> > > > > experience
> > > > > > with a
> > > > > > > > PT. Anything I should pay special attention to outside of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > "normal"
> > > > > > > > things would be helpful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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