Mr. Oliver

[Pete Masterson]

I asked Paul Davis about the controversy, based on the messages that appeared on this list near the time I was buying my coach. He (Paul Davis) gave a brief description of "his side" ... It's not an issue to me. I was satisfied in my dealings with Mr. Davis. I wasn't "pointing any fingers" at any one and I'm not interested in arguing about it. 

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Feb 11, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Wallace Craig wrote:

Pete, I don't know who you discussed it with but it Damn sure was not with me; and I was at the dead center of the dealings and know exactly what happened.  You need to ask Phil Corpus,he knows the truth as does Ralph Fullenwider. I stand by mhy Post.                    

Masterson <"aeonix1@mac.com"> wrote:

<snip>

Note. There was a member of this list who had a dispute with Mr. Davis. I discussed the comments repeated on this list with him, and about all I can say about it is that there are two sides to the issue -- and that you can't please every one.

If I were to buy another RV, I'd certainly consider getting one from Paul Davis at Mr. Oliver's.

<snip>

[mbulriss]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:

> 83 may have had 11R.---

No 'may have' about it. I had an 83 PT40 for 9 years. They had 11Rs
as standard from the factory.

Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX



In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson wrote:
>
> On Feb 11, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Scott Forman wrote:
>
> > FWIW-
> > <snip> A couple things that struck me as
> > odd on this particular coach-
> >
> > It has 11R tires...didn't PT's have 12R's? Mine does.
>
> 83 may have had 11R. Note that it also has a 6v92. As the 'birds got
> heavier they also got the 8v92 and bigger tires (along with heavier
> axles, etc.)
>
> >
> > Ad says rebuilt motor, but the engine compartment pic doesn't look
> > much like it has been overhauled
>
> Hard to tell, at best... and it doesn't say how long ago the rebuild
> took place. 15 or 20,000 miles on a rebuild might leave an engine
> compartment looking about like the one that's shown. It looks like
> 202,821 miles on the odometer (if it's accurate). For all we know,
> the rebuild could have been 50,000 miles back...
>
> > <snip>
> > That being said, someone spent a lot of money on this coach doing
> > updating & upgrades, so it may indeed be very nice. I have never had
> > any dealings with Mr. Olivers, so I cannot comment on them
> > specifically, but just remember that the great deals usually end up
> > being not-so-great. That is about as cheap as I have ever seen a
> > PT40 advertised, and it has been on his site for weeks. The true
> > great deale get snapped up quick.
>
> I think you're right, the best deals do go quick ... but the current
> high diesel prices and uncertainty over the economy may leave some
> potential buyers sitting on the sidelines. I'm not sure this coach
> has been up on the web site "for weeks" -- I only recall seeing it
> appear not that long ago -- probably not much more than a month.
> (January isn't the "hot" time to go shopping for an RV.)
>
> It's important to get some independent information about the coach.
> It might be 'on consignment' at Mr. Oliver's and priced to sell. If
> the previous (or current) owner can be found, it would be very
> beneficial to discuss the coach with him. (More so if the PO doesn't
> have any financial interest in the vehicle.)
>
> For an '83, this is one very nice looking coach -- and it seems to
> have many nice upgrades.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> El Sobrante CA
> aeonix1@...
>

[Gregory OConnor]

I dont like his practice of low mile statements only to make a
disclosure on the phone. this happened twice to me. I would still buy
from him because Paul doesnt come with the coach and I believe he
doesnt know if the coach is junk or a cream puff. You have to look
under the Mop-N-Glow. I get annoyed when a dealer or owner talks to me
when I am kicking tires. what they say and even the maintenance
documentation mean very little to me.

The Wanderlodges and Prevost that he gets I think are dealer trades.
many new coach dealers dont want expensive hard to finance items on
their lot. If someone comes in with 60 grand they would rather you use
it for a downpayment on a $180,000. new fleetwood sale. I bet 90% of
what Paul sells is a good deal.

I dont leave money decisions up to trust. Mom stoped giving me a
check for my birthday because I would call her bank.

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

[Henry Jay Hannigan]

---I own a 1990 SP36 and if you can get one for $40-45 thousand...BUY
IT.. I think the 1990 SP 36 is a great bird......check it out.......
regards,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36








In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella"
<bgaramella@...> wrote:
>
> Speaking about great deals-- Parliament had a 1990 SP with less
than 50,000 miles that
> I saw advertised in this months FMCA classifieds for $40k-45k?
>
> I don't know if this is the same one but, when I saw the ad my
reaction was WOW. If it
> sounds to good to be true, it probably is.
>
> Does anyone know about this? The link to the one on their site
follows
>
> NH-Bill 1983 FC "Coach"
>
> http://www.parliamentcoach.com/PREOWNED/bb039B%201990%
20BB/PHOTOSPECS.htm
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
wrote:
> >
> > FWIW-
> >
> > Call me a skeptic, but when I see a coach that appears nice
priced
> > aggressively-especially at a dealer-I get skeptical about what
the
> > hidden whammies are. I like the Mr. Oliver's web site because he
> > posts lots of good pics, I window shop there all the time, and I
have
> > studied the coach on there now. A couple things that struck me
as
> > odd on this particular coach-
> >
> > It has 11R tires...didn't PT's have 12R's? Mine does.
> >
> > Ad says rebuilt motor, but the engine compartment pic doesn't
look
> > much like it has been overhauled
> >
> > It appears to have a permanently-mounted external vertical
generator
> > exhaust. Nice feature, but I found out firsthand that an
unvented
> > vertical exhaust can cause excessive backpressure in the gen
engine
> >
> > That being said, someone spent a lot of money on this coach doing
> > updating & upgrades, so it may indeed be very nice. I have never
had
> > any dealings with Mr. Olivers, so I cannot comment on them
> > specifically, but just remember that the great deals usually end
up
> > being not-so-great. That is about as cheap as I have ever seen a
> > PT40 advertised, and it has been on his site for weeks. The true
> > great deale get snapped up quick.
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bingomaster05"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Was browsing for BB's and noticed a nice looking unit on Mr.
> > Oliver's
> > > site. Is Mr. Oliver's a respectable dealer? Does he stand by
his
> > sales?
> > > Unit looks good, but looks don't tell the story.
> > > Thanks alot.
> > >
> > > Dan Thomas
> > > Central PA
> > > Wannabe
> > >
> >
>

[erniecarpet@...]

In a message dated 2/12/2008 10:54:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, phil@... writes:

However, I have complete WRITTEN documentation of the issue, with
times, dates, and complete details.

Anyone doing their due diligence is free to contact me offline for an
outline of the dispute.

Thank you, Phil. Offline, I believe, is where any further discussion of this issue needs to take place.

I am all for the belief that the addage of crossing your "ts" and dotting your "i's" is most appropriate in any business transaction.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Weatherford, Tx

---

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[iwander_85pt40]

Dan,

IF you choose to deal with Mr. Oliver's, make sure you cross all your
"T's" and dot all your "i's". Make sure everything that is supposed
to be included with the deal, and on the coach, is there before you leave.

If you buy from Mr. Olivers, I suggest you arrange your own financing
prior to purchase. If you choose to allow the dealer to finance, make
sure everything you want included in the contract is accounted for.

As to one's "verbal" side of a story--it's a simple matter to minimize
an issue, especially when there is a major distraction involved, like
the impending purchase of a motorhome.

However, I have complete WRITTEN documentation of the issue, with
times, dates, and complete details.

Anyone doing their due diligence is free to contact me offline for an
outline of the dispute.

Phil Corpus
'iWander' 85PT40
Left Coast







--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bingomaster05"
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Was browsing for BB's and noticed a nice looking unit on Mr. Oliver's
> site. Is Mr. Oliver's a respectable dealer? Does he stand by his sales?
> Unit looks good, but looks don't tell the story.
> Thanks alot.
>
> Dan Thomas
> Central PA
> Wannabe
>

[Ernest Ekberg]

I just noticed this coach at Mr Olivers came with twin beds. I bet it
could be converted back to twins, if an individual wants original.
Ernie- 83PT 40 in Texas --- In
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mbulriss" <mbulriss@...> wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> wrote:
> >It has 11R tires...
>
> 1983 PT had 11Rs as standard equipment. I have never heard of
Matador
> tires however....
>
> Looks like someone spent a lot of money on this one at some point in
> its history. Lots of changes over a 'stock' 83 PT. I suspect the
> 202K miles scares lots of folks off.
>
>
> Mike Bulriss
> 1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
> San Antonio, TX
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW-
> >
> > Call me a skeptic, but when I see a coach that appears nice
priced
> > aggressively-especially at a dealer-I get skeptical about what
the
> > hidden whammies are. I like the Mr. Oliver's web site because he
> > posts lots of good pics, I window shop there all the time, and I
have
> > studied the coach on there now. A couple things that struck me
as
> > odd on this particular coach-
> >
> > It has 11R tires...didn't PT's have 12R's? Mine does.
> >
> > Ad says rebuilt motor, but the engine compartment pic doesn't
look
> > much like it has been overhauled
> >
> > It appears to have a permanently-mounted external vertical
generator
> > exhaust. Nice feature, but I found out firsthand that an
unvented
> > vertical exhaust can cause excessive backpressure in the gen
engine
> >
> > That being said, someone spent a lot of money on this coach doing
> > updating & upgrades, so it may indeed be very nice. I have never
had
> > any dealings with Mr. Olivers, so I cannot comment on them
> > specifically, but just remember that the great deals usually end
up
> > being not-so-great. That is about as cheap as I have ever seen a
> > PT40 advertised, and it has been on his site for weeks. The true
> > great deale get snapped up quick.
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bingomaster05"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Was browsing for BB's and noticed a nice looking unit on Mr.
> > Oliver's
> > > site. Is Mr. Oliver's a respectable dealer? Does he stand by
his
> > sales?
> > > Unit looks good, but looks don't tell the story.
> > > Thanks alot.
> > >
> > > Dan Thomas
> > > Central PA
> > > Wannabe
> > >
> >
>

[Gardner Yeaw]

It was likley good, cause it's already sold. I called today.

Gardner
still 78FC33


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella"
<bgaramella@...> wrote:
>
> Speaking about great deals-- Parliament had a 1990 SP with less
than 50,000 miles that
> I saw advertised in this months FMCA classifieds for $40k-45k?
>
> I don't know if this is the same one but, when I saw the ad my
reaction was WOW. If it
> sounds to good to be true, it probably is.
>
> Does anyone know about this? The link to the one on their site
follows
>
> NH-Bill 1983 FC "Coach"
>
> http://www.parliamentcoach.com/PREOWNED/bb039B%201990%
20BB/PHOTOSPECS.htm
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman" <sforman@>
wrote:
> >
> > FWIW-
> >
> > Call me a skeptic, but when I see a coach that appears nice
priced
> > aggressively-especially at a dealer-I get skeptical about what
the
> > hidden whammies are. I like the Mr. Oliver's web site because
he
> > posts lots of good pics, I window shop there all the time, and I
have
> > studied the coach on there now. A couple things that struck me
as
> > odd on this particular coach-
> >
> > It has 11R tires...didn't PT's have 12R's? Mine does.
> >
> > Ad says rebuilt motor, but the engine compartment pic doesn't
look
> > much like it has been overhauled
> >
> > It appears to have a permanently-mounted external vertical
generator
> > exhaust. Nice feature, but I found out firsthand that an
unvented
> > vertical exhaust can cause excessive backpressure in the gen
engine
> >
> > That being said, someone spent a lot of money on this coach
doing
> > updating & upgrades, so it may indeed be very nice. I have
never had
> > any dealings with Mr. Olivers, so I cannot comment on them
> > specifically, but just remember that the great deals usually end
up
> > being not-so-great. That is about as cheap as I have ever seen
a
> > PT40 advertised, and it has been on his site for weeks. The
true
> > great deale get snapped up quick.
> >
> > Scott Forman
> > 86 PT38
> > Memphis
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bingomaster05"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Was browsing for BB's and noticed a nice looking unit on Mr.
> > Oliver's
> > > site. Is Mr. Oliver's a respectable dealer? Does he stand by
his
> > sales?
> > > Unit looks good, but looks don't tell the story.
> > > Thanks alot.
> > >
> > > Dan Thomas
> > > Central PA
> > > Wannabe
> > >
> >
>

[Gardner Yeaw]

I meant the SP ar Parlement.

Gardner
78FC33
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
wrote:
>
> It was likley good, cause it's already sold. I called today.
>
> Gardner
> still 78FC33
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garamella"
> <bgaramella@> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking about great deals-- Parliament had a 1990 SP with less
> than 50,000 miles that
> > I saw advertised in this months FMCA classifieds for $40k-45k?
> >
> > I don't know if this is the same one but, when I saw the ad my
> reaction was WOW. If it
> > sounds to good to be true, it probably is.
> >
> > Does anyone know about this? The link to the one on their site
> follows
> >
> > NH-Bill 1983 FC "Coach"
> >
> > http://www.parliamentcoach.com/PREOWNED/bb039B%201990%
> 20BB/PHOTOSPECS.htm
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Forman"
<sforman@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW-
> > >
> > > Call me a skeptic, but when I see a coach that appears nice
> priced
> > > aggressively-especially at a dealer-I get skeptical about what
> the
> > > hidden whammies are. I like the Mr. Oliver's web site because
> he
> > > posts lots of good pics, I window shop there all the time, and
I
> have
> > > studied the coach on there now. A couple things that struck
me
> as
> > > odd on this particular coach-
> > >
> > > It has 11R tires...didn't PT's have 12R's? Mine does.
> > >
> > > Ad says rebuilt motor, but the engine compartment pic doesn't
> look
> > > much like it has been overhauled
> > >
> > > It appears to have a permanently-mounted external vertical
> generator
> > > exhaust. Nice feature, but I found out firsthand that an
> unvented
> > > vertical exhaust can cause excessive backpressure in the gen
> engine
> > >
> > > That being said, someone spent a lot of money on this coach
> doing
> > > updating & upgrades, so it may indeed be very nice. I have
> never had
> > > any dealings with Mr. Olivers, so I cannot comment on them
> > > specifically, but just remember that the great deals usually
end
> up
> > > being not-so-great. That is about as cheap as I have ever
seen
> a
> > > PT40 advertised, and it has been on his site for weeks. The
> true
> > > great deale get snapped up quick.
> > >
> > > Scott Forman
> > > 86 PT38
> > > Memphis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "bingomaster05"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Was browsing for BB's and noticed a nice looking unit on
Mr.
> > > Oliver's
> > > > site. Is Mr. Oliver's a respectable dealer? Does he stand
by
> his
> > > sales?
> > > > Unit looks good, but looks don't tell the story.
> > > > Thanks alot.
> > > >
> > > > Dan Thomas
> > > > Central PA
> > > > Wannabe
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Ryan Wright]

Dan,

I bought my coach from a gentleman who had it on consignment with Paul
Davis. I am exceptionally happy with Mr. Davis and would buy from him
again.

Paul is an honest, straight up man. He let my family stay in the coach
on his lot overnight to make sure we liked it, and told me to make a
list of any problems I found so he could fix them in the morning. I
found a few minor issues and true to his word, he had them fixed right
away. He gave us a car to use, so we could get around town and
purchase food and other items we needed for the 2,000+ mile drive
home. He gave us a key to his gate so we could run around during the
evening after he had closed. He and his people spent hours and hours
answering all of my questions, teaching me about the coach, even gave
me a quick & dirty driving lesson as I'd never operated something this
big before. Pretty darn nice for someone who is only selling a coach
on consignment, in my opinion.

The only caveat I can provide is to have the coach inspected by Ralph
Fullenwider, for two reasons: (1) Just to put another set of
professional eyes on it above & beyond Paul's techs (who do a great
job, by the way); and (2) On a purchase of this kind it's just a good
idea to have a "buyer's agent" go over it. The only, I repeat only,
reason I say this is because Paul's business is flipping coaches so he
doesn't always know the full history and may miss things. He has the
coach in his possession for a short period of time before it moves on
to a new owner. They go through every coach pretty well and Paul's
technicians are smart people - I watched them inspect and make repairs
to another coach and they seemed quite thorough to me - but these are
complicated machines and sneaky problems can get by everyone. One more
set of experienced eyes is always good.

I do not believe Paul would sell any coach that had a serious problem
if he was aware of it so in regards to his character I have nothing
but praise for the man.

Now, all this being said, you asked if Paul stands by his sales. I'm
not sure what you mean by that, but let me put it this way: When you
buy a 20 year old coach you're not going to get a warranty in most
cases. I'm not sure it much matters who you buy from in this respect.
So, don't expect to be bringing it back to any dealer or private
seller if you run into a problem a week later. These are almost always
sold "as is, where is." You'll want to get comfortable with that
before you buy from anyone. On the other hand, if you have concerns
in this area, you can always ask Paul. If the man tells you he will
warranty it then he will take care of you, but don't expect something
like this from anyone unless you've had a discussion about it and
you've been specifically given a warranty.

-Ryan
'86 PT-40 8V92

On Feb 11, 2008 10:38 AM, bingomaster05 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Was browsing for BB's and noticed a nice looking unit on Mr. Oliver's
> site. Is Mr. Oliver's a respectable dealer? Does he stand by his sales?
> Unit looks good, but looks don't tell the story.
> Thanks alot.
>
> Dan Thomas
> Central PA
> Wannabe