Shock mount:

[pgchd]

David,
Will do, actually I took another look today to validate what I told
you and it is as described. It also has a "plate" with a litany of
part numbers on the sub assembly so I'll post what I can find. Don't
be envious, as I said earlier, I have a "first off" the line s60,
manual serpentine tensioner verses your auto one, and on the DD site,
A very long list of engineering upgrades I stopped looking at because
it was depressing!!! :-0..... so luck of the draw some good stuff some
not so good!!!!!! As long as it keeps runnin, I'm happy
Pete, Donna, Luckybear Chin
95 42' greater Daytona beach area

PS..... I'll be on "concrete" in Asheville over the 4th for 2 weeks so
I'll post the pics and #'s around then.


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, David Brady wrote:
>
> I'm jealous, yours sounds better. Eagerly awaiting pics. While
> your down there, see if you can spot a part number on the suspension
> assembly. Mine has 2270026 written on it, in big handwritten
> letters. Don't go overboard looking for a number.
>
> David Brady
> '02 LXi, NC
>
> pgchd wrote:
> >
> > David,
> > Thank you!!!! Well that explains some of it,I can see exactly what
> > you, Pete and Kurt are talking about. Thats why I love all these
> > forums!!!! Yes I can see the issue. Now for the update..... in
> > thinking about this after my post, I realized indeed it is a
> > "manufacturer subassembly " provider chassis suspension issue not a
> > front axle issue. Since these things share a common chassis with the
> > express bus line indeed all BB did was order the suspension assembly's
> > for all chassis and bolt them into the frame. I actually do not have
> > that suspension assembly in my early 95 42'. The 3 "attach point
> > plates" shown in the drawing you provided the link to is actually 1-
> > 4 foot long steel plate, very thick, spanning both air bags and in a
> > word forms a sub frame for the suspension components within a frame
> > of the entire air bag assembly and you bolt it to the frame with about
> > 15- 20 bolts, not 3 individual plates as shown in the URL. So my
> > hypothesis; FWIW , which probably isn't worth much, is that sometime
> > in 95 the suspension sub assembly manufacturer, not BB, made and
> > engineering change and went from a solid 4 foot long plate subframe
> > (mine) to a 3 plate setup, not subframe "guessing another financial
> > cost saving engineering change without changing the ordering part
> > number" technique on the part of subassembly manufacturer not BB since
> > all BB does is buy the sub assembly and install. Since 2 95's have an
> > issue and your later one looks like this one, I can only deduce 94-
> > early 95 back front ends should be OK as long as they have the 4 foot
> > plate / subframe. Yeah, I know, next request, pictures please.... :-)
> > YES, as soon as I get the bus to a concrete pad and practice "safe
> > techniques"(currently at a gravel COE lake park), I will submit as
> > well, this way forum members will have both sets and will know what to
> > watch out for, thanks again!!!!! again just my hypothesis..... for all
> > I know mine is a different assembly and part number........who knows
> > when things get this old!!!! as well as this owners eyes!!!! :-)
> > Pete, Donna, Luckybear Chin
> > 95 42' greater Daytona beach area
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > , David Brady
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's what it's supposed to look like:
> > >
> > > http://www.ridewellcorp.com/rv-ras227-steer.shtml
> > <http://www.ridewellcorp.com/rv-ras227-steer.shtml>
> > >
> > > This is a view from the street side. Notice the wimpy
> > > upper shock mount. Also notice the severe angle of
> > > the shock. This is part of the problem. To get a decent
> > > vertical dampening rate, the shock has to be set quite
> > > stiff. The dampening force in the vertical direction is
> > > (shock stiffness)*sin(theta), or about 0.707*(shock
> > > stiffness). This is also the reason that Koni won't
> > > provide a steer axle FSD for our BB's; they don't
> > > have a valve strong enough to provide the needed
> > > pressures.
> > >
> > > The upper shock mount on the curb side is much
> > > more stout as it's part of the spring perch and panhard
> > > rod attachment.
> > >
> > > David Brady
> > > '02 LXi, NC
> > >
> > > pgchd wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hummm,
> > > > Being a "dutiful" forum member and currently OTR for the next 5
> > > > months, I go out at lunch and "observing safe under the bus
practices"
> > > > (read did NOT crawl under, used a mirror and flashlight) I
looked at
> > > > both upper and lower shock mounts, street and road side. While a
> > > > closer inspection is needed, I cannot find any "stress
cracks". As a
> > > > matter of fact the road side upper mount is part of the air bag
> > > > assembly and the steel plate that has a "ribbed extrusion" to
mount
> > > > the shock is about 4 feet long spanning the front and rear air
bags.
> > > > It is also of considerable thickness. So I cannot see where a
7 inch
> > > > crack could form and me miss it. The "extrusion" shock mount
is only
> > > > about 3-4 inches long as part of this plate / air bag assembly and
> > > > bolted in several places to the frame.
> > > > I have absolute confidence that Pete and Bumpers birds experienced
> > > > what is so written. So I am left with theorizing maybe they used
> > > > different axles and mounts on these things?????? I know no 2
are alike
> > > > and a prior post said BB used different mounts?? Or not being
a heavy
> > > > equipment front end mechanic, I do not know what I am looking at!!
> > > > (probably so)
> > > > So any pictures of the issues would be extremely helpful at
some point
> > > > for us other owners as I for one, don't know what I am looking
at or
> > > > for. I did see the lower mounts as Dave described and the
> > > > attachments,Panrods?? etc.
> > > > What I will offer up is my 95 was one of the first off the line,
> > > > built in 12/94 for a show to debut the s60. I bought the old
boy from
> > > > the 86 year old original owner back in 2005 and we had a very good
> > > > conversation about its history. I will also offer up when I
recently
> > > > had an aliment done and changed out the tie rod ends a couple of
> > > > months ago, I was informed by the front end specialist I had a
Dana
> > > > axle 14.6klbs. He showed my the factory sticker and it matched
what
> > > > was on the internet. He allowed me to participate in the alignment
> > > > (greased palms before had usually works) and we had a lively
debate as
> > > > all my blue box manuals told me I had a Rockwell front axle,
and Dang
> > > > if he was correct!!!!! Glad he used the Dana specs!!!!!!!!
> > > > My reason for this post is to see if there are different axles
in the
> > > > front of these year things and if the "trend" is on all or
just one
> > > > particular "brand? installation type" ?????
> > > > Pete, Donna, Luckybear Chin
> > > > 95 42' greater Daytona beach area and permanent hurricane evacuees
> > > > since 04 and 05 when we had to evacuate 8 times in 2 seasons, now
> > > > pack and leave BEFORE, come back later, or see the insurance
company
> > > > and full time by default!!! Now you now why we bought the bird!
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > > , Pete Masterson

> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, it's probably better than the "beauty mark" I acquired
from a
> > > > > big rock in a stupid "round about" in the center of a narrow
street.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > El Sobrante CA
> > > > > aeonix1@
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 19, 2008, at 11:04 AM, bumpersbird wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe your coach air and leveling system function that way due
> > to no
> > > > > > aux. air compressor. I dunno, just a thought. You know not all
> > birds
> > > > > > are the same. I'm sure your coach being all electric and mine
> > having
> > > > > > propane App's. could account for some of the system
diffrences. I
> > > > > > know propane doesn't apply to the systems were talking about
> > but an
> > > > > > all electric coach is diffrent than mine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will keep an eye on my shock fix also. At this stage of my
> > life I
> > > > > > don't trust anybody's craftsmanship, been bitten too many
times.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was just in the middle of installing the mounting brackets
> > for the
> > > > > > extra cooling fans on the right side engine louvered door,
and I
> > > > > > scratched the you know what out of the paint :{) Mad at
myself for
> > > > > > not keeping to protocall when drilling through thin metal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh well another beauty mark.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt Horvath
> > > > > > 95 PT-42 WLWB
> > > > > > 10AC
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > > , Pete Masterson

> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I guess the jacks toggle the dump relay when they're
activated to
> > > > > >> level the coach. I do note that if I forget to dump the
> > suspension
> > > > > >> before lowering the jacks that the coach doesn't settle
down as
> > > > > > much
> > > > > >> as when I dump first, wait a few moments, then deploy the
jacks.
> > > > > >> (That usually ends up leaving me way up in the air -- and
that
> > > > > > often
> > > > > >> makes the first step from the ground a real challenge.
Wife just
> > > > > > says
> > > > > >> it's good exercise for us.)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Since I live some 6 to 7 hours away from CCW's facility
-- and
> > > > > >> because it kept looking like we were _almost_ done, I was
> > suckered
> > > > > >> into hanging around. I did have my laptop and Internet
> > connection,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > >> I was able to handle some of my business and keep in
touch. I was
> > > > > >> also able to search for parts when their inexperienced
service
> > > > > > writer
> > > > > >> was having problems finding some of the bits and pieces.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> When I first described what I wanted done over the phone (to
> > a now
> > > > > > no-
> > > > > >> longer-there employee), he first said, oh, they'd need
the coach
> > > > > > for
> > > > > >> 3 weeks or so...! When I said I planned to be on board,
the time
> > > > > >> estimate evaporated down to "2 or 3 days"... When I got
there, he
> > > > > > was
> > > > > >> long gone and the new service writer didn't expect me.
<sigh> I
> > > > > >> probably should have re-confirmed the appointment a few days
> > before
> > > > > > I
> > > > > >> drove down. I'd made the initial appointment about a
month before
> > > > > > the
> > > > > >> planned date to be sure they'd be ready for the service.
> > > > > > Everything
> > > > > >> took longer to a lot longer than I would have guessed.
Some of it
> > > > > > was
> > > > > >> due to the inexperience of some of the staff and some of
it was
> > > > > > due
> > > > > >> to unanticipated issues (such as taking 2 days to get a
computer
> > > > > > to
> > > > > >> read the DDEC codes -- with the IT guy trying different
things,
> > > > > >> getting different computers, wires, adaptors, calling the
> > software
> > > > > >> support folks, etc. etc.).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The length of the stress crack and the shape of the torn
metal
> > > > > > causes
> > > > > >> me to believe that this was damage that was long in
coming. Had I
> > > > > >> known that it was a "known issue", I certainly would have
been
> > > > > >> checking it frequently and I may have been able to have it
> > > > > > attended
> > > > > >> to before it was so seriously compromised. I'm unhappy
with the
> > > > > >> repair performed at Henderson's in that it led me to
believe that
> > > > > > I
> > > > > >> didn't have to worry, since it was fixed. So my
inspections were
> > > > > >> misdirected when I first heard the popping sounds. (It didn't
> > help
> > > > > >> that it sounded like it came from the opposite side of
the coach,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > >> I now realize that was an aural distortion caused by the
> > > > > > furniture,
> > > > > >> etc. inside.)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Yeah, it really hurt to have a $250 shock ruined, too.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Pete Masterson
> > > > > >> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > >> El Sobrante CA
> > > > > >> aeonix1@
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:12 AM, bumpersbird wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Pete & PT-42 guys,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> My left front shock mount was also torn up. My BB guru said
> > it's a
> > > > > >>> known problem???!!!&&#@$%^&*WHAT THE !@#$%^9)_.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The fix, just weld it back up! What the F@#$!
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> After installing new shocks a few months latter I replaced
> > all the
> > > > > >>> airbags. When they lifted the front end up with jacks
and the
> > > > > > front
> > > > > >>> axle was hanging with all it's weight and no air bags
> > attached the
> > > > > >>> shock must have just pulled everything down, ripping the
mount
> > > > > > off the
> > > > > >>> frame. Of course the new Koni was toast.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The mechanic was under the coach and I queried him, Hey
DUDE, I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > >>> you missed something here. Well it got fixed, he was a
certified
> > > > > >>> welder, they did add some gussetts as I recall. I'll try
to get
> > > > > > some
> > > > > >>> photo's of mine as well just to compair notes. The work
on my
> > > > > > coach
> > > > > >>> was
> > > > > >>> done at Prevost Nashville.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> If this is known problem. I would say anyone with a PT-42 95
> > to 97
> > > > > >>> might want to check for a potential problem.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Dang Pete 10 days in the parking lot! I think I might have
> > rented
> > > > > > a
> > > > > >>> car
> > > > > >>> and gone home. I've been there to and sometimes you
think well
> > > > > > their
> > > > > >>> almost done and bang, you find something else to get fixed.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> My coach has an air compressor although it's not really very
> > > > > > good,
> > > > > >>> well
> > > > > >>> it's just loud. I can air up the bags befor hitting the
> > STOW/STORE
> > > > > >>> button. So I either air up from Aux. compressor of from the
> > engine
> > > > > >>> compressor before I let her down. I never had a problem
doing it
> > > > > > that
> > > > > >>> way. In my coach it doesn't matter if the jacks are up
or down
> > > > > > the air
> > > > > >>> bags will inflate or deflate on command.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Kurt Horvath
> > > > > >>> 95 PT-42 WLWB
> > > > > >>> 10AC
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
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