Plumbing materials

[Michael]

I noticed when I removed my hot water heater the coach had copper &
galvanized fittings. The galvanized fittings sure seemed corroded.
Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?

Michael Putz
78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
Mesa, Az

[Pete Masterson]

Ideally, all the fittings would be copper. Considering the age of your FC, a previous owner may have taken a short cut and used galvanized fittings when replacing/repairing various components.

In a home I once lived in, copper plumbing was used, except the last few inches to the various fixtures were fitted with galvanized nipples and other fittings. When the house was 20-30 years old, those were really bad... and it was a lot of work to get them out, etc. The small economy involved at the time they were installed hardly seemed like a reasonable savings, but "lowest bidder" sometimes means shortcuts are taken.

Pete Masterson

'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42

El Sobrante CA

"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Jul 1, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Michael wrote:

I noticed when I removed my hot water heater the coach had copper & 

galvanized fittings.  The galvanized fittings sure seemed corroded.  

Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?

Michael Putz

78FC35 "Putz'n Around"

Mesa, Az

[Gregory OConnor]

Mike,you putz!, copper threaded parts are best to be fitted with a
harder metal. I think that is where they used the galv?? I replace
the galv fittings with brass even if there is copper avaliable. A
copper threaded with copper ends up screwing the threads (both are
soft). Using brass or galv keeps the threads erect. when you thread
a male plastic fitting into the copper, the plastic ID is way small
and it is hard to back out. Working with old copper lines I fit a good
treaded pipe wrench close to the copper fitting to hold the stress
from twisting the old line (for every action there is a equal and
opposit reaction)

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mike.putz@...>
wrote:
>
> I noticed when I removed my hot water heater the coach had copper &
> galvanized fittings. The galvanized fittings sure seemed corroded.
> Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?
>
> Michael Putz
> 78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
> Mesa, Az
>

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Michael:

I am in the process of changing my water heater as well, and yes, I would think so.

I have changed all of my piping inside my coach to Pex, with Wirsbo fittings, but fitting coming from the heater and all will be changed from iron to copper.

What heater are you installing in your coach?

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

----- Original Message ----
From: Michael <mike.putz@...>
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:55:37 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Plumbing materials

I noticed when I removed my hot water heater the coach had copper &
galvanized fittings. The galvanized fittings sure seemed corroded.
Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?

Michael Putz
78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
Mesa, Az

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Greg:

Good point, hey you not as dumb as you look LOL.

Thanks for the good advice.

Say hi to Tim.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada

----- Original Message ----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 5:40:01 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing materials

Mike,you putz!, copper threaded parts are best to be fitted with a
harder metal. I think that is where they used the galv?? I replace
the galv fittings with brass even if there is copper avaliable. A
copper threaded with copper ends up screwing the threads (both are
soft). Using brass or galv keeps the threads erect. when you thread
a male plastic fitting into the copper, the plastic ID is way small
and it is hard to back out. Working with old copper lines I fit a good
treaded pipe wrench close to the copper fitting to hold the stress
from twisting the old line (for every action there is a equal and
opposit reaction)

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", "Michael" <mike.putz@. ..>
wrote:
>
> I noticed when I
removed my hot water heater the coach had copper &
> galvanized fittings. The galvanized fittings sure seemed corroded.
> Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?
>
> Michael Putz
> 78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
> Mesa, Az
>

[David Brady]

But there will be galvanic action between the Cu and the Zn;

hence, the corroded galvanized fittings...



David

'02 LXi, NC



Gregory OConnor wrote:

Mike,you putz!, copper threaded parts are best to be fitted with a


harder metal. I think that is where they used the galv?? I replace

the galv fittings with brass even if there is copper avaliable. A

copper threaded with copper ends up screwing the threads (both are

soft). Using brass or galv keeps the threads erect. when you thread

a male plastic fitting into the copper, the plastic ID is way small

and it is hard to back out. Working with old copper lines I fit a good

treaded pipe wrench close to the copper fitting to hold the stress

from twisting the old line (for every action there is a equal and

opposit reaction)



GregoryO'Connor

94ptRomolandCa



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com",
"Michael" <mike.putz@.<wbr>..>

wrote:

>

> I noticed when I removed my hot water heater the coach had copper
&

> galvanized fittings. The galvanized fittings sure seemed corroded.


> Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?

>

> Michael Putz

> 78FC35 "Putz'n Around"

> Mesa, Az

>

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[Michael]

Hey Bill,
I'm replacing it with a WH1000-001 11 gal water heater from
Dupree Products. Rick was very helpful, informative, and I felt
comfortable with his knowledge. I was going to replace it with a
standard low boy style heater, but the heat exchanger model was only
a few dollars more and can aid in engine cooling too. Since all the
plumbing was already in place it just made more sense.

In my '63 Bird I had installed all copper and had freezing issues
when the bus was stored up in Kingman for a few years (blown
engine). I then had to open the walls and replace all the copper
with Qwest and have never had issue again. Now I'm finding an
abundance of copper in my new Bird and it scares me. I'll replace
the fittings to the appliances with brass but will be using some
other material every where else as I go through the coach.

Michael Putz
78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
Mesa, Az

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
wrote:
>
> Michael:
> I am in the process of changing my water heater as well, and yes, I
would think so.
> I have changed all of my piping inside my coach to Pex, with Wirsbo
fittings, but fitting coming from the heater and all will be changed
from iron to copper.
> What heater are you installing in your coach?
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael <mike.putz@...>
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:55:37 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Plumbing materials
>
>
> I noticed when I removed my hot water heater the coach had copper &
> galvanized fittings. The galvanized fittings sure seemed corroded.
> Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?
>
> Michael Putz
> 78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
> Mesa, Az
>
>
>
>
>
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[pattypape]

Take caution with any metal pipe fittings at the HWT.
The tank is aluminum and soft, MFG. recommends, plastic or a pipe
dope lubricant, it is possible to pull the threads out of this
expensive appliance.

BIll 88 FC Michigan

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mike.putz@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
> I'm replacing it with a WH1000-001 11 gal water heater from
> Dupree Products. Rick was very helpful, informative, and I felt
> comfortable with his knowledge. I was going to replace it with a
> standard low boy style heater, but the heat exchanger model was
only
> a few dollars more and can aid in engine cooling too. Since all
the
> plumbing was already in place it just made more sense.
>
> In my '63 Bird I had installed all copper and had freezing issues
> when the bus was stored up in Kingman for a few years (blown
> engine). I then had to open the walls and replace all the copper
> with Qwest and have never had issue again. Now I'm finding an
> abundance of copper in my new Bird and it scares me. I'll replace
> the fittings to the appliances with brass but will be using some
> other material every where else as I go through the coach.
>
> Michael Putz
> 78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
> Mesa, Az
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
> wrote:
> >
> > Michael:
> > I am in the process of changing my water heater as well, and yes,
I
> would think so.
> > I have changed all of my piping inside my coach to Pex, with
Wirsbo
> fittings, but fitting coming from the heater and all will be
changed
> from iron to copper.
> > What heater are you installing in your coach?
> > Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> > Terrace, B.C. Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Michael <mike.putz@>
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:55:37 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Plumbing materials
> >
> >
> > I noticed when I removed my hot water heater the coach had copper
&
> > galvanized fittings. The galvanized fittings sure seemed
corroded.
> > Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?
> >
> > Michael Putz
> > 78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
> > Mesa, Az
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Michael]

Thanx Bill, I was not aware of that. With the heat involved from the
heater itself and from the engine recirucalation I'll stick with
brass but will use an anti-siezing agent.

Michael Putz
78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
Mesa, Az


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
wrote:
>
>
> Take caution with any metal pipe fittings at the HWT.
> The tank is aluminum and soft, MFG. recommends, plastic or a pipe
> dope lubricant, it is possible to pull the threads out of this
> expensive appliance.
>
> BIll 88 FC Michigan
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <mike.putz@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Bill,
> > I'm replacing it with a WH1000-001 11 gal water heater from
> > Dupree Products. Rick was very helpful, informative, and I felt
> > comfortable with his knowledge. I was going to replace it with a
> > standard low boy style heater, but the heat exchanger model was
> only
> > a few dollars more and can aid in engine cooling too. Since all
> the
> > plumbing was already in place it just made more sense.
> >
> > In my '63 Bird I had installed all copper and had freezing issues
> > when the bus was stored up in Kingman for a few years (blown
> > engine). I then had to open the walls and replace all the copper
> > with Qwest and have never had issue again. Now I'm finding an
> > abundance of copper in my new Bird and it scares me. I'll
replace
> > the fittings to the appliances with brass but will be using some
> > other material every where else as I go through the coach.
> >
> > Michael Putz
> > 78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
> > Mesa, Az
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael:
> > > I am in the process of changing my water heater as well, and
yes,
> I
> > would think so.
> > > I have changed all of my piping inside my coach to Pex, with
> Wirsbo
> > fittings, but fitting coming from the heater and all will be
> changed
> > from iron to copper.
> > > What heater are you installing in your coach?
> > > Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> > > Terrace, B.C. Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Michael <mike.putz@>
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:55:37 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Plumbing materials
> > >
> > >
> > > I noticed when I removed my hot water heater the coach had
copper
> &
> > > galvanized fittings. The galvanized fittings sure seemed
> corroded.
> > > Shouldn't these all be copper fittings?
> > >
> > > Michael Putz
> > > 78FC35 "Putz'n Around"
> > > Mesa, Az
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > __________________________________________________________________
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> >
>

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Michael:

Replacing all of the copper lines in the water system, not the heating system, was relatively easy. The hardest part was putting the new lines up totheshower area. I did not have to take any walls down, but I did have to take the water tank, rear furnace,and ice maker out.

I also installed a chillipepper (cold water circulator) in the bathroom, so I can get hotwater without wasting it.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada