Replacing the TVs

[p_a_lazar]

Brad,

You do NOT have to replace your antenna. Digital TV is being broadcast
on the UHF bands and all TV antennae work just fine, if they work now.

Yes there are "better" HD TV antennae with more elements and better
amps, but you DON'T need them.

Paul

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@...>
wrote:
>
> FYI, If you don't use satellite or over-the-air TV, preferring park
cable when plugged in, I don't believe you have to change anything.
> To make your existing satellite TV work properly, you'll need a
converter box. And if you want all digital HD satellite, you'll need
a new antenna and receiver.
> Fortunately, we don't watch much TV on the road. Brad Barton
00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...
>
>
>
> To: WanderlodgeForum@...: spambate@...: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:28:10
+0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Replacing the TVs
>
>
>
>
> Wallace,You are correct, the converter boxes will work, but....Where
are you going to put the converter box so you can use the remote?Where
are you going to put the box in the bedroom?Going to digital TV will
just make life easier.Paul--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
Wallace Craig wrote:>> It is my understanding that a
converter box will obviate thenecessity to change out the TV set.
Unless of course we are justlooking for a reason to get a digital TV.>
> > Wallace Craig> 95 WLWB 42> Azle, Texas> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08,
p_a_lazar wrote:> > From: p_a_lazar > Subject:
[WanderlodgeForum] Replacing the TVs> To:
WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 3:37
PM> > With February rapidly approaching, thoughts run to the work
involved> in replacing the TVs for digital models.> > I would think we
can negotiate a better price to have the work> performed "someplace"
or "someplaces".> > I have seen a really nice "conversion" done by
Coachcraft by McDonald> (sp) outside Atlanta. The coach I saw had the
TV relocated to the> center of the front overhead and the electronics
moved to the driver's> side overhead. The storage/electronics areas
had black smoked> glass/Lexan which allows IR (remote control) to
operate and matches> the face of the LCD TV. Looked VERY good.> > I
know some have already done their own or paid others or are like me>
and watching time running out.> > If you have seen good conversions,
please share the info here or much> better would be photos of
completed jobs so we can all get ideas etc.> > I'm actually willing to
negotiate group work if others are interested.> I plan on having my
coach done sometime in January to allow me time to> decide on what and
where.> __________________> This opinion or advice is worth what you
paid for it > > Paul LaZar> Silver Spring, MD> 97 wb43> > > >
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[pgchd]

Hi Paul,
There have been several posts on various forums about members doing
new TV's, some "built in" and some on "swing arms" that lay flat to
the old overhead console, I have reviewed them all....beautiful work
and wonderful ideas. pts, wbs, etc. The thing the tripped me up was
the design of "our coaches" overhead with tv in the corner....saw a
"friends of birds" conversion 2 years ago of a 97 42, redid the corner
cabinet with smoked Plexiglas and moved the components there , major
overhead surgery installed the flat panel in the right corner "in the
overhead", had a hinged panel on the bottom and you had to remove the
TV to get at the right overhead fuses, etc......... Beautiful and
expensive but his " priority" design point was" "built in".
Got bored on the road the past 5 months and my priority design point
was no major surgery, when tv removed looks "stock" as I take the
coach "offline" and do not leave them in the coach when I am home.
They also generate a fair amount of heat and wanted airflow. Biggest
design point "freakin cheap".Stole and modified an idea from Don
Brander's post(thanks Don for the inspiration)".
Bought a sharp 32 incher and a "swingarm" mount" from the local
Wally world on the road as they were running a sale. Took the left
door off the "right hand" 2 door cabinet where the fuse/ relay access
is and installed the mount on the "upward beam partition". The mount
allows the TV to "slip onto it and 1 thumb screw" When the tv is off,
the mount rests inside the cabinet and you can put the left door back
on the hinge base and OEM with "2 snaps" per the design of the hinge.
MOunt does wire management inside of it.....neat, clean.......
Left the center cabinet electronics there as the swing arm moves the
tv around side to side, up and down, and with it as close to flat as
possible position (parked), you can still get the left door open to
work the "box, cd, DVD, player, etc. Stuff is old anyway and will get
upgraded one day.........
Took off the TV framing on the corner, went to the local box store
and got some molding, 1/8' plywood.Framed the corner cabinet out to
make a component area now vacant from the old TV and painted
everything black to match the TV and dash panel. Framed it out with
new molding and painted it black to match TV and dash also.
Ordered 1/4" smoked plexiglass online and brass hinges and magnetic
locks to match the "wine glass" cabinet hardware.
Mounted the satellite receiver and a couple of other new "IR" toys
in there, actually mounted the digital converter for the back TV in
there..........works great with doors closed through the smoked
plexiglass.
Utilizing the "srew mounts" from the base of the TV where the stand
sips in, got a pice of aluminum from box store, formed it into 2
pieces...... 1 screwed the the cabiniet inside with door off for the
mount, other to 1 screw in the TV where the base it would be if you
put it on a stand. They "mate" with a srew and wingnut" so I can
"park" the TV while traveling and it stays locked against the overhead
cabinet..... no movement
Upside:
- cheap - 60 for the plexiglass and hardware including shipping
- 20 for the box tore stuff including paint
- dont have to move anything and a new cool cabinet for
additional toy expansion
- easier access to the fuse /relay panel
- updated looking overhead
- easy to remove
- can hook up the PC if I wanted to
Downside:
- TV is NOT built in so it sticks out about 3 inches across the
front cabinet....coach access is not hindered but you do need to be
aware and does not look as cool as "built in" like some of the members
setups.
- yeah got to get out of bed and aim the IR remote to the cabinet to
change the channel in the back while the old TV is still in but will
fix this next year OTR.
Next years over the road project will be to replace the rear TV and
build a cabinet in the back......stealing and idea from an SOB
forum...using a piano hinde and building a tv and "face" into the
space but the whole thing flips up on air struts. Framing out behind
for additional storage........yes I get bored on the road with work,
site seeing, etc.....need to keep busy, and have 2 new struts from an
old project I need to find a use for....... later
Pete, Donna, and Lucky Bear Chin
95 42' Daytona Beach, FL





--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Pete Masterson
wrote:
>
> The converter box will make the TV continue to work... but the box
> replaces the TV tuner (you set the TV to channel 3 or 4 like for a
> VCR) and you use the remote for the box. In an RV, that suggests some
> mounting issues. In my 'bird, getting to the back of the existing TV
> to hook up the converter) is going to be a hassle (at the very least)
> and then, where do I put the box? Also, how do I integrate the
> (traditional signal) cable and (digital signal) antenna. From a
> practical standpoint, the converter box ought to go up front where
> the selector box sits. But then, the remote, which requires line of
> sight, won't work with the bedroom TV (where I generally watch most
> of my TV).
>
> The advantage of replacing the tube-TV with a digital LCD panel is
> reduced weight, possibly larger screen size in the same area, and
> (naturally) digital signal capability (to say nothing about HD
> performance). So, the issue isn't as straight forward as it may seem
> at first.
>
> Pete Masterson
> '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> aeonix1@...
> On the road at Buffalo, TX
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Wallace Craig wrote:
>
> > It is my understanding that a converter box will obviate the
> > necessity to change out the TV set. Unless of course we are just
> > looking for a reason to get a digital TV.
> >
> > Wallace Craig
> > 95 WLWB 42
> > Azle, Texas
>

[Larry Kehler]

I have a question for anyone that has replaced their TV with a flat
screen. While in Branson looking at the new coach, I ask Rick why the
big flat screen does not fold up flat against the ceiling. Which was
my plan so I could install a larger TV but still use the side
cabinets. Rick said that BlueBird had experienced very bad luck with
flat screens riding down the road in the horizontal laying down
position. He said the flat units can not take any shaking in that
position.
I don't understand how solid-state electronics would make any
difference what position they are riding.
What experience have you had?

Larry Kehler
94 PT40 WBDA "BAM"
At home in St Louis

[Rob Robinson]

Larry I installed a 32" Sharp in my 94. One homemade bracket that slips into the original TV hole. TV sits mostly outside the hole but there is no access problem to the two door cabinets on either side. I have a pic or two if you want me to send them to your PM

2008/11/4 Larry Kehler <"llkehler@gmail.com">

I have a question for anyone that has replaced their TV with a flat
screen. While in Branson looking at the new coach, I ask Rick why the
big flat screen does not fold up flat against the ceiling. Which was

my plan so I could install a larger TV but still use the side
cabinets. Rick said that BlueBird had experienced very bad luck with
flat screens riding down the road in the horizontal laying down
position. He said the flat units can not take any shaking in that

position.
I don't understand how solid-state electronics would make any
difference what position they are riding.
What experience have you had?

Larry Kehler
94 PT40 WBDA "BAM"
At home in St Louis

--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson

94 WLWB

[Curt Sprenger]

Rob,

Please send me the pictures. I believe you have my email address.

Thanks,

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Rob Robinson <"wander.rob@gmail.com"> wrote:

Larry I installed a 32" Sharp in my 94. One homemade bracket that slips into the original TV hole. TV sits mostly outside the hole but there is no access problem to the two door cabinets on either side. I have a pic or two if you want me to send them to your PM

2008/11/4 Larry Kehler <"llkehler@gmail.com">

I have a question for anyone that has replaced their TV with a flat
screen. While in Branson looking at the new coach, I ask Rick why the
big flat screen does not fold up flat against the ceiling. Which was

my plan so I could install a larger TV but still use the side
cabinets. Rick said that BlueBird had experienced very bad luck with
flat screens riding down the road in the horizontal laying down
position. He said the flat units can not take any shaking in that

position.
I don't understand how solid-state electronics would make any
difference what position they are riding.
What experience have you had?

Larry Kehler
94 PT40 WBDA "BAM"
At home in St Louis

--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson

94 WLWB

--
Curt Sprenger
1987 PT38 8V92 "MacAttack Racing"
Anaheim Hills, CA

[Al Scudder]

rob, send that pix to me too

----- Original Message -----

From: Rob Robinson

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:22 AM

To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Replacing the TVs

Larry I installed a 32" Sharp in my 94. One homemade bracket that slips into the original TV hole. TV sits mostly outside the hole but there is no access problem to the two door cabinets on either side. I have a pic or two if you want me to send them to your PM

2008/11/4 Larry Kehler <"llkehler@gmail.com">

I have a question for anyone that has replaced their TV with a flat
screen. While in Branson looking at the new coach, I ask Rick why the
big flat screen does not fold up flat against the ceiling. Which was
my plan so I could install a larger TV but still use the side
cabinets. Rick said that BlueBird had experienced very bad luck with
flat screens riding down the road in the horizontal laying down
position. He said the flat units can not take any shaking in that
position.
I don't understand how solid-state electronics would make any
difference what position they are riding.
What experience have you had?

Larry Kehler
94 PT40 WBDA "BAM"
At home in St Louis

--
Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
94 WLWB

[brad barton]

Thanks, Paul. I'll stick to radio from now on.

BradBarton00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: spambate@...
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:17:40 +0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Replacing the TVs

Brad,

You do NOT have to replace your antenna. Digital TV is being broadcast
on the UHF bands and all TV antennae work just fine, if they work now.

Yes there are "better" HD TV antennae with more elements and better
amps, but you DON'T need them.

Paul

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", brad barton <bbartonwx@.<WBR>..>
wrote:
>
> FYI, If you don't use satellite or over-the-air TV, preferring park
cable when plugged in, I don't believe you have to change anything.
> To make your existing satellite TV work properly, you'll need a
converter box. And if you want all digital HD satellite, you'll need
a new antenna and receiver.
> Fortunately, we don't watch much TV on the road. Brad Barton
00LXiDFW bbartonwx@...
>
>
>
> To: WanderlodgeForum@...: spambate@...: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:28:10
+0000Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Replacing the TVs
>
>
>
>
> Wallace,You are correct, the converter boxes will work, but....Where
are you going to put the converter box so you can use the remote?Where
are you going to put the box in the bedroom?Going to digital TV will
just make life easier.Paul--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com",
Wallace Craig@> wrote:>> It is my understanding that a
converter box will obviate thenecessity to change out the TV set.
Unless of course we are justlooking for a reason to get a digital TV.>
> > Wallace Craig> 95 WLWB 42> Azle, Texas> > --- On Mon, 11/3/08,
p_a_lazar wrote:> > From: p_a_lazar > Subject:
[WanderlodgeForum] Replacing the TVs> To:
"WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com"> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 3:37
PM> > With February rapidly approaching, thoughts run to the work
involved> in replacing the TVs for digital models.> > I would think we
can negotiate a better price to have the work> performed "someplace"
or "someplaces".> > I have seen a really nice "conversion" done by
Coachcraft by McDonald> (sp) outside Atlanta. The coach I saw had the
TV relocated to the> center of the front overhead and the electronics
moved to the driver's> side overhead. The storage/electronics areas
had black smoked> glass/Lexan which allows IR (remote control) to
operate and matches> the face of the LCD TV. Looked VERY good.> > I
know some have already done their own or paid others or are like me>
and watching time running out.> > If you have seen good conversions,
please share the info here or much> better would be photos of
completed jobs so we can all get ideas etc.> > I'm actually willing to
negotiate group work if others are interested.> I plan on having my
coach done sometime in January to allow me time to> decide on what and
where.> __________________> This opinion or advice is worth what you
paid for it > > Paul LaZar> Silver Spring, MD> 97 wb43> > > >
------------------------------------> > Yahoo! Groups Links>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
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[Gregory OConnor]

Larry, I think it might be that the frame suports the crystal and
there is nothing to hold up the center as by design the bottom frame
takes the stress. I noticed that the boxes they come packed in warn
not to be stacked on 'the flat' upside down and sideways was ok. I
kept my flatscreen at 32 inches in fear that a larger screen would
lack suport for the center crystal. I mounted my tv behind the
cabinet frame to keep it out of the stairwell traffic and not to
have the cabinet face dictate the view angle. The screen is way east
to crack and crystal replacement is not cost feesable
Greg94ptCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Kehler"
wrote:
>
> I have a question for anyone that has replaced their TV with a
flat
> screen. While in Branson looking at the new coach, I ask Rick why
the
> big flat screen does not fold up flat against the ceiling. Which
was
> my plan so I could install a larger TV but still use the side
> cabinets. Rick said that BlueBird had experienced very bad luck
with
> flat screens riding down the road in the horizontal laying down
> position. He said the flat units can not take any shaking in that
> position.
> I don't understand how solid-state electronics would make any
> difference what position they are riding.
> What experience have you had?
>
> Larry Kehler
> 94 PT40 WBDA "BAM"
> At home in St Louis
>

[Pete Masterson]

I don't think it's the electronics. It's the glass... The flat screen
is, basically, a sheet of glass with electronics coated onto it.
Glass does not travel well laid flat. I travel with dual 24" computer
screens. I've had no problems with them due to vibration, etc. They
are on a fixed mounting system, and since they're (designed to be)
very close together, I slip a cushion between them (while on the
road) to keep them for banging each other.

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lockhart, TX



On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Larry Kehler wrote:

> I have a question for anyone that has replaced their TV with a flat
> screen. While in Branson looking at the new coach, I ask Rick why the
> big flat screen does not fold up flat against the ceiling. Which was
> my plan so I could install a larger TV but still use the side
> cabinets. Rick said that BlueBird had experienced very bad luck with
> flat screens riding down the road in the horizontal laying down
> position. He said the flat units can not take any shaking in that
> position.
> I don't understand how solid-state electronics would make any
> difference what position they are riding.
> What experience have you had?
>

[Bob Lawrence]

We have an 84 PT36.
I mounted our LCD on our dash with the wall mount bracket. I have the
bracket mounted on the flat dash and prop the tv up when stopped.
It lays flat when traveling.
I found a wood inbed breakfast table that I place over it for travel.
Keeps the cats from walking on the tv.
We have had this arrangement for 2 years now. So far, no problem with
tv.
Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
Fulltiming-presently in Shawnee, Ok.

> I have a question for anyone that has replaced their TV with a flat
> screen. While in Branson looking at the new coach, I ask Rick why
the
> big flat screen does not fold up flat against the ceiling. Which was
> my plan so I could install a larger TV but still use the side
> cabinets. Rick said that BlueBird had experienced very bad luck with
> flat screens riding down the road in the horizontal laying down
> position. He said the flat units can not take any shaking in that
> position.
> I don't understand how solid-state electronics would make any
> difference what position they are riding.
> What experience have you had?
>
> Larry Kehler
> 94 PT40 WBDA "BAM"
> At home in St Louis
>