Bird Fires, information gathering

[Ralph Fullenwider]

Hello everyone:

There are some very good posts on the electrical systems. Sadly many are
supposition rather than known facts. While doing the arm chair thing can
have it's uses, certainly, we need to bring all the known facts together
for all of us to gain KNOWN FACT knowledge from the owners who's Coach's
have been effected. In this manner we can then say:
1. Known, Fire was started behind house battery tray in one Coach
2. I have not heard anything from Randy on exactly where his problem
started or the extent.
3. We need to hear from Rob, as the mystery there unfolds
4. Known; Owners have found potential problems with cables, battery
connector bolts and so forth.
5. Known; Battery cable runs are too close in proximity of positive and
negative.
6. Known: Cables on the back side of the plenum between the engine and
Coach start batteries deteriorate from generated heat.

If we keep the known's listed in some sort of order then the actual truth
of what, who, when and why will help us all. Add to this list or your own,
but let's deal with known facts.

Safe travels,

Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

[Ernie Ekberg]

Very well said, Ralph. Known facts are better then being Monday morning quarterbacks. Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Wanderlodge Weatherford, Tx 817-475-3991 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/erni...gandrepair --- On Fri, 11/27/09, Ralph Fullenwider wrote: From: Ralph Fullenwider Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Bird Fires, information gathering To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 7:50 PM Hello everyone: There are some very good posts on the electrical systems. Sadly many are supposition rather than known facts. While doing the arm chair thing can have it's uses, certainly, we need to bring all the known facts together for all of us to gain KNOWN FACT knowledge from the owners who's Coach's have been effected. In this manner we can then say: 1. Known, Fire was started behind house battery tray in one Coach 2. I have not heard anything from Randy on exactly where his problem started or the extent. 3. We need to hear from Rob, as the mystery there unfolds 4. Known; Owners have found potential problems with cables, battery connector bolts and so forth. 5. Known; Battery cable runs are too close in proximity of positive and negative. 6. Known: Cables on the back side of the plenum between the engine and Coach start batteries deteriorate from generated heat. If we keep the known's listed in some sort of order then the actual truth of what, who, when and why will help us all. Add to this list or your own, but let's deal with known facts. Safe travels, Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond" Duncan, Oklahoma

[Don Bradner]

On 11/27/2009 at 7:50 PM Ralph Fullenwider wrote:

>2. I have not heard anything from Randy on exactly where his problem
>started or the extent.

This one is the most thoroughly documented and dissected, just not here. You can
find the full discussion, including inspector's conclusion and photographs, in
this thread: http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/fo...php?t=4591

Pictures of the location of the short are found on the third page of that
discussion.

[Ralph Fullenwider]

Thanks Don

Will add the conclusions of Randys Coach to Rons.

Safe travels,

Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 06:14 PM 11/27/2009 -0800, you wrote:
>On 11/27/2009 at 7:50 PM Ralph Fullenwider wrote:
>
> >2. I have not heard anything from Randy on exactly where his problem
> >started or the extent.
>
>This one is the most thoroughly documented and dissected, just not here.
>You can find the full discussion, including inspector's conclusion and
>photographs, in this thread:
>http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/fo...php?t=4591
>
>Pictures of the location of the short are found on the third page of that
>discussion.
>
>
>
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[ronmarabito2002]

Excellent advice Ralph.

R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Fullenwider wrote:
>
> Hello everyone:
>
> There are some very good posts on the electrical systems. Sadly many are
> supposition rather than known facts. While doing the arm chair thing can
> have it's uses, certainly, we need to bring all the known facts together
> for all of us to gain KNOWN FACT knowledge from the owners who's Coach's
> have been effected. In this manner we can then say:
> 1. Known, Fire was started behind house battery tray in one Coach
> 2. I have not heard anything from Randy on exactly where his problem
> started or the extent.
> 3. We need to hear from Rob, as the mystery there unfolds
> 4. Known; Owners have found potential problems with cables, battery
> connector bolts and so forth.
> 5. Known; Battery cable runs are too close in proximity of positive and
> negative.
> 6. Known: Cables on the back side of the plenum between the engine and
> Coach start batteries deteriorate from generated heat.
>
> If we keep the known's listed in some sort of order then the actual truth
> of what, who, when and why will help us all. Add to this list or your own,
> but let's deal with known facts.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>

[Ralph Fullenwider]

At 07:50 PM 11/27/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello everyone:
>
>There are some very good posts on the electrical systems. Sadly many are
>supposition rather than known facts. While doing the arm chair thing can
>have it's uses, certainly, we need to bring all the known facts together
>for all of us to gain KNOWN FACT knowledge from the owners who's Coach's
>have been effected. In this manner we can then say:
>1. Known, Fire was started behind house battery tray in one Coach. Ron's
>2. Known, Fire on Randy's Coach started in the generator fan compartment
>un der the drivers seat. A cable shorted to frame from wear.
>3. We need to hear from Rob, as the mystery there unfolds
>4. Known; Owners have found potential problems with cables, battery
>connector bolts and so forth.
>5. Known; Battery cable runs are too close in proximity of positive and
>negative.
>6. Known: Cables on the back side of the plenum between the engine and
>Coach start batteries deteriorate from generated heat.

7. Known: Thus far the fires started started in 2 separate areas. I am
wondering if it might be the same cable, just the opposite ends?

8. Known: In Ron's Coach the cable that started it all went to the front of
the Coach burning out wiring looms along the way.

I only saw photos of the front area of Randy's coach, will have to re read
to see if the rear area might have been checked to see if there was heat
damage form that cable.



>If we keep the known's listed in some sort of order then the actual truth
>of what, who, when and why will help us all. Add to this list or your own,
>but let's deal with known facts.
>
>Safe travels,
>
>Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
>'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
>Duncan, Oklahoma
>
>

[Ralph Fullenwider]

Addition to 7 below.

At 08:33 PM 11/27/2009 -0600, you wrote:
>At 07:50 PM 11/27/2009 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hello everyone:
> >
> >There are some very good posts on the electrical systems. Sadly many are
> >supposition rather than known facts. While doing the arm chair thing can
> >have it's uses, certainly, we need to bring all the known facts together
> >for all of us to gain KNOWN FACT knowledge from the owners who's Coach's
> >have been effected. In this manner we can then say:
> >1. Known, Fire was started behind house battery tray in one Coach. Ron's
> >2. Known, Fire on Randy's Coach started in the generator fan compartment
> >un der the drivers seat. A cable shorted to frame from wear.
> >3. We need to hear from Rob, as the mystery there unfolds
> >4. Known; Owners have found potential problems with cables, battery
> >connector bolts and so forth.
> >5. Known; Battery cable runs are too close in proximity of positive and
> >negative.
> >6. Known: Cables on the back side of the plenum between the engine and
> >Coach start batteries deteriorate from generated heat.
>
>7. Known: Thus far the fires started started in 2 separate areas. I am
>wondering if it might be the same cable, just the opposite ends?

Add to 7. The same cable is feeding the front as it appears, But the cable
from the back does not look to be damaged. So am going to say that while
both Coaches had a fire, the fires were separate issues and not related
except to note that burned insulation caused by the whole of the battery
bank dumping amperage to a dead short and electricity, be it DC or AC will
follow the path of least resistance. ** Will be interesting to add Rob's
coach to this. **


>8. Known: In Ron's Coach the cable that started it all went to the front of
>the Coach burning out wiring looms along the way.
>
>I only saw photos of the front area of Randy's coach, will have to re read
>to see if the rear area might have been checked to see if there was heat
>damage form that cable.
>
>
>
> >If we keep the known's listed in some sort of order then the actual truth
> >of what, who, when and why will help us all. Add to this list or your own,
> >but let's deal with known facts.
> >
> >Safe travels,
> >
> >Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> >'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> >Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> >
>
>

[HANK]

Nice comments Ralph! Just the facts. Are you too old to consider law school?
Happy Travels.
Hank Hannigan In Sydney
90SP36 stored in California

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Fullenwider wrote:
>
> Hello everyone:
>
> There are some very good posts on the electrical systems. Sadly many are
> supposition rather than known facts. While doing the arm chair thing can
> have it's uses, certainly, we need to bring all the known facts together
> for all of us to gain KNOWN FACT knowledge from the owners who's Coach's
> have been effected. In this manner we can then say:
> 1. Known, Fire was started behind house battery tray in one Coach
> 2. I have not heard anything from Randy on exactly where his problem
> started or the extent.
> 3. We need to hear from Rob, as the mystery there unfolds
> 4. Known; Owners have found potential problems with cables, battery
> connector bolts and so forth.
> 5. Known; Battery cable runs are too close in proximity of positive and
> negative.
> 6. Known: Cables on the back side of the plenum between the engine and
> Coach start batteries deteriorate from generated heat.
>
> If we keep the known's listed in some sort of order then the actual truth
> of what, who, when and why will help us all. Add to this list or your own,
> but let's deal with known facts.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>

[Ralph Fullenwider]

Nice to hear from you Hank, hi to Naty. Ah old? hm how old is dirt?

Nice post by Kirt, the graphics are great! Thanks. I think we all agree
that this plague of fires is devastating. And once we make a correlation of
what exactly is happening, we as owners, even the older Birds can take that
knowledge into practical usage and save others. But then that is preaching
to the Choir.

Safe travels,

Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma

At 12:25 AM 11/30/2009 +0000, you wrote:
>Nice comments Ralph! Just the facts. Are you too old to consider law school?
>Happy Travels.
>Hank Hannigan In Sydney
>90SP36 stored in California
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Fullenwider wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone:
> >
> > There are some very good posts on the electrical systems. Sadly many are
> > supposition rather than known facts. While doing the arm chair thing can
> > have it's uses, certainly, we need to bring all the known facts together
> > for all of us to gain KNOWN FACT knowledge from the owners who's Coach's
> > have been effected. In this manner we can then say:
> > 1. Known, Fire was started behind house battery tray in one Coach
> > 2. I have not heard anything from Randy on exactly where his problem
> > started or the extent.
> > 3. We need to hear from Rob, as the mystery there unfolds
> > 4. Known; Owners have found potential problems with cables, battery
> > connector bolts and so forth.
> > 5. Known; Battery cable runs are too close in proximity of positive and
> > negative.
> > 6. Known: Cables on the back side of the plenum between the engine and
> > Coach start batteries deteriorate from generated heat.
> >
> > If we keep the known's listed in some sort of order then the actual truth
> > of what, who, when and why will help us all. Add to this list or your own,
> > but let's deal with known facts.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
>
>
>