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Plumbing woes - erniecarpet@... - 10-02-2006 07:14
Jimmy- the crimper is like a big pair of pliers with a notch in its head. By
inserting the fitting into the top of the crimper you simply close the tool
until you touch both ends of the tool and then let go. With the ratcheting
action, it put a whole lot of pressure on that crimp.
Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana
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Plumbing woes - erniecarpet@... - 10-02-2006 07:50
Leroy- it seems that you get more involved with hard surface materials, then
I do. I do wood and carpet. Thanks for your insight into the hard surface
aspects of coach flooring. If an underlayment is added on top of our coach
plywood, anything that slides over that surface would have to be adjusted so as
not
to interfere with the new floor. This could involve cutting doors on cabinets
and most of us have laminate. The less cutting we do- the better off I feel.
I do a lot of work in Big Sky, Montana- where money is no object.
Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana---glad to take all the money I can get in Montana
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Plumbing woes - Leroy Eckert - 10-02-2006 09:17
I had the opportunity last year to install marble flooring over PEX on and off
grade. The first floor was not a problem. The second floor was a different
animal. Light weight concrete was used off grade and did not meet deflection
requirements for the selected flooring. I used a special antifracture membrane
with heat resistant characteristics to do the job. I might add, without
warranty. So far, so good. I think it is a great product if it is used to spec.
Unfortunately, plumbers do not warranty flooring.
The home is in Mountain Village, Telluride, CO. Very expensive joint.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL
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From: krminyl@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing woes
My neighbor who lives across the street from our Mammoth Lakes house is the
plumber that did that episode of This Old House and the radiant heating using
PEX tubing. He loves the stuff, and can't understand why anybody wouldn't
use it. He's working on the contract for heating the new runway at Mammoth
Lakes Airport, using PEX plumbing and radiant heat. Pretty neat
stuff....pretty neat how all that radiant heating stuff works both inside and
outside. If
you get a chance to see that episode of Bob Vila's This Old House, it's worth
the watch.
Kevin McKeown
Yorba Linda, CA (Also Mammoth Lakes, I guess)
1986 38' PT
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Plumbing woes - The Squires - 10-02-2006 09:42
Leroy,
What about installing it in an RV?? Small solar collector on the roof for
a direct daytime heat. I have seen the flat electric type, but that would
require some shore/gen power.
Jimmy
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From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Leroy Eckert
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 4:17 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing woes
I had the opportunity last year to install marble flooring over PEX on and
off grade. The first floor was not a problem. The second floor was a
different animal. Light weight concrete was used off grade and did not meet
deflection requirements for the selected flooring. I used a special
antifracture membrane with heat resistant characteristics to do the job. I
might add, without warranty. So far, so good. I think it is a great product
if it is used to spec. Unfortunately, plumbers do not warranty flooring.
The home is in Mountain Village, Telluride, CO. Very expensive joint.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: krminyl@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing woes
My neighbor who lives across the street from our Mammoth Lakes house is
the
plumber that did that episode of This Old House and the radiant heating
using
PEX tubing. He loves the stuff, and can't understand why anybody wouldn't
use it. He's working on the contract for heating the new runway at Mammoth
Lakes Airport, using PEX plumbing and radiant heat. Pretty neat
stuff....pretty neat how all that radiant heating stuff works both inside
and outside. If
you get a chance to see that episode of Bob Vila's This Old House, it's
worth
the watch.
Kevin McKeown
Yorba Linda, CA (Also Mammoth Lakes, I guess)
1986 38' PT
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Plumbing woes - Leroy Eckert - 10-02-2006 11:27
Jimmy,
I have installed natural stone flooring over the flat electrical elements. The
installation is much easier because a mud bed either dry packed or lightweight
concrete are not required. I've never considered PEX in an RV flooring
application but I think it could be done. Frankly, it's hard to believe it would
be cost effective. It would require planning and grooving or elevating the sub-
floor to accept the 1/4" tube.
Preparing the substrate for the flooring installation is critical.
Deflection/movement will break stone particularly if butt joined. If I were to
attempt the installation I would use a backer board and an antifracture membrane
before tile. Floor elevations and weight are also a consideration. I have tile
in my bus without cracked grout joints. It has cement grout. Someone did it
right. I've seen several coaches with marble, none butt joined.
Regarding solar, it would only work in daytime hours. Electric, gas or diesel
boilers would be needed at night.
I understand from posts on this forum that Ernie Ekberg installs flooring in
coaches. I'm certain he understands the deflection theory and has experience in
coaches.
I specialize in very high end homes installing natural stone inlayed with wood,
granite, marble and mosaic. I address deflection issues daily.
When my grandkids are outa here, I want to install a travertine floor inlayed
with oak in my bus. I think I can make it work. However, I will keep my
Wabasto diesel fired hydronic heating system. Thanks for asking.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: The Squires
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing woes
Leroy,
What about installing it in an RV?? Small solar collector on the roof for
a direct daytime heat. I have seen the flat electric type, but that would
require some shore/gen power.
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Leroy Eckert
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 4:17 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing woes
I had the opportunity last year to install marble flooring over PEX on and
off grade. The first floor was not a problem. The second floor was a
different animal. Light weight concrete was used off grade and did not meet
deflection requirements for the selected flooring. I used a special
antifracture membrane with heat resistant characteristics to do the job. I
might add, without warranty. So far, so good. I think it is a great product
if it is used to spec. Unfortunately, plumbers do not warranty flooring.
The home is in Mountain Village, Telluride, CO. Very expensive joint.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: krminyl@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing woes
My neighbor who lives across the street from our Mammoth Lakes house is
the
plumber that did that episode of This Old House and the radiant heating
using
PEX tubing. He loves the stuff, and can't understand why anybody wouldn't
use it. He's working on the contract for heating the new runway at Mammoth
Lakes Airport, using PEX plumbing and radiant heat. Pretty neat
stuff....pretty neat how all that radiant heating stuff works both inside
and outside. If
you get a chance to see that episode of Bob Vila's This Old House, it's
worth
the watch.
Kevin McKeown
Yorba Linda, CA (Also Mammoth Lakes, I guess)
1986 38' PT
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Plumbing woes - The Squires - 10-02-2006 12:17
Ernie, So there is a metal? tube inside the PEX to keep the tube from
collapsing. then a compression element outside the tube that the crimper
tightens sort of like a hose clamp tightens? Or is it more like a
compression fit rf connector where the inside and outside elements are
pressed length wise until force together? What they showed on the classic
this old house in a Tucson house was a tool that stretched open the PEX,
slip in on a metal connector, on then force a sleeve over the outside of the
tube until the sleeve touched the rigid part of the connector.
Sorry, but trying to get a picture in my mind,
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of erniecarpet@...
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:14 PM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing woes
Jimmy- the crimper is like a big pair of pliers with a notch in its head.
By
inserting the fitting into the top of the crimper you simply close the
tool
until you touch both ends of the tool and then let go. With the ratcheting
action, it put a whole lot of pressure on that crimp.
Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana
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Plumbing woes - Leroy Eckert - 10-02-2006 12:48
Ernie,
You are correct! I deal with the elevation issues daily in condos. Trash
compactors, 140MPH sliders and ice makers give me #$%^. Laminate interior and
steel entry doors are nearly impossible to deal with.
Hard surface flooring in a RV has its issues.
I do very difficult jobs and charge accordingly. If the customer doesn't like
the price feel free to call me later. It will be twice as much to fix the
problem.
Keep on keeping on, someone's gotta do it.
Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40
Niceville, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: erniecarpet@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Plumbing woes
Leroy- it seems that you get more involved with hard surface materials, then
I do. I do wood and carpet. Thanks for your insight into the hard surface
aspects of coach flooring. If an underlayment is added on top of our coach
plywood, anything that slides over that surface would have to be adjusted so
as not
to interfere with the new floor. This could involve cutting doors on cabinets
and most of us have laminate. The less cutting we do- the better off I feel.
I do a lot of work in Big Sky, Montana- where money is no object.
Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana---glad to take all the money I can get in Montana
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Plumbing woes - erniecarpet@... - 10-02-2006 20:19
In a message dated 10/2/2006 7:25:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
j-squires@... writes:
> there is a metal? tube inside the PEX to keep the tube from
> collapsing. then a compression element outside the tube that the crimper
> tightens sort of like a hose clamp tightens?
corrrect. these fittings are not a barbed fitting, but have rings like the
barbs.
Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana
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