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Explosive Post⦠Propane Grill - Printable Version +- Wanderlodge Gurus - The Member Funded Wanderlodge Forum (http://www.wanderlodgegurus.com) +-- Forum: Yahoo Groups Archive (/forumdisplay.php?fid=61) +--- Forum: WanderlodgeForum (/forumdisplay.php?fid=63) +--- Thread: Explosive Post⦠Propane Grill (/showthread.php?tid=8173) Pages: 1 2 |
Explosive Post⦠Propane Grill - thomas_sorrentino - 05-26-2009 03:01 Thanks Ralph, it all makes sense now! Tom Sorrentino 1987 PT38 Bedford Hills, NY --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider" wrote: > > Hi Tom: > > I have had to have LP hoses made up to connect the Coach quick connect to a > grill. I change the grill in put piping by removing the "bottle" regulator, > installing a valve, (simple T handle shut off type,) I use the new T handle > valve to regulate the flame in the grill, Low/Medium/High. The other end of > the hose is connected to the male end of the quick connect. Easy enough to > do and can be done safely. Remember to check the LP at the grill for leaks > with the T handle valve in the off position. Oh there is also a huge shut > off valve on most Birds for the grill regulator that may need to be opened. > > Safe travels, > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond" > Duncan, Oklahoma > > At 02:20 AM 5/26/2009 +0000, you wrote: > >Hi Ralph, > > > >You said, > > > >Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such > >as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So > >the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator > >and should be ready for use. > > > >This all makes sense. I think where I ran into problems and got confused > >is this. It seems to me that all the small portable BBQ's that you buy are > >designed to work off the portable propane bottles. It also seems that have > >the built into them the Primary and Secondary regulator. If you try to > >work them off the the stock BBQ line from the bus, I could never get a > >good flame. So I think NH Bill's original question is how do we modify the > >new BBQ's that they will be safe and still work off of the OEM BBQ grill line? > > > >Tom Sorrentino > >1987 PT 38 > >Bedford Hills, NY > > > > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider" > > > > > > > > Hi All: > > > > > > The regulator is responsible for reducing the container's variable high > > > pressure that > > > is created by the "boiling" of propane liquid to a low pressure usable by > > > the individual > > > appliances. > > > To ensure that the propane system has the correct working pressure, > > > regulators are > > > required. The primary system regulator, located at the container(s), is > > > required to be a > > > two-stage regulator. This two-stage regulator can be an individual device > > > that incorpo-rates > > > both regulators, or two separate components. > > > The first-stage regulator reduces container pressure to about 10 psig. The > > > second-stage > > > regulator reduces the 10 psig to a little over 6 ounces of pressure (10 to > > > 14 inches > > > water column). > > > > > > Off the ASME tank there is the Primary regulator and each end point, such > > > as, BBQ Grill, Appliances, has a separate secondary regulator on Birds. So > > > the BBQ grill line, unless modified, is set with the secondary regulator > > > and should be ready for use. A manometer will check the proper inches of > > > water column, which is 11 inches of WC with 1/2 to 3/4 of LP appliances > > > being in use. > > > > > > If a new line is added or an old one plugged be sure to use the approved > > > "yellow" teflon tape for LP. And always be sure to do a leak check after. > > > > > > Safe travels, > > > > > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > > > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond" > > > Duncan, Oklahoma > > > > > > At 12:52 PM 5/23/2009 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Explosive Post Propane Grill > > > > > > > >I decided to get a grill for the coach and found a nice little 304 > > > >stainless infrared unit called the Stow- N- Go on sale at West Marine on > > > >sale for just under $100 < http://tinyurl.com/qndj25 >. It works great > > > >and is small enough to fit in front basement of our FC, gets real hot > > fast > > > >and cools off fast too and temp is easy to control and cleans up > > > >nicely. Although its not heavy duty, its beefy enough (pun intended). > > > > > > > >The grill is set up to run on small propane bottles and this works fine. > > > >Like many off the shelf grills, this unit comes equipped with a > > > >high-pressure regulator and in this case the control is on the regulator > > > >itself. I wanted to get a hose and fittings to use with the coach's > > > >dedicated Bar-B-Q valve. I just thought it would be a simple thing to do. > > > > > > > >I went to the hardware store and told the hardware man what I wanted > > to do > > > >and he said "Son, I got hose and fittings, but I don't want assist you in > > > >making a bomb. You best go talk with a propane man. > > > > > > > >I started doing some reading and spoke with a couple of seasoned propane > > > >specialists and the both sources stated to go with low pressure. This is > > > >the safe way and the right to do it. Therefore, one needs to MODIFY the > > > >GRILL to accommodate the factory RV system NOT the other way around. > > > > > > > >More than once I have heard some members talk about modifying the coach's > > > >propane system to accommodate the grill because they were not getting > > > >sufficient pressure from the on board outlet. This is a real concern to > > > >me. Perhaps I'm making a big deal out of something that is no big deal, > > > >but I ain't taking chances with propane gas NO SIR! > > > > > > > >With that, I started investigating what I need to do to use the Bar-B-Q > > > >outlet from the coach and learned that the coach is set up with a > > > >low-pressure regulator (6 ounces -10.5 inches water column). Apparently > > > >this is an industry standard for large RV systems and the safest way to > > > >run a grill off a large tank. This is similar to residential > > installations. > > > > > > > >"Another often asked question is "I have a low pressure regulator but it > > > >does not seem to supply enough gas for my appliance." Unfortunately, > > many > > > >of the preset low pressure regulators available in the marketplace use > > > >1/4"ID hose and some are attached to a propane regulator with a 1/4" NPT > > > >(normal pipe thread) outlet on the propane regulator. There is a > > limit to > > > >the volume of gas that can be delivered through this small ID hose at a > > > >fixed low propane pressure of 6 ounces . What can you do? Use a low > > > >pressure regulator with a 3/8"ID gas outlet and a gas hose of > > 3/8"ID. The > > > >amount of propane that can be delivered to the appliance is increased > > by a > > > >factor of 2.26 so the chances of starving your appliance for propane are > > > >greatly diminished. GasHosesandRegulators.com sells only 3/8" NPT outlet > > > >low pressure gas regulators and 3/8"ID low pressure hoses for this very > > > >reason. Our grey hose carries UL , CSA, and American Gas Association > > > >approvals and is designed to supply up to about 100,000 btu/hr of > > propane gas." > > > > > > > >http://www.gashosesandregulators.com/propaneregulatorfacts.html > > > > > > > >So, from this I conclude the best way to set up my grill is to > > > > > > > >⢠Eliminate the high pressure regulator at the grill > > > >⢠Use low pressure regulator from coach Bar-B-Q outlet 3/8" ID > > > >⢠Low pressure hose 3/8" ID > > > >⢠Install control valve between regulator and grill > > > > > > > >If I am wrong about this please let me know. Your comments and > > > >constructive criticism are always welcome. > > > > > > > >Wishing you all a happy and safe Memorial Day! > > > > > > > >NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------ > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Safe travels, > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider > 84FC35 "Ruff Diamond" > Duncan, Oklahoma > |