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RV 3012 M - Gregory OConnor - 05-30-2008 17:17

Dorn, I dont think it wacky to dump the genset. AC power usage is
personal. The big genset supply the airconditioner operation
efficiently but do a poor job on recharging batteries efficiently.
For Ariconditioner usage, I would bet the effort to recharge
batteries drained from an inverter run airconditioner is more than
running the genset to realtime power the aircon.

You may do well to drop in:
A....two or 4 L-16's house bank
B....The Xantrex inverter
C....a honda 2,000 watt mini genset ( why they call it an inverter??)
D....and a bank of start batteries.
It would be nice to have a small genset that runs on diesel but the
honda can run on propane. if you have not a need to use much heat
when you travel, the bus has storage for that fuel.

I have an over sized battery bank (6 L-16's) which is great for 3
days in the desert followed by 6 hours on the road to recharge. but
when it comes time to charge the large bank while camped, it takes
three times as long as running just two L-16 up to full charge.
There fore, there is not much benifit to a large bank unless you use
the Cat/Detroit chargers to rebank the juice as you drive to another
stop.

I like to schedule battery bank recharge for periods where I have a
high demand of AC usage like heating water and microwave cooking.
when the genset spinns I want to maximize benifit from the fuel it
consumes. I want the two inverter/chargers to have a backup inverter
and major amp recharge when I run the genset. The problem with
the 'Big BlueBird genset recharge exersize' is ;as the house battery
bank gets closer to full, the draw on the chargers goes way down but
the genset spinns effort that is lost fuel$$$$$. If I can justify
other uses for a Honda 2,000 watter, I would like to get one to run
on propane as my onboard propane supply is large and under utilized
(heater is coverted to diesel Wabasto). I would then not need to
cary gasoline.

Several other question about having two independent inverters
supplying power:

Would the two 110 AC outputs would be equivalent to two legs of
houshold current? combined to make 240?

DO the controllers shake hands??

GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dorn Hetzel"
wrote:
>
> In my 77FC35 the batteries are at the far left front corner, no
space for
> the inverter in their compartment anyway.
>
> The current battery charger (not an inverter) is about midway back
on the
> left side, same compartment as sewage host storage, probably ten
feet from
> the batteries, doesn't really seem like an optimum location for the
> Xantrex.
>
> Would I be crazy to put it inside the coach? There's a storage
compartment
> right behind the drivers seat that's probably big enough, and
within 2 feet
> of the batteries.
>
> Another question. The Xantrex hookup diagrams seem to show the
batteries
> directly connected to the 3012, and all coach loads hung behind
it. Since I
> have combined coach and starting batteries in my 77, I don't think
I should
> be running starting current through the 3012?
>
> I was considering pulling the generator, which we never ever use,
and
> filling that compartment with "house" batteries and a more
weatherproof box
> for the inverter... Too whacky?
>
> Dorn Hetzel
> 77FC35
> Hogansville, GA
>

RV 3012 M - bubblerboy64 - 05-30-2008 23:15

Hi Greg, Honda calls them inverters because they are not the
typical, a motor driving a generator to produce electrical current.
The parts which produce the electric are some how integrated within
the engine itself (which I don't fully understand how they do that).
This is done to save weight. I have several of them (used them with
my trailers and 5th wheel). Very nice easy to start, quiet. I carry a
1000watt as sort of an back up. I just installed a small inverter in
my bus prior to that if I wanted to watch TV or run a small appliance
I had to run the big generator. I dry camp some so if I could I
would run the Honda and plug the shore line into it which was much
more fuel efficient and if I could set the Honda off a distance you
could not hear it at all inside the bus. My house generator does not
have a separate battery so if I screw up and run my batteries too low
I can't start the bus. So I have the Honda in my storage compartment
just in case. I can either charge the batteries with the Honda or
jump the generator using the Honda. Problem of course is carrying
gas. Propane would work but then you would not have the ability to
move the generator from location to location, unless of course you
used a small propane tank which you could move with the Honda or
rigged up some type of hose system. They are very nice, typical high
quality Honda products.I don't leave home with out one. With a EU2000
you could run everything but the microwave or AC.
John Heckman
central Pa
1973 FC
>
> Dorn, I dont think it wacky to dump the genset. AC power usage is
> personal. The big genset supply the airconditioner operation
> efficiently but do a poor job on recharging batteries efficiently.
> For Ariconditioner usage, I would bet the effort to recharge
> batteries drained from an inverter run airconditioner is more than
> running the genset to realtime power the aircon.
>
> You may do well to drop in:
> A....two or 4 L-16's house bank
> B....The Xantrex inverter
> C....a honda 2,000 watt mini genset ( why they call it an
inverter??)
> D....and a bank of start batteries.
> It would be nice to have a small genset that runs on diesel but the
> honda can run on propane. if you have not a need to use much heat
> when you travel, the bus has storage for that fuel.
>
> I have an over sized battery bank (6 L-16's) which is great for 3
> days in the desert followed by 6 hours on the road to recharge.
but
> when it comes time to charge the large bank while camped, it takes
> three times as long as running just two L-16 up to full charge.
> There fore, there is not much benifit to a large bank unless you
use
> the Cat/Detroit chargers to rebank the juice as you drive to
another
> stop.
>
> I like to schedule battery bank recharge for periods where I have a
> high demand of AC usage like heating water and microwave cooking.
> when the genset spinns I want to maximize benifit from the fuel it
> consumes. I want the two inverter/chargers to have a backup
inverter
> and major amp recharge when I run the genset. The problem with
> the 'Big BlueBird genset recharge exersize' is ;as the house
battery
> bank gets closer to full, the draw on the chargers goes way down
but
> the genset spinns effort that is lost fuel$$$$$. If I can justify
> other uses for a Honda 2,000 watter, I would like to get one to run
> on propane as my onboard propane supply is large and under utilized
> (heater is coverted to diesel Wabasto). I would then not need to
> cary gasoline.
>
> Several other question about having two independent inverters
> supplying power:
>
> Would the two 110 AC outputs would be equivalent to two legs of
> houshold current? combined to make 240?
>
> DO the controllers shake hands??
>
> GregoryO'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCa
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Dorn Hetzel"
> wrote:
> >
> > In my 77FC35 the batteries are at the far left front corner, no
> space for
> > the inverter in their compartment anyway.
> >
> > The current battery charger (not an inverter) is about midway
back
> on the
> > left side, same compartment as sewage host storage, probably ten
> feet from
> > the batteries, doesn't really seem like an optimum location for
the
> > Xantrex.
> >
> > Would I be crazy to put it inside the coach? There's a storage
> compartment
> > right behind the drivers seat that's probably big enough, and
> within 2 feet
> > of the batteries.
> >
> > Another question. The Xantrex hookup diagrams seem to show the
> batteries
> > directly connected to the 3012, and all coach loads hung behind
> it. Since I
> > have combined coach and starting batteries in my 77, I don't
think
> I should
> > be running starting current through the 3012?
> >
> > I was considering pulling the generator, which we never ever use,
> and
> > filling that compartment with "house" batteries and a more
> weatherproof box
> > for the inverter... Too whacky?
> >
> > Dorn Hetzel
> > 77FC35
> > Hogansville, GA
> >
>

RV 3012 M - scoggins_jim - 05-31-2008 01:43

Goggle cruise air for a good description how the system works and
dealers--about like a house unit--uses R22

I stopped by AAP in Milford, VA to have my mid cruise air fixed. It
was showing a low pressure reading on the SMX. Had bitched it before
at a dealer. Evidently, they just topped off the R22 and left it at
that. The tech at AAP --almost 40 years working on them--found the
leak and fixed it.

As an aside, the tech mentioned that if folks charge these things who
are used to fooling with house heat pumps: There is a tendency for
them to overcharge our cruise airs in the bus.

Professional, quick and fairly priced. Located 10 miles east off Exit
104, VA I-95.

They have a hookup so one could stop in the night before.

Good folks.

Regards,
Jim Scoggins

RV 3012 M - Terry Neal - 05-31-2008 04:35


Nope but I plan to. Any residential AC service tech can work on them.
For some reason over the winter, I now have 2 that won't start up. No
fan or compressor operation. May be a loss of power to the control
panels/thermostats. Will run that down in the next week or so. At
least the rear unit for the bedroom cools like a meat locker. The
center unit was not cooling real well last summer so I bet I have a
loss of refrigerant in that one. Again, anyone can service these units
that has the gauges & refrigerant. They are a little touchy about
the pressures though as I understand. I know my filters are clean too
so it's not that.



Terry

Terry Neal

Bozeman, MT

82PT40 6V92TA

74FC34 6V53T











"erniecarpet@aol.com" wrote:












Terry, have you had any service tech look at your Cruise Airs?

My front one works, ok. The mid one needs help. The rear, I gave the

compressor to Ralph a few years back when I installed a roof air.




Ernie Ekberg



83PT40



Livingston, Montana




wishing that I at least could open the windows instead of

running the HEAT!!



















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RV 3012 M - Troy Tikalsky -  05-31-2008 05:58







Kurt,I'm looking for an electric grill, what do you want for it?




Troy Tikalsky


Waconia, MN






----- Original Message ----- 


From: "bumpersbird@yahoo.com" 


To: "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com" 


Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:32 AM


Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: RV 3012 M











Terry,



Here is the responce from Xantrex Customer Serive.



I did buy 2 of these units. They are new in the box and Sun Electric 

is an aurthorized dealer so the warrantie should be good.



I spoke with several tech guys and of course got several diffrent 

answers. About all aspects of these units.



I was most impressed with a guy from Buddy Gregg Motorhomes in 

Knoxville TN. Wayne Clapp a veteran BB Tech. His first question was 

did I plan on keeping the coach? Well of course. Then you must get 

these inverters out of the engine compartment and into one of the 

bays. So were are going the reinvent the wheel. Not really a problem 

the old compartment is really not large enough for the new inveters. 



With the inverter box empty I think I'll throw in a couple more 

Lifeline gell cells. That will make 8 house batts. Wayne also told me 

he can with the addition of a few relays make the AC run on Batts. 

With the additional 2 Lifeline's and the 2 new invetrers running off 

of 8 Batts. in 2, four Batt. banks I should be able to run 2 AC'S. 

The 300 amp alternator should be able to tow the line. I would be 

nice to run the roof air with out the generator. Any help in fuel 

economy is welcomed.



Any body want to buy a electric grill for their coach? Mine is coming 

out, slide and electric components included. 



I also bought 2 RC7/GS controlers off of e-bay. The were the best 

deal for the $'s.



Kurt Horvath

95 PT-42 WLWB



[ref:00D3Wjr.500350dxJ:ref] 



Dear kurt daniel horvath, 



"Can the RC/GS Remote Panel be use in place of the RC7."



No , this will not work properly. You are better off trying to locate 

an RC7 by seaching the internet and the many dealers who may have a 

NOS unit.



"Is the 24 month warrantie good on these new in the box units?"



If the unit is new in the box and purchased from proper dealer who 

purchased it from a Xantrex Distributor than we shall honor the 

warranty.



Xantrex Technical Support 

Customer Service Operations 

Xantrex Technology Inc. 

Email: "customerservice%40xantrex.com" 

Website: http://www.xantrex.com 

t: (360) 925-5097 / (800) 670-0707 

f: (360) 435-2636 



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--------------- Original Message --------------- 

From: kurt daniel horvath ["kguns%40hughes.net"] 

To: "customerservice%40xantrex.com" 

Subject: Fw: Case Number (00102708) [ ref:00D3Wjr.500350dxJ:ref ] 



Is the 24 month warrantie good on these new in the box units?



----Original Message----

From: "kguns%40hughes.net"

Date: 05/21/2008 3:27 PM

To: <"customerservice%40xantrex.com">

Subj: RE: Case Number (00102708) [ ref:00D3Wjr.500350dxJ:ref ]



Dear Mr.Nick Klien.



Can the RC/GS Remote Panel be use in place of the RC7.

If so, are there any peculiarities involed or is it just a simple 

choice of which control is available.

Yes price is a consideration here the old unites are new and are an 

exceptional deal at this time.



Thank You for your time,

Kurt Horvath



--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", Terry Neal  wrote:

>

> Hi Kurt,

> 

> Did you receive a response from Xantrex about the RC/GS remote to 

> control this RV 3012 M? I am thinking about ordering one too & 

replace 

> all of the old components such as the Redline unit in my PT. Can't 

find 

> any info about the two working together.

> Terry

> 

> bumpersbird wrote:

> 

> > Here is my responce from Xantrex to the RV3012M question.

> >

> > I am awaiting a second e-mail to confirm if the new control panel

> > the RC/GS will funtion as well as the older RC7.

> >

> > According to my local tech guy it will. You should be able to set

> > the inverter/charger to your particular application.

> >

> > Kurt Horvath

> > 95 PT-42

> >

> > [ref:00D3Wjr.500350dxJ:ref]

> >

> > Dear Kurt Horvath,

> >

> > They are very similar units. Below is an explanation of the 

RV3012M

> > model and then the RV 3012 GS :

> >

> > The RV3012M, which is 3000 watts respectively. These units were 

only

> > used for Monaco coaches, and the M designation referred to a 

series

> > of default programming items requested by Monaco. (See the section

> > on “RC7 & RC7GS Setup Menus”.)

> >

> > Two knockouts on the inverter were left open at the factory.

> > Otherwise they were physically indistinguishable from the regular

> > version, and had no other unique features. Warranty is the same.

> >

> > The "software" defaults which may be different from standard 

models

> > were:

> > SEARCH SENSE – DEFEAT

> > BAT CAPACITY – AUTO

> > BAT TYPE – LIQUID LEAD ACID

> > CHARGE RATE – 80%

> >

> > The RV 3012 GS is the newer version that replaced the RV series.

> > This series looks almost the same as the original RV and largely 

has

> > the same specs and functions. Its main visual distinction is that

> > it only has two com ports, not three. There were a few 

enhancements

> > made with the Auto Gen Start feature and programming.

> >

> > Both models were designed for RV use.

> >

> > "RV3012 M be reprogramed to standard specs? If so what would the

> > cost be?"

> >

> > You could program it yourself if you have a RC7, but if you do not

> > have an RC7 then you might be able to locate one by doing 

a "google"

> > search of the dealers online otherwise they are no longer 

available

> > as they have been obsolete for awhile now.

> >

> > It would be good to update the system rather than repair the 

freedom

> > if they are really 15 years old.

> >

> > I suggest the newer RV 3012 GS model rather than the "M" model.

> >

> > But if it is a big difference in cost the "M" model will be fine 

if

> > an RC7 comes with it.

> >

> > For all correspondence regarding this issue, please make sure to

> > include the case number (00102708) in the subject line of the 

email.

> >

> > Technical Support

> > Customer Service Operations

> > Xantrex Technology Inc.

> > Website: http://www.xantrex.com

> >

> > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any

> > attachments, is for the sole use of any recipient(s) and may 

contain

> > confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review,

> > use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the

> > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and

> > destroy all copies of the original message.

> >

> > -----------------------------------------

> >

> > Case number: 00102708

> > Case Subject: Xantrex RV 3012 M Inverter / Charger

> > Description: Could you please explain the diffrence between the

> > model RV 3012 M and the new RV 3012 GS. Is it just an older model 

or

> > are there significant diffrences between the two units? RV3012 M 

be

> > reprogramed to standard specs? If so what would the cost be?Can 

the

> > model

> > I have the old Freedom Combi aqua blue colored units in my coach.

> > They are 15 years old. would it be better to replace these unites

> > with the RV 3012 M or should I just have them refurbished. I am in

> > the process of refubishing all the systems so now is a good time 

to

> > do the inverter sysytem.

> > Thanks for your time,

> >

> > Kurt Horvath

> >

> >

> > --- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com" 

> > Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dorn Hetzel" 



> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > > From: Nick Klein >

> > > Date: Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:42 PM

> > > Subject: RE: Case Number (00102618) [ 

ref:00D3Wjr.500350ZIy:ref ]

> > > To: "dorn@" 

> > >

> > >

> > > [ref:00D3Wjr.500350ZIy:ref]

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear dorn,

> > >

> > > They are basically exactly the same units, but below is an

> > explanation:

> > >

> > > This line consisted of models RV2012M, RV2512M, and RV3012M, 

which

> > were

> > > 2000, 2500 and 3000 watts respectively. These units were only

> > used for

> > > Monaco coaches, and the M designation referred to a series of

> > default

> > > programming items requested by Monaco. (See the section on "RC7 

&

> > RC7GS

> > > Setup Menus".)

> > >

> > > Two knockouts on the inverter were left open at the factory.

> > Otherwise they

> > > were physically indistinguishable from the regular version, and

> > had no other

> > > unique features. Warranty is the same.

> > >

> > > The "software" defaults which may be different from standard

> > models were:

> > > SEARCH SENSE - DEFEAT

> > > BAT CAPACITY - AUTO

> > > BAT TYPE - LIQUID LEAD ACID

> > > CHARGE RATE - 80%

> > >

> > > Yes, both models were designed for RV use.

> > >

> > >

> > > For all correspondence regarding this issue, please make sure to

> > include the

> > > case number (00102618) in the subject line of the email.

> > >

> > >

> > > Technical Support

> > > Customer Service Operations

> > > Xantrex Technology Inc.

> > > Website: http://www.xantrex.com

> > >

> > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any

> > attachments, is

> > > for the sole use of any recipient(s) and may contain 

confidential

> > and

> > > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, 

disclosure or

> > > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended 

recipient,

> > please

> > > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the

> > original

> > > message.

> > >

> > > -----------------------------------------

> > >

> > > Case number: 00102618

> > > Case Subject: how is rv3012M different from other rv3012

> > > Description: Can you explain the differences between RV3012M and

> > other

> > > RV3012 models. What does M series software mean? Are these

> > models still

> > > suitable for an RV application?

> > >

> >

> >

>