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Pricey repairs - Jim Owens - 10-22-2005 17:05 Ron, I think Jack has hydraulic brakes on his '71 FC. $3500 sounds steep to me anyway! We paid about $250 to have the parking brake valve replaced - the mechanic did have to trace down the lines, drain the tanks and adjust the rear brakes also - sad scenario where a water line had been plumbed into the back of the park brake valve (his assistant traced that line and connected it to a spigot under the batteries)... We haven't found anyone willing/able to service the air dryer - they want to install a new unit and say it will take hours just to plumb the new connections...(copper vs. plastic, etc.) Parts can be bad enough but it's the labor charges that really cost - is there such a thing as a flat rate book for Blue Birds? (duh) Some shops seem to charge a substantial markup on sublet work justifying it by saying they lose about three percent to the credit card companies!? It pays to scrutinize the repair invoice and ask about any questionable charges. I envy those who have the mechanical expertise, tools and equipment to tackle major chassis repairs. My wonderful wife is willing and able to tackle many repairs - she has crawled under the coach/into the doghouse many times - heater valves, hydraulic lines, fuel filters, accessory belts, etc. She's also gutted the roadside twin bed to access the water tank/pump and lines. She was single for many years and learned to do a lot to keep from being taken advantage of by unscrupulous mechanics and repairmen. Jim and Pam Owens 77 FC33SB (Gas) Lake of the Ozarks, MO In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002" > > Unfortunately on that $3500 brake repair. You were ripped off. > Probably nothing buy an air leak and the emergency brakes set. You > should have gotten an entire brake job. > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith" > > > > > ALL: Though I didn't plan it this way, I seem to be getting an > idea > > on the price of reparing a "Vintage" Coach. > > The first 'Mistake' was that we got it at a great price.. Then we > > took it to San Diego for a weekend. Brakes locked up and wouldnt > > move, so we took it to Holland Motors, feeling they knew something > > about Birds. They simply farmed the job out and hit us with a > $3500+ > > bill. (Felt we were ripped off). Pricey repairs - Tom Warner - 10-22-2005 18:08 Jim do you have air brakes on yours? And if so do you have an AD-2 air dryer? Tom Warner 1982 FC35 Vernon Center,NY At 01:05 AM 10/23/2005, you wrote: >Ron, > >I think Jack has hydraulic brakes on his '71 FC. $3500 sounds steep >to me anyway! We paid about $250 to have the parking brake valve >replaced - the mechanic did have to trace down the lines, drain the >tanks and adjust the rear brakes also - sad scenario where a water >line had been plumbed into the back of the park brake valve (his >assistant traced that line and connected it to a spigot under the >batteries)... We haven't found anyone willing/able to service the >air dryer - they want to install a new unit and say it will take >hours just to plumb the new connections...(copper vs. plastic, etc.) > >Parts can be bad enough but it's the labor charges that really cost - >is there such a thing as a flat rate book for Blue Birds? (duh) Some >shops seem to charge a substantial markup on sublet work justifying >it by saying they lose about three percent to the credit card >companies!? It pays to scrutinize the repair invoice and ask about >any questionable charges. > >I envy those who have the mechanical expertise, tools and equipment >to tackle major chassis repairs. My wonderful wife is willing and >able to tackle many repairs - she has crawled under the coach/into >the doghouse many times - heater valves, hydraulic lines, fuel >filters, accessory belts, etc. She's also gutted the roadside twin >bed to access the water tank/pump and lines. She was single for many >years and learned to do a lot to keep from being taken advantage of >by unscrupulous mechanics and repairmen. > >Jim and Pam Owens >77 FC33SB (Gas) >Lake of the Ozarks, MO > >In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "ronmarabito2002" > > > > > Unfortunately on that $3500 brake repair. You were ripped off. > > Probably nothing buy an air leak and the emergency brakes set. You > > should have gotten an entire brake job. > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & Donna Smith" > > > > > > > > ALL: Though I didn't plan it this way, I seem to be getting an > > idea > > > on the price of reparing a "Vintage" Coach. > > > The first 'Mistake' was that we got it at a great price.. Then we > > > took it to San Diego for a weekend. Brakes locked up and wouldnt > > > move, so we took it to Holland Motors, feeling they knew something > > > about Birds. They simply farmed the job out and hit us with a > > $3500+ > > > bill. (Felt we were ripped off). > > > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum>WanderlodgeForum" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > odgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- Pricey repairs - John Suter - 10-22-2005 22:46 Jim, Ron and the gang, I hope y'all aren't forgetting that the formalized alliance with Prevost Chassis (thru common parent, Volvo Truck) opens their repair locations to Birds. My experience with their work is they provide a fixed maximum quotation to avoid financial "surprises." John Suter --- Jim Owens > Ron, > > I think Jack has hydraulic brakes on his '71 FC. > $3500 sounds steep > to me anyway! We paid about $250 to have the parking > brake valve > replaced - the mechanic did have to trace down the > lines, drain the > tanks and adjust the rear brakes also - sad scenario > where a water > line had been plumbed into the back of the park > brake valve (his > assistant traced that line and connected it to a > spigot under the > batteries)... We haven't found anyone willing/able > to service the > air dryer - they want to install a new unit and say > it will take > hours just to plumb the new connections...(copper > vs. plastic, etc.) > > Parts can be bad enough but it's the labor charges > that really cost - > is there such a thing as a flat rate book for Blue > Birds? (duh) Some > shops seem to charge a substantial markup on sublet > work justifying > it by saying they lose about three percent to the > credit card > companies!? It pays to scrutinize the repair invoice > and ask about > any questionable charges. > > I envy those who have the mechanical expertise, > tools and equipment > to tackle major chassis repairs. My wonderful wife > is willing and > able to tackle many repairs - she has crawled under > the coach/into > the doghouse many times - heater valves, hydraulic > lines, fuel > filters, accessory belts, etc. She's also gutted the > roadside twin > bed to access the water tank/pump and lines. She was > single for many > years and learned to do a lot to keep from being > taken advantage of > by unscrupulous mechanics and repairmen. > > Jim and Pam Owens > 77 FC33SB (Gas) > Lake of the Ozarks, MO > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > "ronmarabito2002" > > > > > Unfortunately on that $3500 brake repair. You > were ripped off. > > Probably nothing buy an air leak and the emergency > brakes set. You > > should have gotten an entire brake job. > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & > Donna Smith" > > > > > > > > ALL: Though I didn't plan it this way, I seem > to be getting an > > idea > > > on the price of reparing a "Vintage" Coach. > > > The first 'Mistake' was that we got it at a > great price.. Then we > > > took it to San Diego for a weekend. Brakes > locked up and wouldnt > > > move, so we took it to Holland Motors, feeling > they knew something > > > about Birds. They simply farmed the job out and > hit us with a > > $3500+ > > > bill. (Felt we were ripped off). > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Pricey repairs - Scott - 10-23-2005 01:18 John, once again a great point! I forgot about that as well. Do you have any idea where to find a list of the "certified" repair facility?? See you in Perry Scott B 86FC35 SC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, John Suter wrote: > > Jim, Ron and the gang, > > I hope y'all aren't forgetting that the formalized > alliance with Prevost Chassis (thru common parent, > Volvo Truck) opens their repair locations to Birds. > My experience with their work is they provide a > fixed maximum quotation to avoid financial > "surprises." > > John Suter > > > --- Jim Owens > > > Ron, > > > > I think Jack has hydraulic brakes on his '71 FC. > > $3500 sounds steep > > to me anyway! We paid about $250 to have the parking > > brake valve > > replaced - the mechanic did have to trace down the > > lines, drain the > > tanks and adjust the rear brakes also - sad scenario > > where a water > > line had been plumbed into the back of the park > > brake valve (his > > assistant traced that line and connected it to a > > spigot under the > > batteries)... We haven't found anyone willing/able > > to service the > > air dryer - they want to install a new unit and say > > it will take > > hours just to plumb the new connections...(copper > > vs. plastic, etc.) > > > > Parts can be bad enough but it's the labor charges > > that really cost - > > is there such a thing as a flat rate book for Blue > > Birds? (duh) Some > > shops seem to charge a substantial markup on sublet > > work justifying > > it by saying they lose about three percent to the > > credit card > > companies!? It pays to scrutinize the repair invoice > > and ask about > > any questionable charges. > > > > I envy those who have the mechanical expertise, > > tools and equipment > > to tackle major chassis repairs. My wonderful wife > > is willing and > > able to tackle many repairs - she has crawled under > > the coach/into > > the doghouse many times - heater valves, hydraulic > > lines, fuel > > filters, accessory belts, etc. She's also gutted the > > roadside twin > > bed to access the water tank/pump and lines. She was > > single for many > > years and learned to do a lot to keep from being > > taken advantage of > > by unscrupulous mechanics and repairmen. > > > > Jim and Pam Owens > > 77 FC33SB (Gas) > > Lake of the Ozarks, MO > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > "ronmarabito2002" > > > > > > > > Unfortunately on that $3500 brake repair. You > > were ripped off. > > > Probably nothing buy an air leak and the emergency > > brakes set. You > > > should have gotten an entire brake job. > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & > > Donna Smith" > > > > > > > > > > > ALL: Though I didn't plan it this way, I seem > > to be getting an > > > idea > > > > on the price of reparing a "Vintage" Coach. > > > > The first 'Mistake' was that we got it at a > > great price.. Then we > > > > took it to San Diego for a weekend. Brakes > > locked up and wouldnt > > > > move, so we took it to Holland Motors, feeling > > they knew something > > > > about Birds. They simply farmed the job out and > > hit us with a > > > $3500+ > > > > bill. (Felt we were ripped off). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > Pricey repairs - mbulriss - 10-23-2005 01:58 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" > >Do you have any idea where to find a list of the "certified" repair > facility?? There's list of all "offical" service sites on the BB website at http://www.blue-bird.com/distributors.php?distype=coach As regards the Volvo/Prevost connection, they only list three Prevost sites for chassis work: Chassis Service Only Prevost Car Inc., FL 6391 Business Park Blvd N North Jacksonville, FL 32256 (800) 874-7740 or (904) 886-4555 FAX (904) 886-0092 Service - Doug Stolfo Prevost Car Inc., TN 529 Hickory Hill Boulevard Whites Creek, TN 37189 (877) 299-8881 or (615) 299-8881 FAX (615) 299-8865 Service - Wayne Kackley Prevost Car Inc., TX 15200 Frye Road Fort Worth, TX 76155-2702 (866) 773-8678 or (817) 685-0250 FAX (817) 685-0460 Service - Don Arlett Mike Bulriss 83 PT40 "Stagecoach" - For Sale 91 PT40 "Texas Minivan" San antonio, TX --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" > > John, once again a great point! I forgot about that as well. Do you > have any idea where to find a list of the "certified" repair > facility?? > See you in Perry > Scott B > 86FC35 > SC > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, John Suter > wrote: > > > > Jim, Ron and the gang, > > > > I hope y'all aren't forgetting that the formalized > > alliance with Prevost Chassis (thru common parent, > > Volvo Truck) opens their repair locations to Birds. > > My experience with their work is they provide a > > fixed maximum quotation to avoid financial > > "surprises." > > > > John Suter > > > > > > --- Jim Owens > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > I think Jack has hydraulic brakes on his '71 FC. > > > $3500 sounds steep > > > to me anyway! We paid about $250 to have the parking > > > brake valve > > > replaced - the mechanic did have to trace down the > > > lines, drain the > > > tanks and adjust the rear brakes also - sad scenario > > > where a water > > > line had been plumbed into the back of the park > > > brake valve (his > > > assistant traced that line and connected it to a > > > spigot under the > > > batteries)... We haven't found anyone willing/able > > > to service the > > > air dryer - they want to install a new unit and say > > > it will take > > > hours just to plumb the new connections...(copper > > > vs. plastic, etc.) > > > > > > Parts can be bad enough but it's the labor charges > > > that really cost - > > > is there such a thing as a flat rate book for Blue > > > Birds? (duh) Some > > > shops seem to charge a substantial markup on sublet > > > work justifying > > > it by saying they lose about three percent to the > > > credit card > > > companies!? It pays to scrutinize the repair invoice > > > and ask about > > > any questionable charges. > > > > > > I envy those who have the mechanical expertise, > > > tools and equipment > > > to tackle major chassis repairs. My wonderful wife > > > is willing and > > > able to tackle many repairs - she has crawled under > > > the coach/into > > > the doghouse many times - heater valves, hydraulic > > > lines, fuel > > > filters, accessory belts, etc. She's also gutted the > > > roadside twin > > > bed to access the water tank/pump and lines. She was > > > single for many > > > years and learned to do a lot to keep from being > > > taken advantage of > > > by unscrupulous mechanics and repairmen. > > > > > > Jim and Pam Owens > > > 77 FC33SB (Gas) > > > Lake of the Ozarks, MO > > > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > > "ronmarabito2002" > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately on that $3500 brake repair. You > > > were ripped off. > > > > Probably nothing buy an air leak and the emergency > > > brakes set. You > > > > should have gotten an entire brake job. > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Jack & > > > Donna Smith" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALL: Though I didn't plan it this way, I seem > > > to be getting an > > > > idea > > > > > on the price of reparing a "Vintage" Coach. > > > > > The first 'Mistake' was that we got it at a > > > great price.. Then we > > > > > took it to San Diego for a weekend. Brakes > > > locked up and wouldnt > > > > > move, so we took it to Holland Motors, feeling > > > they knew something > > > > > about Birds. They simply farmed the job out and > > > hit us with a > > > > $3500+ > > > > > bill. (Felt we were ripped off). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > Pricey repairs - John Suter - 10-23-2005 04:13 Gee, either Bluebird's list is not complete/current or I've been having the bulk of my "non-chassis" work done for the last couple of years by an "unofficial" location at 6391 Business Park Blvd in Jacksonville, FL, (but not in North Jacksonville). While I've not personally checked them out, I've been told by BB owners, there are other locations in Florida and other states, that they have used. I'll try to get specifics... John Suter 2000LXi > There's list of all "offical" service sites on the > BB website at > http://www.blue-bird.com/distributors.php?distype=coach > > As regards the Volvo/Prevost connection, they only > list three Prevost > sites for chassis work: > Chassis Service Only > > Prevost Car Inc., FL > 6391 Business Park Blvd N > North Jacksonville, FL 32256 > (800) 874-7740 or > (904) 886-4555 > FAX (904) 886-0092 > Service - Doug Stolfo > > Prevost Car Inc., TN > 529 Hickory Hill Boulevard > Whites Creek, TN 37189 > (877) 299-8881 or > (615) 299-8881 > FAX (615) 299-8865 > Service - Wayne Kackley > > Prevost Car Inc., TX > 15200 Frye Road > Fort Worth, TX 76155-2702 > (866) 773-8678 or > (817) 685-0250 > FAX (817) 685-0460 > Service - Don Arlett > > > Mike Bulriss > 83 PT40 "Stagecoach" - For Sale > 91 PT40 "Texas Minivan" > San antonio, TX > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" > > > > > John, once again a great point! I forgot about > that as well. Do you > > have any idea where to find a list of the > "certified" repair > > facility?? > > See you in Perry > > Scott B > > 86FC35 > > SC > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, John > Suter > > wrote: > > > > > > Jim, Ron and the gang, > > > > > > I hope y'all aren't forgetting that the > formalized > > > alliance with Prevost Chassis (thru common > parent, > > > Volvo Truck) opens their repair locations to > Birds. > > > My experience with their work is they provide > a > > > fixed maximum quotation to avoid financial > > > "surprises." > > > > > > John Suter > > > > > > > > > --- Jim Owens > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > > > I think Jack has hydraulic brakes on his '71 > FC. > > > > $3500 sounds steep > > > > to me anyway! We paid about $250 to have the > parking > > > > brake valve > > > > replaced - the mechanic did have to trace down > the > > > > lines, drain the > > > > tanks and adjust the rear brakes also - sad > scenario > > > > where a water > > > > line had been plumbed into the back of the > park > > > > brake valve (his > > > > assistant traced that line and connected it to > a > > > > spigot under the > > > > batteries)... We haven't found anyone > willing/able > > > > to service the > > > > air dryer - they want to install a new unit > and say > > > > it will take > > > > hours just to plumb the new > connections...(copper > > > > vs. plastic, etc.) > > > > > > > > Parts can be bad enough but it's the labor > charges > > > > that really cost - > > > > is there such a thing as a flat rate book for > Blue > > > > Birds? (duh) Some > > > > shops seem to charge a substantial markup on > sublet > > > > work justifying > > > > it by saying they lose about three percent to > the > > > > credit card > > > > companies!? It pays to scrutinize the repair > invoice > > > > and ask about > > > > any questionable charges. > > > > > > > > I envy those who have the mechanical > expertise, > > > > tools and equipment > > > > to tackle major chassis repairs. My wonderful > wife > > > > is willing and > > > > able to tackle many repairs - she has crawled > under > > > > the coach/into > > > > the doghouse many times - heater valves, > hydraulic > > > > lines, fuel > > > > filters, accessory belts, etc. She's also > gutted the > > > > roadside twin > > > > bed to access the water tank/pump and lines. > She was > > > > single for many > > > > years and learned to do a lot to keep from > being > > > > taken advantage of > > > > by unscrupulous mechanics and repairmen. > > > > > > > > Jim and Pam Owens > > > > 77 FC33SB (Gas) > > > > Lake of the Ozarks, MO > > > > > > > > In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > > > "ronmarabito2002" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately on that $3500 brake repair. > You > > > > were ripped off. > > > > > Probably nothing buy an air leak and the > emergency > > > > brakes set. You > > > > > should have gotten an entire brake job. > > > > > > > > > > R.E. (Ron) Marabito, Dallas, TX 92WB40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > "Jack & > > > > Donna Smith" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALL: Though I didn't plan it this way, I > seem > > > > to be getting an > > > > > idea > > > > > > on the price of reparing a "Vintage" > Coach. > > > > > > The first 'Mistake' was that we got it at > a > > > > great price.. Then we > > > > > > took it to San Diego for a weekend. > Brakes > > > > locked up and wouldnt > > > > > > move, so we took it to Holland Motors, > feeling > > > > they knew something > > > > > > about Birds. They simply farmed the job > out and > > > > hit us with a > > > > > $3500+ > > > > > > bill. (Felt we were ripped off). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites > in one click. > > > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Pricey repairs - erniecarpet@... - 10-23-2005 08:19 We have had many folks bring their Bluebird to Prevost Car in Ft Worth. They have been treated really well. Ernie-83pt40 in montana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Pricey repairs - Jim Owens - 10-23-2005 17:25 Tom, Yes, we have air brakes and to the best of my knowledge an AD-2 dryer. I have visited the Bendix website and have downloaded the maintenance and repair info. John, Mike, I had the Prevost Car info from the BB website, Fort Worth and Jacksonville are a bit far to travel for brake service. I'll check the location in Tennesee. I'm thinking of calling Central States Bus Sales in suburban St. Louis, they are a Dealer for Blue Bird school buses and specialty units - we've bought parts there before. Jim & Pam Owens 77 FC33SB (Gas) Lake of the Ozarks, MO Pricey repairs - Tom Warner - 10-23-2005 23:45 John then you can easily replace the cartridge in your AD-2 with a rebuilt one. You can order it from NAPA . I have all of the part numbers in the coach if you need them. tom 1982 FC35 Vernon Center,NY At 01:25 AM 10/24/2005, you wrote: >Tom, > >Yes, we have air brakes and to the best of my knowledge an AD-2 dryer. >I have visited the Bendix website and have downloaded the maintenance >and repair info. > >John, Mike, > >I had the Prevost Car info from the BB website, Fort Worth and >Jacksonville are a bit far to travel for brake service. I'll check the >location in Tennesee. I'm thinking of calling Central States Bus Sales >in suburban St. Louis, they are a Dealer for Blue Bird school buses >and specialty units - we've bought parts there before. > >Jim & Pam Owens >77 FC33SB (Gas) >Lake of the Ozarks, MO > > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WanderlodgeForum>WanderlodgeForum" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > odgeForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- Pricey repairs - Jim Owens - 10-24-2005 17:23 Tom, Thanks for the reply and encouragement. I'll be looking into the air dryer this weekend. Two of the three local NAPA stores have closed, hopefullly the third is still around... Jim & Pam Owens 77 FC33SB (Gas) Lake of the Ozarks, MO --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner wrote: > > John then you can easily replace the cartridge in your AD-2 with a > rebuilt one. You can order it from NAPA . I have all of the part > numbers in the coach if you need them. > > tom > 1982 FC35 > Vernon Center,NY > > At 01:25 AM 10/24/2005, you wrote: > >Tom, > > > >Yes, we have air brakes and to the best of my knowledge an AD-2 dryer. > >I have visited the Bendix website and have downloaded the maintenance > >and repair info. > > > >John, Mike, > > > >I had the Prevost Car info from the BB website, Fort Worth and > >Jacksonville are a bit far to travel for brake service. I'll check the > >location in Tennesee. I'm thinking of calling Central States Bus Sales > >in suburban St. Louis, they are a Dealer for Blue Bird school buses > >and specialty units - we've bought parts there before. > > > >Jim & Pam Owens > >77 FC33SB (Gas) > >Lake of the Ozarks, MO > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > >YAHOO! 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