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Speakking of Steering Boxes . . . - Tom McCarthy - 08-26-2008 16:19
Teal Bird comes through with the best statement I have heard in a
long time. Way to go Rob.
Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
95 PT42
Poway CA
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
>
> First off I believe an OEM steering system should work properly. In
other
> words, first make sure you steering system is in good shape and
properly
> adjusted. A SUPPLEMENTAL steering assist system should only be
considered as
> a last resort. They are a bandaide approach. Having said that, if
your
> system is in good shape and properly adjust and yet you feel it is
deficient
> then your only recourse is one of these aftermarket add-ons. The
hype and BS
> about blow-out protection should be ignored. See the Michelin video
on that.
> Finally consider this....some of these aftermarket systems put
added strain
> (springs, hydraulics) on your steering system. Added strain cannot
be good.
> (I removed previous owner's bent, leaking Blue Ox steer
somethingorother)
>
>
>
> 2008/8/26 Pete Masterson
>
> > When I had my bent, broken, and jammed Blue Ox replaced, it
looked
> > like a toy compared to the SuperSteer. I wouldn't get a Blue Ox
True
> > Center. Talk to Henderson's Line-up in Grants Pass OR. They're the
> > manufacturer of the SuperSteer. They do excellent work (except for
> > rewelding broken shock absorber mounts, but that's another story).
> >
> > Pete Masterson
> > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > aeonix1@...
> > On the road at Idaho Springs, CO
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:
> >
> > > Leroy,
> > >
> > > I like the looks of the Blue Ox.
> > > Does the push button activation for centering work well?
> > > Have you used any other steering controls? If so how do they
stack up
> > > against the Blue Ox?
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> 94 WLWB
>
Speakking of Steering Boxes . . . - Gregory OConnor - 08-27-2008 00:03
I dont know that it is, maybe he was speaking for the Gorgan again.
most upgrades on suspension are to update the steering and ride to
that of the ever advancing science of steering and suspension. I
just agree that the 'one size fits all' or even 'one size fits many'
add-on products can not consider all the newances that differ with
each coach.--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
>
> Teal Bird comes through with the best statement I have heard in a
> long time. Way to go Rob.
>
> Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
> 95 PT42
> Poway CA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
>
> >
> > First off I believe an OEM steering system should work properly.
In
> other
> > words, first make sure you steering system is in good shape and
> properly
> > adjusted. A SUPPLEMENTAL steering assist system should only be
> considered as
> > a last resort. They are a bandaide approach. Having said that,
if
> your
> > system is in good shape and properly adjust and yet you feel it
is
> deficient
> > then your only recourse is one of these aftermarket add-ons. The
> hype and BS
> > about blow-out protection should be ignored. See the Michelin
video
> on that.
> > Finally consider this....some of these aftermarket systems put
> added strain
> > (springs, hydraulics) on your steering system. Added strain
cannot
> be good.
> > (I removed previous owner's bent, leaking Blue Ox steer
> somethingorother)
> >
> >
> >
> > 2008/8/26 Pete Masterson
> >
> > > When I had my bent, broken, and jammed Blue Ox replaced, it
> looked
> > > like a toy compared to the SuperSteer. I wouldn't get a Blue
Ox
> True
> > > Center. Talk to Henderson's Line-up in Grants Pass OR. They're
the
> > > manufacturer of the SuperSteer. They do excellent work (except
for
> > > rewelding broken shock absorber mounts, but that's another
story).
> > >
> > > Pete Masterson
> > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > aeonix1@
> > > On the road at Idaho Springs, CO
> > >
> > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:
> > >
> > > > Leroy,
> > > >
> > > > I like the looks of the Blue Ox.
> > > > Does the push button activation for centering work well?
> > > > Have you used any other steering controls? If so how do they
> stack up
> > > > against the Blue Ox?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > 94 WLWB
> >
>
Speakking of Steering Boxes . . . - Kurt Horvath - 08-27-2008 00:18
The 95 coaches do use different oils according to engine type.
The 8V92 uses an in-line fitter in addition to the 3 reservoir filters
Parker Canister filter-(about 18" long in line street side), (
according to BB somewhere between the radiator and the tag axle).
Part #'s
Parker 925835
Donaldson P170073
BB 2122026
Reservoir filters All models, ( 8V92 & Series 60), use the same
reservoir filters.
The reservoir takes 3 filters.
Part #'s
Wix 57317
Nelson 83284D
Donaldson P550698
BB 2137065
The 8V92 uses 10W30, synthetic oils are ok to use.
The Series 60 uses HD32. Synthetics are OK to use. BB cross
referenced the recommended Dino. oil with CASTROL VS977 Synthetic. I
can't find it online. Waiting for return call from tech service.
After lots of surfing today I have found out that HD32 is a Texaco
product, Rando HD 32. As of July 2008 Chevron has the Texaco label
and will continue to mfg. The Rando line of fluids.
I also learned that any oil that is equivalent to ISO 32 should work
in the system. Some of these oils have a , AW or O&R rating. Anti -
Wear and Oxidation and Rust. Some have a combination of prefixes.
There are also biodegradable oils for Forestry and Marine
applications. I would recommend staying away from these because they
generally have a shorter service life. It your call. I will most
likely stay with the Rando HD 32 or it's synthetic version
I know all oils are not created equal. The mineral based oils run
anywhere from $30 to $60 for 5 gallons and the synthetics are $120
and up, some way up. The blends fall in the middle.
The capacity is 16 Quarts for the series 60 and 18 quarts for the
8V92, Jessie recommended buying 5 Gallons just to make sure you have
enough to refill the system.
In my opinion I would think capacity would be determined by how well
you can drain the system of old fluid. So I don't think these numbers
are written in stone in this senario.
To drain the system BB has a vacuum system that evacuates the
reservoir. They do not recommend disconnecting any of the hydraulic
lines in fear of creating a leak or breaking any connections,
especially the elbow under the reservoir tank, I can understand that,
the line and elbow are quite a bit heavier construction than the
tank, and BB has encountered breakage at that particular point
according to tech services.
Double oil and filter change
This technique involves an initial oil drain and filter change, The
system is then filled to the minimum level required and the fluid
circulated until operating temperature is reached and the fluid has
been turned over at least five times. The oil is drained and the
filters changed a second time. To maximize the effectiveness of this
technique, the system should be drained as thoroughly as possible and
the reservoir mechanically cleaned.
Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42 WLWB S-60
10AC
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
>
> I dont know that it is, maybe he was speaking for the Gorgan again.
> most upgrades on suspension are to update the steering and ride to
> that of the ever advancing science of steering and suspension. I
> just agree that the 'one size fits all' or even 'one size fits
many'
> add-on products can not consider all the newances that differ with
> each coach.--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom McCarthy"
>
> >
> > Teal Bird comes through with the best statement I have heard in a
> > long time. Way to go Rob.
> >
> > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
> > 95 PT42
> > Poway CA
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
> >
> > >
> > > First off I believe an OEM steering system should work
properly.
> In
> > other
> > > words, first make sure you steering system is in good shape and
> > properly
> > > adjusted. A SUPPLEMENTAL steering assist system should only be
> > considered as
> > > a last resort. They are a bandaide approach. Having said that,
> if
> > your
> > > system is in good shape and properly adjust and yet you feel it
> is
> > deficient
> > > then your only recourse is one of these aftermarket add-ons.
The
> > hype and BS
> > > about blow-out protection should be ignored. See the Michelin
> video
> > on that.
> > > Finally consider this....some of these aftermarket systems put
> > added strain
> > > (springs, hydraulics) on your steering system. Added strain
> cannot
> > be good.
> > > (I removed previous owner's bent, leaking Blue Ox steer
> > somethingorother)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/8/26 Pete Masterson
> > >
> > > > When I had my bent, broken, and jammed Blue Ox replaced, it
> > looked
> > > > like a toy compared to the SuperSteer. I wouldn't get a Blue
> Ox
> > True
> > > > Center. Talk to Henderson's Line-up in Grants Pass OR.
They're
> the
> > > > manufacturer of the SuperSteer. They do excellent work
(except
> for
> > > > rewelding broken shock absorber mounts, but that's another
> story).
> > > >
> > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > aeonix1@
> > > > On the road at Idaho Springs, CO
> > > >
> > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Leroy,
> > > > >
> > > > > I like the looks of the Blue Ox.
> > > > > Does the push button activation for centering work well?
> > > > > Have you used any other steering controls? If so how do
they
> > stack up
> > > > > against the Blue Ox?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > > 94 WLWB
> > >
> >
>
Speakking of Steering Boxes . . . - Kurt Horvath - 08-27-2008 07:17
Here's another cross refrence to the hydraulic filters.
Baldwin PT8487
I found these filters for $11.15 ea.for an order over 6 pcs., If you
plan on a Double Filter & Oil Change these filters are cheep enough
not to hurt the wallet. 1/3 the price from the guys I had ordered
them from, thankfully they had not shipped my order, so I didn't get
stuck with $30 a pc. filters. the web site for these filters is
pasted below.
http://www.adiesel.com/baldwinfilters/PT8487.html
I live in the boonies so I had to order the Chevron/Texaco HD32.
2-5 gallon buckets $106.86, 9 filters $112.15, 2 hours labor @
$102.00 per hr.@ Prevost in Nashville, if I'm lucky.
Not too harsh to clean out the hydraulic system and reload with fresh
oil & filters.
Kurt Horvath
95 PT-42 WLWB S-60
10AC
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Horvath"
>
> The 95 coaches do use different oils according to engine type.
>
> The 8V92 uses an in-line fitter in addition to the 3 reservoir
filters
>
> Parker Canister filter-(about 18" long in line street side), (
> according to BB somewhere between the radiator and the tag axle).
> Part #'s
> Parker 925835
> Donaldson P170073
> BB 2122026
>
> Reservoir filters All models, ( 8V92 & Series 60), use the same
> reservoir filters.
>
> The reservoir takes 3 filters.
>
> Part #'s
> Wix 57317
> Nelson 83284D
> Donaldson P550698
> BB 2137065
>
> The 8V92 uses 10W30, synthetic oils are ok to use.
>
> The Series 60 uses HD32. Synthetics are OK to use. BB cross
> referenced the recommended Dino. oil with CASTROL VS977 Synthetic.
I
> can't find it online. Waiting for return call from tech service.
>
> After lots of surfing today I have found out that HD32 is a Texaco
> product, Rando HD 32. As of July 2008 Chevron has the Texaco label
> and will continue to mfg. The Rando line of fluids.
>
> I also learned that any oil that is equivalent to ISO 32 should
work
> in the system. Some of these oils have a , AW or O&R rating. Anti -
> Wear and Oxidation and Rust. Some have a combination of prefixes.
> There are also biodegradable oils for Forestry and Marine
> applications. I would recommend staying away from these because
they
> generally have a shorter service life. It your call. I will most
> likely stay with the Rando HD 32 or it's synthetic version
>
> I know all oils are not created equal. The mineral based oils run
> anywhere from $30 to $60 for 5 gallons and the synthetics are $120
> and up, some way up. The blends fall in the middle.
>
> The capacity is 16 Quarts for the series 60 and 18 quarts for the
> 8V92, Jessie recommended buying 5 Gallons just to make sure you
have
> enough to refill the system.
>
> In my opinion I would think capacity would be determined by how
well
> you can drain the system of old fluid. So I don't think these
numbers
> are written in stone in this senario.
>
> To drain the system BB has a vacuum system that evacuates the
> reservoir. They do not recommend disconnecting any of the hydraulic
> lines in fear of creating a leak or breaking any connections,
> especially the elbow under the reservoir tank, I can understand
that,
> the line and elbow are quite a bit heavier construction than the
> tank, and BB has encountered breakage at that particular point
> according to tech services.
>
> Double oil and filter change
> This technique involves an initial oil drain and filter change, The
> system is then filled to the minimum level required and the fluid
> circulated until operating temperature is reached and the fluid has
> been turned over at least five times. The oil is drained and the
> filters changed a second time. To maximize the effectiveness of
this
> technique, the system should be drained as thoroughly as possible
and
> the reservoir mechanically cleaned.
>
>
> Kurt Horvath
> 95 PT-42 WLWB S-60
> 10AC
>
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
>
> >
> > I dont know that it is, maybe he was speaking for the Gorgan
again.
> > most upgrades on suspension are to update the steering and ride
to
> > that of the ever advancing science of steering and suspension. I
> > just agree that the 'one size fits all' or even 'one size fits
> many'
> > add-on products can not consider all the newances that differ
with
> > each coach.--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom
McCarthy"
> >
> > >
> > > Teal Bird comes through with the best statement I have heard in
a
> > > long time. Way to go Rob.
> > >
> > > Tommy 2 Shoes McCarthy
> > > 95 PT42
> > > Poway CA
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Robinson"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > First off I believe an OEM steering system should work
> properly.
> > In
> > > other
> > > > words, first make sure you steering system is in good shape
and
> > > properly
> > > > adjusted. A SUPPLEMENTAL steering assist system should only
be
> > > considered as
> > > > a last resort. They are a bandaide approach. Having said
that,
> > if
> > > your
> > > > system is in good shape and properly adjust and yet you feel
it
> > is
> > > deficient
> > > > then your only recourse is one of these aftermarket add-ons.
> The
> > > hype and BS
> > > > about blow-out protection should be ignored. See the Michelin
> > video
> > > on that.
> > > > Finally consider this....some of these aftermarket systems
put
> > > added strain
> > > > (springs, hydraulics) on your steering system. Added strain
> > cannot
> > > be good.
> > > > (I removed previous owner's bent, leaking Blue Ox steer
> > > somethingorother)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2008/8/26 Pete Masterson
> > > >
> > > > > When I had my bent, broken, and jammed Blue Ox replaced,
it
> > > looked
> > > > > like a toy compared to the SuperSteer. I wouldn't get a
Blue
> > Ox
> > > True
> > > > > Center. Talk to Henderson's Line-up in Grants Pass OR.
> They're
> > the
> > > > > manufacturer of the SuperSteer. They do excellent work
> (except
> > for
> > > > > rewelding broken shock absorber mounts, but that's another
> > story).
> > > > >
> > > > > Pete Masterson
> > > > > '95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
> > > > > aeonix1@
> > > > > On the road at Idaho Springs, CO
> > > > >
> > > > > On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Kurt Horvath wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Leroy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like the looks of the Blue Ox.
> > > > > > Does the push button activation for centering work well?
> > > > > > Have you used any other steering controls? If so how do
> they
> > > stack up
> > > > > > against the Blue Ox?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob, Sue & Merlin Robinson
> > > > 94 WLWB
> > > >
> > >
> >
>