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90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - williamcharrison - 11-18-2005 04:39
Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was cold.
This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took it
to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse than
before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run it
hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp up.
The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound like
symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to replace and
what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
Thanks,
Chuck Harrison
Akron, Ohio
90 WL SP36
90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - pattypape - 11-18-2005 06:01
First, I would change the thermostat.
I think you have the Cat 3208TA, 300 HP.
My 300 HP had only one thermostat some older 3208's have two.
Stop at the Cat parts dept and they can print out a picture
of this area. It is not too difficult to change. If you decide to do
the repair yourself, I or this forum can give further details.
Could be injectors or more, you need to give more symptoms.
Bill 88 FC
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
>
> Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was
cold.
> This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
> After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took it
> to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
> He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse than
> before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
> whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run
it
> hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp up.
> The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound
like
> symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to replace
and
> what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Harrison
> Akron, Ohio
> 90 WL SP36
>
90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - martingregg598 - 11-18-2005 06:41
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
>Fuel is black, oil is blue, when cold, there could be some oil left
on the cylinder that burns off, I have been told by a great diesel
mechanic, that if I were blowing blue smoke it could be the rings.
As always a second apinion is good advice.
> Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was
cold.
> This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
> After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took it
> to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
> He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse than
> before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
> whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run
it
> hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp up.
> The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound
like
> symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to replace
and
> what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Harrison
> Akron, Ohio
> 90 WL SP36
>
90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - williamcharrison - 11-18-2005 07:15
The engine runs very smooth and noticeably stronger since the new
turbo was installed. The Cat mechanic suggested that the turbo
had not been working for a long time therefore excessive carbon
buildup could have "gummed up" the rings. The engine has 88000
miles on it.
could have--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
>
> First, I would change the thermostat.
> I think you have the Cat 3208TA, 300 HP.
> My 300 HP had only one thermostat some older 3208's have two.
> Stop at the Cat parts dept and they can print out a picture
> of this area. It is not too difficult to change. If you decide to
do
> the repair yourself, I or this forum can give further details.
> Could be injectors or more, you need to give more symptoms.
>
> Bill 88 FC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
>
> >
> > Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was
> cold.
> > This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
> > After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took
it
> > to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
> > He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse
than
> > before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
> > whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run
> it
> > hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp
up.
> > The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound
> like
> > symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to
replace
> and
> > what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chuck Harrison
> > Akron, Ohio
> > 90 WL SP36
> >
>
90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - The Whistleworks - 11-18-2005 12:27
The transmission retarder on our 88FC stopped working. Everything mechanical
outside the transmission housing checks out ok and fluid level is dead on book
@180 degrees. Previous owner said the only time it quit for him was when a
breather tube that supposedly hangs down in front of Left steer tire got
plugged. Can anyone tell me exactly where that rubber tube might be and where
it might originate on the transmission and if I'm looking in the right place
because I sure don't see it. ?
John 88FC
----- Original Message -----
From: pattypape
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:01 AM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: 90WLSP36 Smoke and heat
First, I would change the thermostat.
I think you have the Cat 3208TA, 300 HP.
My 300 HP had only one thermostat some older 3208's have two.
Stop at the Cat parts dept and they can print out a picture
of this area. It is not too difficult to change. If you decide to do
the repair yourself, I or this forum can give further details.
Could be injectors or more, you need to give more symptoms.
Bill 88 FC
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
>
> Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was
cold.
> This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
> After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took it
> to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
> He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse than
> before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
> whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run
it
> hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp up.
> The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound
like
> symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to replace
and
> what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Harrison
> Akron, Ohio
> 90 WL SP36
>
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90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - Tom Warner - 11-18-2005 13:14
Considering that a remaned cat turbo is less then $700 does that mean
that there was over $3300 in labor to remove and replace it?
tom warner
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY
At 11:39 AM 11/18/2005, you wrote:
>Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was cold.
>This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
>After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took it
>to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
>He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse than
>before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
>whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run it
>hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp up.
>The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound like
>symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to replace and
>what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
>
>Thanks,
>Chuck Harrison
>Akron, Ohio
>90 WL SP36
>
>
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90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - mrdonut12 - 11-18-2005 23:54
Chuck,
Although the smoke is getting worse, the weather is also getting
colder. It may just be cold weather that's causing the smoke.
Last winter, mine smoked so bad when started on a very cold day
that it appeared someone should call the Fire Dept. ;o)
I found my engine heater had quit working. I went to NAPA and
bought a 2,000 watt engine heater.
If I pre-heat the engine, it barely smokes at all, but if the
engine is bone-cold when I start it, it can produce significant smoke.
The 3208 has no glow plugs, so it's extremely inefficient on a
cold start and that's where the smoke comes from.
Pre-heat your engine before starting and if that reduces the
smoke significantly, it may not even be broken, just a 3208.
Regarding the engine temp, you need to go to a Cat dealer and get
the "thermostat kit" so you have good quality thermostats (it uses 2).
Running the engine below operating temp isn't good for the engine.
If fact, I believe in changing thermostats about every 3 years as a
maintenance item. A bad thermostat can have a significant impact on
an engine and I don't like risk. Better safe than sorry.
George Witt
81 FC 35
Lincoln, Nebraska
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
>
> Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was cold.
> This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
> After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took it
> to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
> He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse than
> before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
> whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run it
> hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp up.
> The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound like
> symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to replace and
> what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Harrison
> Akron, Ohio
> 90 WL SP36
>
90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - racin41@... - 11-21-2005 03:09
Chuck,
We paid $1,696 for a new turbo (cartridge) from a CAT dealer 2 1/2 years
ago.
Bill & Rita in Roanoke, VA (46 & rain)
1987 FC-35 3208/300hp
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90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - williamcharrison - 11-21-2005 06:33
The Cat dealer charged $2075.00 (supposedly for a new turbo).
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Tom Warner
wrote:
>
> Considering that a remaned cat turbo is less then $700 does that
mean
> that there was over $3300 in labor to remove and replace it?
>
> tom warner
> 1982 FC35
> Vernon Center,NY
>
> At 11:39 AM 11/18/2005, you wrote:
> >Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was
cold.
> >This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
> >After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took
it
> >to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
> >He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse than
> >before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
> >whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run
it
> >hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp up.
> >The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound
like
> >symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to replace
and
> >what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Chuck Harrison
> >Akron, Ohio
> >90 WL SP36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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90WLSP36 Smoke and heat - williamcharrison - 11-21-2005 06:37
Thanks George,
I tried an experiment, I kept the bird in our heated warehouse
over the weekend and when I started it this morning there was little
or no oil smoke. By the way, how do you turn on the engine
preheat?
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "mrdonut12"
<mrdonut12@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Chuck,
> Although the smoke is getting worse, the weather is also
getting
> colder. It may just be cold weather that's causing the smoke.
> Last winter, mine smoked so bad when started on a very cold
day
> that it appeared someone should call the Fire Dept. ;o)
> I found my engine heater had quit working. I went to NAPA and
> bought a 2,000 watt engine heater.
> If I pre-heat the engine, it barely smokes at all, but if the
> engine is bone-cold when I start it, it can produce significant
smoke.
> The 3208 has no glow plugs, so it's extremely inefficient on a
> cold start and that's where the smoke comes from.
> Pre-heat your engine before starting and if that reduces the
> smoke significantly, it may not even be broken, just a 3208.
> Regarding the engine temp, you need to go to a Cat dealer and
get
> the "thermostat kit" so you have good quality thermostats (it uses
2).
> Running the engine below operating temp isn't good for the
engine.
> If fact, I believe in changing thermostats about every 3 years as a
> maintenance item. A bad thermostat can have a significant impact
on
> an engine and I don't like risk. Better safe than sorry.
>
> George Witt
> 81 FC 35
> Lincoln, Nebraska
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "williamcharrison"
>
> >
> > Just recently my bird began to blow blue oil smoke when it was
cold.
> > This symptom has gradually gotten worse over the last 3 months.
> > After warmup the smoke disappeared (after 10 min or so). I took
it
> > to the local Cat dealer who discovered that the turbo was shot.
> > He replaced the turbo ($4000.00 +) and the oil smoke is worse
than
> > before, what's more, the engine will not heat to above 160 deg.
> > whereas before it ran at 190 deg. The dealer says I have to run
it
> > hard to clean the engine out but I have to get the engine temp
up.
> > The oil temp also does not go up over 170 deg. Does this sound
like
> > symptoms of a stuck thermostat? If so, how hard is it to
replace and
> > what would cause the excessive oil smoke?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chuck Harrison
> > Akron, Ohio
> > 90 WL SP36
> >
>