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Emergency shut down mod - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 04-25-2006 02:15
Good morning everyone:
There, recently, has been a situation that needs to be addressed with a
modification added to the '88 through 90's Birds.
I am working on drawing a schematic which adds a Bosh relay and a switch
located in an accessory slot on the dash, for the engine emergency shut
down of the engine.
Problem: A relay, # 34 welded the contacts and the Coach could not be shut
down with either the dash or rear key switch and there is not a manual
cable pull such as in the older Bird's.
Solution: Adding a relay to the fuel shut off valve circuit, that is
controlled by a switch on the dash. The relay coil will be on the switch
and the wire going to the fuel shut off valve on the engine will be on the
normally closed side of the relay, thus if the added relay ever fails then
it will fail closed keeping the power on the fuel shut off valve. By
switching the relay, the circuit to the fuel shut off valve is opened up
and you have engine shut down.
I will try to get this modification added to the files section this
weekend, with the correct wire numbers/colors and connections for those who
might be interested.
This circuit will be added to Ken and Patti Marsh's "ToWanda" Which is an
'89PTWB.
So far as I know, this is a first with this "no shut down" problem. It,
seemingly has always been, "I can't get it to start" problem.
Safe travels,
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
Emergency shut down mod - erniecarpet@... - 04-25-2006 02:34
Your cutoff should be at the base of your steering column, I believe.
Ernie-83pt40
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Emergency shut down mod - Scott Forman - 04-25-2006 06:26
"there is not a manual cable pull such as in the older Bird's"
Does my '82 FC have one of these? Where is it?
Scott Forman
82 FC35RB
Memphis
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> Good morning everyone:
>
> There, recently, has been a situation that needs to be addressed
with a
> modification added to the '88 through 90's Birds.
>
> I am working on drawing a schematic which adds a Bosh relay and a
switch
> located in an accessory slot on the dash, for the engine emergency
shut
> down of the engine.
>
> Problem: A relay, # 34 welded the contacts and the Coach could not
be shut
> down with either the dash or rear key switch and there is not a
manual
> cable pull such as in the older Bird's.
>
> Solution: Adding a relay to the fuel shut off valve circuit, that
is
> controlled by a switch on the dash. The relay coil will be on the
switch
> and the wire going to the fuel shut off valve on the engine will be
on the
> normally closed side of the relay, thus if the added relay ever
fails then
> it will fail closed keeping the power on the fuel shut off valve.
By
> switching the relay, the circuit to the fuel shut off valve is
opened up
> and you have engine shut down.
>
> I will try to get this modification added to the files section this
> weekend, with the correct wire numbers/colors and connections for
those who
> might be interested.
>
> This circuit will be added to Ken and Patti Marsh's "ToWanda" Which
is an
> '89PTWB.
>
> So far as I know, this is a first with this "no shut down"
problem. It,
> seemingly has always been, "I can't get it to start" problem.
>
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
>
Emergency shut down mod - Tom Warner - 04-25-2006 07:21
There is no shutoff for the 1982 FC models.
tom warner
vernon center,ny
1985 pt40
At 02:34 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:
>Your cutoff should be at the base of your steering column, I believe.
>Ernie-83pt40
>
>
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Emergency shut down mod - Henry Jay Hannigan - 04-25-2006 08:37
---EMERGENCY SHUTOFF OF DIESEL...I have been told by the old timers
here in Australia that to SHUT OFF a diesel just COVER THE AIR
INTAKE WITH A TOWEL, RAGS ETC......I guess that sometimes diesels
can.."RUN AWAY"... and that's how they shut them off..eg..NO AIR..NO
RUN....I never had the need over here yet but Ralph's "shut off"
switch" reminded me..so I am passing it on...I imagine that I will
get a few comments.........I'm OUTTA HERE in 6 days.....Back to the
great United States of America!!!!!
See Ya!
Hank Hannigan
90Sp36(stored in Vegas)
In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> Good morning everyone:
>
> There, recently, has been a situation that needs to be addressed
with a
> modification added to the '88 through 90's Birds.
>
> I am working on drawing a schematic which adds a Bosh relay and a
switch
> located in an accessory slot on the dash, for the engine emergency
shut
> down of the engine.
>
> Problem: A relay, # 34 welded the contacts and the Coach could not
be shut
> down with either the dash or rear key switch and there is not a
manual
> cable pull such as in the older Bird's.
>
> Solution: Adding a relay to the fuel shut off valve circuit, that
is
> controlled by a switch on the dash. The relay coil will be on the
switch
> and the wire going to the fuel shut off valve on the engine will
be on the
> normally closed side of the relay, thus if the added relay ever
fails then
> it will fail closed keeping the power on the fuel shut off valve.
By
> switching the relay, the circuit to the fuel shut off valve is
opened up
> and you have engine shut down.
>
> I will try to get this modification added to the files section
this
> weekend, with the correct wire numbers/colors and connections for
those who
> might be interested.
>
> This circuit will be added to Ken and Patti Marsh's "ToWanda"
Which is an
> '89PTWB.
>
> So far as I know, this is a first with this "no shut down"
problem. It,
> seemingly has always been, "I can't get it to start" problem.
>
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
>
Emergency shut down mod - Ralph L. Fullenwider - 04-25-2006 09:45
Scott:
Two different engines and systems. My post concerns the PT's not FC's.
Sorry for my not making that clear.
Safe travels,
Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
At 06:26 PM 4/25/2006 +0000, you wrote:
>"there is not a manual cable pull such as in the older Bird's"
>
>Does my '82 FC have one of these? Where is it?
>
>Scott Forman
>82 FC35RB
>Memphis
>
>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> >
> > Good morning everyone:
> >
> > There, recently, has been a situation that needs to be addressed
>with a
> > modification added to the '88 through 90's Birds.
> >
> > I am working on drawing a schematic which adds a Bosh relay and a
>switch
> > located in an accessory slot on the dash, for the engine emergency
>shut
> > down of the engine.
> >
> > Problem: A relay, # 34 welded the contacts and the Coach could not
>be shut
> > down with either the dash or rear key switch and there is not a
>manual
> > cable pull such as in the older Bird's.
> >
> > Solution: Adding a relay to the fuel shut off valve circuit, that
>is
> > controlled by a switch on the dash. The relay coil will be on the
>switch
> > and the wire going to the fuel shut off valve on the engine will be
>on the
> > normally closed side of the relay, thus if the added relay ever
>fails then
> > it will fail closed keeping the power on the fuel shut off valve.
>By
> > switching the relay, the circuit to the fuel shut off valve is
>opened up
> > and you have engine shut down.
> >
> > I will try to get this modification added to the files section this
> > weekend, with the correct wire numbers/colors and connections for
>those who
> > might be interested.
> >
> > This circuit will be added to Ken and Patti Marsh's "ToWanda" Which
>is an
> > '89PTWB.
> >
> > So far as I know, this is a first with this "no shut down"
>problem. It,
> > seemingly has always been, "I can't get it to start" problem.
>
> >
> >
>
Emergency shut down mod - Stephen Birtles - 04-25-2006 10:36
have never seen a 4 cycle runaway But iam sure it can happen but have
had a 2000 horsepower GM runaway and blow it was neat 500 gallons of
old oil every where
Stephen
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> Scott:
>
> Two different engines and systems. My post concerns the PT's not FC's.
> Sorry for my not making that clear.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
>
> At 06:26 PM 4/25/2006 +0000, you wrote:
> >"there is not a manual cable pull such as in the older Bird's"
> >
> >Does my '82 FC have one of these? Where is it?
> >
> >Scott Forman
> >82 FC35RB
> >Memphis
> >
> >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Good morning everyone:
> > >
> > > There, recently, has been a situation that needs to be addressed
> >with a
> > > modification added to the '88 through 90's Birds.
> > >
> > > I am working on drawing a schematic which adds a Bosh relay and a
> >switch
> > > located in an accessory slot on the dash, for the engine emergency
> >shut
> > > down of the engine.
> > >
> > > Problem: A relay, # 34 welded the contacts and the Coach could not
> >be shut
> > > down with either the dash or rear key switch and there is not a
> >manual
> > > cable pull such as in the older Bird's.
> > >
> > > Solution: Adding a relay to the fuel shut off valve circuit, that
> >is
> > > controlled by a switch on the dash. The relay coil will be on the
> >switch
> > > and the wire going to the fuel shut off valve on the engine will be
> >on the
> > > normally closed side of the relay, thus if the added relay ever
> >fails then
> > > it will fail closed keeping the power on the fuel shut off valve.
> >By
> > > switching the relay, the circuit to the fuel shut off valve is
> >opened up
> > > and you have engine shut down.
> > >
> > > I will try to get this modification added to the files section this
> > > weekend, with the correct wire numbers/colors and connections for
> >those who
> > > might be interested.
> > >
> > > This circuit will be added to Ken and Patti Marsh's "ToWanda" Which
> >is an
> > > '89PTWB.
> > >
> > > So far as I know, this is a first with this "no shut down"
> >problem. It,
> > > seemingly has always been, "I can't get it to start" problem.
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Emergency shut down mod - randydupree2000 - 04-25-2006 13:57
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
been around several runaways,we shut them down by knocking the fuel
filter off with a hammer,shoving a raincoat in the air filter to try
to choke the engine down(it didnt work),the flap in the early DD's
don't work either,it will slow it down,but not shut it down.its hard
to stand there and try to save an engine when its running wide
open,take a sledge hammer,knock off a fuel line,then run!
randy
>
> have never seen a 4 cycle runaway But iam sure it can happen but
have
> had a 2000 horsepower GM runaway and blow it was neat 500 gallons
of
> old oil every where
> Stephen
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
>
> >
> > Scott:
> >
> > Two different engines and systems. My post concerns the PT's not
FC's.
> > Sorry for my not making that clear.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
> >
> > At 06:26 PM 4/25/2006 +0000, you wrote:
> > >"there is not a manual cable pull such as in the older Bird's"
> > >
> > >Does my '82 FC have one of these? Where is it?
> > >
> > >Scott Forman
> > >82 FC35RB
> > >Memphis
> > >
> > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Good morning everyone:
> > > >
> > > > There, recently, has been a situation that needs to be
addressed
> > >with a
> > > > modification added to the '88 through 90's Birds.
> > > >
> > > > I am working on drawing a schematic which adds a Bosh relay
and a
> > >switch
> > > > located in an accessory slot on the dash, for the engine
emergency
> > >shut
> > > > down of the engine.
> > > >
> > > > Problem: A relay, # 34 welded the contacts and the Coach
could not
> > >be shut
> > > > down with either the dash or rear key switch and there is
not a
> > >manual
> > > > cable pull such as in the older Bird's.
> > > >
> > > > Solution: Adding a relay to the fuel shut off valve
circuit, that
> > >is
> > > > controlled by a switch on the dash. The relay coil will be
on the
> > >switch
> > > > and the wire going to the fuel shut off valve on the engine
will be
> > >on the
> > > > normally closed side of the relay, thus if the added relay
ever
> > >fails then
> > > > it will fail closed keeping the power on the fuel shut off
valve.
> > >By
> > > > switching the relay, the circuit to the fuel shut off valve
is
> > >opened up
> > > > and you have engine shut down.
> > > >
> > > > I will try to get this modification added to the files
section this
> > > > weekend, with the correct wire numbers/colors and
connections for
> > >those who
> > > > might be interested.
> > > >
> > > > This circuit will be added to Ken and Patti
Marsh's "ToWanda" Which
> > >is an
> > > > '89PTWB.
> > > >
> > > > So far as I know, this is a first with this "no shut down"
> > >problem. It,
> > > > seemingly has always been, "I can't get it to start" problem.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Emergency shut down mod - Stephen Birtles - 04-25-2006 14:35
and 16 power assemblies pointing in 16 different directions
when they are supposed to in a neat little vee put the roots right
through the roof
Stephen 77fc35
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "randydupree2000"
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Birtles"
>
> been around several runaways,we shut them down by knocking the fuel
> filter off with a hammer,shoving a raincoat in the air filter to try
> to choke the engine down(it didnt work),the flap in the early DD's
> don't work either,it will slow it down,but not shut it down.its hard
> to stand there and try to save an engine when its running wide
> open,take a sledge hammer,knock off a fuel line,then run!
> randy
> >
> > have never seen a 4 cycle runaway But iam sure it can happen but
> have
> > had a 2000 horsepower GM runaway and blow it was neat 500 gallons
> of
> > old oil every where
> > Stephen
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> >
> > >
> > > Scott:
> > >
> > > Two different engines and systems. My post concerns the PT's not
> FC's.
> > > Sorry for my not making that clear.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph and Charolette Fullenwider
> > > Ralph's RV Solutions, Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > http://home.swbell.net/rlf47/index.htm
> > >
> > > At 06:26 PM 4/25/2006 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >"there is not a manual cable pull such as in the older Bird's"
> > > >
> > > >Does my '82 FC have one of these? Where is it?
> > > >
> > > >Scott Forman
> > > >82 FC35RB
> > > >Memphis
> > > >
> > > >--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph L. Fullenwider"
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Good morning everyone:
> > > > >
> > > > > There, recently, has been a situation that needs to be
> addressed
> > > >with a
> > > > > modification added to the '88 through 90's Birds.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am working on drawing a schematic which adds a Bosh relay
> and a
> > > >switch
> > > > > located in an accessory slot on the dash, for the engine
> emergency
> > > >shut
> > > > > down of the engine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Problem: A relay, # 34 welded the contacts and the Coach
> could not
> > > >be shut
> > > > > down with either the dash or rear key switch and there is
> not a
> > > >manual
> > > > > cable pull such as in the older Bird's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Solution: Adding a relay to the fuel shut off valve
> circuit, that
> > > >is
> > > > > controlled by a switch on the dash. The relay coil will be
> on the
> > > >switch
> > > > > and the wire going to the fuel shut off valve on the engine
> will be
> > > >on the
> > > > > normally closed side of the relay, thus if the added relay
> ever
> > > >fails then
> > > > > it will fail closed keeping the power on the fuel shut off
> valve.
> > > >By
> > > > > switching the relay, the circuit to the fuel shut off valve
> is
> > > >opened up
> > > > > and you have engine shut down.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will try to get this modification added to the files
> section this
> > > > > weekend, with the correct wire numbers/colors and
> connections for
> > > >those who
> > > > > might be interested.
> > > > >
> > > > > This circuit will be added to Ken and Patti
> Marsh's "ToWanda" Which
> > > >is an
> > > > > '89PTWB.
> > > > >
> > > > > So far as I know, this is a first with this "no shut down"
> > > >problem. It,
> > > > > seemingly has always been, "I can't get it to start" problem.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Emergency shut down mod - Tom Warner - 04-25-2006 15:33
There is only one sure fire way to shut down a runnaway diesel and
that is to shut off the air. Since it is caused by either oil or fuel
getting sucked into the intake past worn or blown turbocharger seals
then the only control you have is thru the air that it needs to keep
running. If this ever happens the quickest way to shut it down if
the emergency shut off does not work is to aim a fire extinguisher at
the air intake and give it a blast.
Tom Warner
Vernon Center,NY
1985 PT 40