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Propane System Issue - David Hanvy - 02-07-2007 13:59 Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank filled at a FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few days. Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas flow to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the propane tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the pressure regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as it should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears to have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any suggestions or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, I would appreciate your input. David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX Propane System Issue - ernieekberg@...> - 02-07-2007 14:08 David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had been some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston,Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: David Hanvy To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank filled at a FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few days. Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas flow to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the propane tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the pressure regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as it should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears to have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any suggestions or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, I would appreciate your input. David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Propane System Issue - David Hanvy - 02-07-2007 14:22 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is open. (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the sights.) David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had been some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? > Ernie Ekberg > 83PT40 > Livingston,Montana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Hanvy > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank filled at a > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few days. > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas flow > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the propane > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the pressure > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as it > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears to > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any suggestions > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, I > would appreciate your input. > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Propane System Issue - pattypape - 02-07-2007 14:43 Dave, The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also controlls the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead storage near the load center. Bill 88 FC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@...> wrote: > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is open. > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the sights.) > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had been > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? > > Ernie Ekberg > > 83PT40 > > Livingston,Montana > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: David Hanvy > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue > > > > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank > filled at a > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few > days. > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas > flow > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the > propane > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the > pressure > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as > it > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears > to > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any > suggestions > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, > I > > would appreciate your input. > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Propane System Issue - ernieekberg@...> - 02-07-2007 15:00 David- lots to see and do here in Montana. cheap campground at the fairgrounds here in Livingston Ernie Ekberg 83PT40 Livingston,Montana- 75 feet away from the Yellowstone river ----- Original Message ----- From: David Hanvy To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:22 PM Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Propane System Issue --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is open. (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the sights.) David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had been some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? > Ernie Ekberg > 83PT40 > Livingston,Montana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Hanvy > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank filled at a > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few days. > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas flow > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the propane > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the pressure > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as it > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears to > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any suggestions > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, I > would appreciate your input. > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Propane System Issue - David Hanvy - 02-07-2007 15:43 --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape" wrote: >Bill, Thanks for that info. I had already tried turning the electronic master switch off and back on. May I conclude from your response that if the LP detector has totally failed, that if will activate the solenoid shut-down switch ? David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > Dave, > The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also controlls > the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the > electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead > storage near the load center. > > Bill 88 FC > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@> > wrote: > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas > > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is open. > > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the sights.) > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had > been > > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the > > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that > > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? > > > Ernie Ekberg > > > 83PT40 > > > Livingston,Montana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: David Hanvy > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue > > > > > > > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank > > filled at a > > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a > few > > days. > > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no > gas > > flow > > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid > > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the > > propane > > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the > > pressure > > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full > as > > it > > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears > > to > > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any > > suggestions > > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, > > I > > > would appreciate your input. > > > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Propane System Issue - Gregory OConnor - 02-07-2007 17:06 Dave, dont rule out that the auto shutdown feature is working and there is infact a leak. I learned that the manual tank valve must be fully opened or fully closed to seat proper. My 94 needs 110 electric via inverter or other source for the stove to light. I dont know if the dash mounted AT switch will shut down the gas but it is worth a look. Hope it does not stand in the way of your trip Gregory O'Connor 94ptRomolandCA --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape" wrote: > > > > Dave, > The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also controlls > the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the > electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead > storage near the load center. > > Bill 88 FC > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@> > wrote: > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas > > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is open. > > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the sights.) > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had > been > > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the > > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that > > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? > > > Ernie Ekberg > > > 83PT40 > > > Livingston,Montana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: David Hanvy > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue > > > > > > > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank > > filled at a > > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a > few > > days. > > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no > gas > > flow > > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid > > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the > > propane > > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the > > pressure > > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full > as > > it > > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears > > to > > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any > > suggestions > > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, > > I > > > would appreciate your input. > > > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Propane System Issue - pattypape - 02-08-2007 01:52 Hi Dave, I am mostly familiar with our 88 FC, But some of the electrical drawings that I have do refer to a PT. As you probably already know Propane is dangerous and can explode and kill. And your tank is full. So if you want to continue, Check that the master shut off and the electronic master switches are turned ON. I have one, two stage pressure regulator, some BB's have more than one regulator, so check the propane at all appliances, such as: stove, all heaters and refrig etc. If all propane is shut off , again check the main manual shut off valve. Rotate it again ON/OFF/On. If still no propane, I would then suspect the auto propane detector shut down. It should have a test button, with a light and an alarm. Find the shut off solenoid. It is easy to hear and feel the magnetic solenoid activate when the power is applied to the propane detector. If you decide that the auto shut off is defective. You could try to apply 12volt DC directly to the terminals of the solenoid. This is not a good practice, but for a momentary test, this may isolate your problem. The solenoid needs 12 volts to open, then the circuit drops this voltage to about 4 to 8 volt to hold it open, So again it is not a good idea to keep 12 volts on the solenoid for a longer period of time. For more information check the CCI Controls web site . http://www.ccicontrols.com or http://www.ccicontrols.com/7719%20Instructions%200704.pdf Bill 88 FC --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@...> wrote: > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape" > wrote: > >Bill, Thanks for that info. I had already tried turning the > electronic master switch off and back on. May I conclude from your > response that if the LP detector has totally failed, that if will > activate the solenoid shut-down switch ? > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > Dave, > > The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also controlls > > the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the > > electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead > > storage near the load center. > > > > Bill 88 FC > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas > > > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is > open. > > > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the > sights.) > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had > > been > > > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit > the > > > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that > > > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? > > > > Ernie Ekberg > > > > 83PT40 > > > > Livingston,Montana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: David Hanvy > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank > > > filled at a > > > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a > > few > > > days. > > > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no > > gas > > > flow > > > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a > solenoid > > > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that > the > > > propane > > > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the > > > pressure > > > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 > full > > as > > > it > > > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator > appears > > > to > > > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any > > > suggestions > > > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off > valve, > > > I > > > > would appreciate your input. > > > > > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Propane System Issue - David Hanvy - 02-08-2007 03:56 Greg, Thanks. I have determined that there is no power coming to the LP leak detector. I pulled it out and ran power to it directly from the battery and it will light up. This seems to lead me back to a failed part in the LP system. David Hanvy 89WB PT40 Crosby Tx --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor" > > Dave, dont rule out that the auto shutdown feature is working and > there is infact a leak. I learned that the manual tank valve must be > fully opened or fully closed to seat proper. My 94 needs 110 > electric via inverter or other source for the stove to light. I dont > know if the dash mounted AT switch will shut down the gas but it is > worth a look. Hope it does not stand in the way of your trip > Gregory O'Connor > 94ptRomolandCA > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dave, > > The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also controlls > > the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the > > electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead > > storage near the load center. > > > > Bill 88 FC > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, > > > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas > > > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is > open. > > > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the > sights.) > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had > > been > > > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the > > > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that > > > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? > > > > Ernie Ekberg > > > > 83PT40 > > > > Livingston,Montana > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: David Hanvy > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank > > > filled at a > > > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a > > few > > > days. > > > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no > > gas > > > flow > > > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a > solenoid > > > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that > the > > > propane > > > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the > > > pressure > > > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full > > as > > > it > > > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator > appears > > > to > > > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any > > > suggestions > > > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off > valve, > > > I > > > > would appreciate your input. > > > > > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Propane System Issue - David Hanvy - 02-08-2007 07:03 Hi Bill, I have determined that there is no power to the detector. I pulled it out and applied power to the unit direct from the battery and it lights up. Now I need to find the incoming power source to the gas detector. I have a call in to Wanderlodge but I plan to check the CCI Controls web site. David 89 WB --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape" wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > I am mostly familiar with our 88 FC, But some of the electrical > drawings that I have do refer to a PT. As you probably already know > Propane is dangerous and can explode and kill. And your tank is full. > So if you want to continue, Check that the master shut off and the > electronic master switches are turned ON. > > I have one, two stage pressure regulator, some BB's have more than > one regulator, so check the propane at all appliances, such as: > stove, all heaters and refrig etc. If all propane is shut off , > again check the main manual shut off valve. Rotate it again ON/OFF/On. > > If still no propane, I would then suspect the auto propane detector > shut down. It should have a test button, with a light and an alarm. > Find the shut off solenoid. It is easy to hear and feel the magnetic > solenoid activate when the power is applied to the propane detector. > If you decide that the auto shut off is defective. > You could try to apply 12volt DC directly to the terminals of the > solenoid. This is not a good practice, but for a momentary test, > this may isolate your problem. The solenoid needs 12 volts to open, > then the circuit drops this voltage to about 4 to 8 volt to hold it > open, So again it is not a good idea to keep 12 volts on the > solenoid for a longer period of time. > For more information check the CCI Controls web site . > http://www.ccicontrols.com > > or > > http://www.ccicontrols.com/7719%20Instructions%200704.pdf > > Bill 88 FC > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@> > wrote: > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape" > > wrote: > > >Bill, Thanks for that info. I had already tried turning the > > electronic master switch off and back on. May I conclude from your > > response that if the LP detector has totally failed, that if will > > activate the solenoid shut-down switch ? > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > Dave, > > > The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also > controlls > > > the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the > > > electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead > > > storage near the load center. > > > > > > Bill 88 FC > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas > > > > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is > > open. > > > > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the > > sights.) > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had > > > been > > > > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit > > the > > > > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant > that > > > > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off? > > > > > Ernie Ekberg > > > > > 83PT40 > > > > > Livingston,Montana > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: David Hanvy > > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank > > > > filled at a > > > > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for > a > > > few > > > > days. > > > > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have > no > > > gas > > > > flow > > > > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a > > solenoid > > > > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that > > the > > > > propane > > > > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged > the > > > > pressure > > > > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 > > full > > > as > > > > it > > > > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator > > appears > > > > to > > > > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any > > > > suggestions > > > > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off > > valve, > > > > I > > > > > would appreciate your input. > > > > > > > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |