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Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - Al - 03-19-2007 14:14
On another forum that I participate in someone found the following
article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on diesel
engines.
"A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has been
tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel fuels. The
results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2 diesels
is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the required 460
micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is required in
No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
Link to the article
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/production_
news/prod20.txt
Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
'96 BMC B75
Mandeville, Louisiana
Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - James Harvie - 03-19-2007 15:49
The first diesel that Rudolf Diesel marketed, was designed to run on straight
vegetable oil, although the first diesel tested, ran on coal dust. I wouldn't
hesitate to run a mixed blend of 20% Biodiesel, to 80% Petrodiesel,(although
Biodiesel is still illegal to use in the US due to epa regulations) The problem
with Biodiesel is that it has a high gel rate, (+32*F) compared to Petrodiesel
(-15*F) so if used straight in cold weather, has to be preheated, in order to
flow. the other concern would be that Biodiesel has more solvents, than
Petrodiesel, which will disolve sludge that may be in the tank, so if one
decides to go this route, plan on changing the filters frequently for a while.
As for this new Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel, I wouldn't run one drop of that,
without at least some form of lubrication additive, do to the fact, that it
dosen't have enough Jimmy Harvie
82 FC Boston Ma
Al
someone found the following
article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on diesel
engines.
"A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has been
tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel fuels. The
results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2 diesels
is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the required 460
micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is required in
No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
Link to the article
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/production_
news/prod20.txt
Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
'96 BMC B75
Mandeville, Louisiana
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - Al - 03-19-2007 17:10
Jimmy,
I would agree that biodiesel has a higher gel point than
Diesel. But when you are using as a blend, then the higher gel point
will not be noticable. I believe this article used 1 - 2% as a
basis. You would be able to run 1 - 2 % blend in any weather as long
as the other 98 - 99 % is petro diesel. If you would need to add
additives to petro diesel to keep from jelling, this wil take care of
the biodiesel blend as well.
The running of biodiesel is perfectly legal in the U.S.
Actually the emmissions are better on the environment than the petro
diesel product. It is endosed by the EPA and DOT. In fact, the
government is promoting it by dumping millions of dollars in
incentives to get the technology rolling becuase biodiesel is a
renewable resource.
Yes the biodiesel is a cleanser and will remove all the years of
petro diesel deposits. This will end up in your filter but after
your first tank full, your filter changes will go back to how you
changed filters before. I change all of my filters ( gas & oil )
every 5k miles as a preventative.
My mixture goes from 50 % ( B50 )to 100 % ( B100 ) based on the
time of the year. Of course I enjoy having about two days a year as
a winter season.
Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
'96 BMC B75
Mandeville, Louisiana
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> The first diesel that Rudolf Diesel marketed, was designed to run
on straight vegetable oil, although the first diesel tested, ran on
coal dust. I wouldn't hesitate to run a mixed blend of 20% Biodiesel,
to 80% Petrodiesel,(although Biodiesel is still illegal to use in the
US due to epa regulations) The problem with Biodiesel is that it has
a high gel rate, (+32*F) compared to Petrodiesel (-15*F) so if used
straight in cold weather, has to be preheated, in order to flow. the
other concern would be that Biodiesel has more solvents, than
Petrodiesel, which will disolve sludge that may be in the tank, so if
one decides to go this route, plan on changing the filters frequently
for a while. As for this new Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel, I wouldn't run
one drop of that, without at least some form of lubrication additive,
do to the fact, that it dosen't have enough Jimmy
Harvie
> 82 FC Boston
Ma
> Al
someone found the following
> article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on diesel
> engines.
>
> "A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has been
> tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel fuels.
The
> results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2
diesels
> is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the required
460
> micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is required
in
> No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
>
> Link to the article
>
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/productio
n_
> news/prod20.txt
>
> Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> '96 BMC B75
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - James Harvie - 03-19-2007 17:25
Al. Thanks for setting me straight, on the point that Bio was legal to run in
the US. I read somewhere, that it was illegal. B100 how nice, do you live near
a Potato Chip Factory?
Al
I would agree that biodiesel has a higher gel point than
Diesel. But when you are using as a blend, then the higher gel point
will not be noticable. I believe this article used 1 - 2% as a
basis. You would be able to run 1 - 2 % blend in any weather as long
as the other 98 - 99 % is petro diesel. If you would need to add
additives to petro diesel to keep from jelling, this wil take care of
the biodiesel blend as well.
The running of biodiesel is perfectly legal in the U.S.
Actually the emmissions are better on the environment than the petro
diesel product. It is endosed by the EPA and DOT. In fact, the
government is promoting it by dumping millions of dollars in
incentives to get the technology rolling becuase biodiesel is a
renewable resource.
Yes the biodiesel is a cleanser and will remove all the years of
petro diesel deposits. This will end up in your filter but after
your first tank full, your filter changes will go back to how you
changed filters before. I change all of my filters ( gas & oil )
every 5k miles as a preventative.
My mixture goes from 50 % ( B50 )to 100 % ( B100 ) based on the
time of the year. Of course I enjoy having about two days a year as
a winter season.
Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
'96 BMC B75
Mandeville, Louisiana
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> The first diesel that Rudolf Diesel marketed, was designed to run
on straight vegetable oil, although the first diesel tested, ran on
coal dust. I wouldn't hesitate to run a mixed blend of 20% Biodiesel,
to 80% Petrodiesel,(although Biodiesel is still illegal to use in the
US due to epa regulations) The problem with Biodiesel is that it has
a high gel rate, (+32*F) compared to Petrodiesel (-15*F) so if used
straight in cold weather, has to be preheated, in order to flow. the
other concern would be that Biodiesel has more solvents, than
Petrodiesel, which will disolve sludge that may be in the tank, so if
one decides to go this route, plan on changing the filters frequently
for a while. As for this new Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel, I wouldn't run
one drop of that, without at least some form of lubrication additive,
do to the fact, that it dosen't have enough Jimmy
Harvie
> 82 FC Boston
Ma
> Al
someone found the following
> article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on diesel
> engines.
>
> "A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has been
> tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel fuels.
The
> results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2
diesels
> is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the required
460
> micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is required
in
> No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
>
> Link to the article
>
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/productio
n_
> news/prod20.txt
>
> Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> '96 BMC B75
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - Gregory OConnor - 03-19-2007 18:17
I dump 1 gal at a time of used motor oil in my 100 gal tank ( dump
truck). The used oil burns like diesel so a 10 gallon change returns
you $30.00. I start putting in ATF when the used oil is gone. ATF
is $9.00 per the gallon and replaces $3.00 worth of fuel so the cost
is $6.00 per gallon. ATF is worth $6.00 per 100 gallons IMO.
BioDiesel would have no cost as an additive because you burn the
product as fuel and it is close to cost of #2 D. I never see it at
the pumps I go to.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Al"
>
> Jimmy,
> I would agree that biodiesel has a higher gel point than
> Diesel. But when you are using as a blend, then the higher gel
point
> will not be noticable. I believe this article used 1 - 2% as a
> basis. You would be able to run 1 - 2 % blend in any weather as
long
> as the other 98 - 99 % is petro diesel. If you would need to add
> additives to petro diesel to keep from jelling, this wil take care
of
> the biodiesel blend as well.
>
> The running of biodiesel is perfectly legal in the U.S.
> Actually the emmissions are better on the environment than the
petro
> diesel product. It is endosed by the EPA and DOT. In fact, the
> government is promoting it by dumping millions of dollars in
> incentives to get the technology rolling becuase biodiesel is a
> renewable resource.
>
> Yes the biodiesel is a cleanser and will remove all the years
of
> petro diesel deposits. This will end up in your filter but after
> your first tank full, your filter changes will go back to how you
> changed filters before. I change all of my filters ( gas & oil )
> every 5k miles as a preventative.
>
> My mixture goes from 50 % ( B50 )to 100 % ( B100 ) based on
the
> time of the year. Of course I enjoy having about two days a year
as
> a winter season.
>
> Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> '96 BMC B75
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> >
> > The first diesel that Rudolf Diesel marketed, was designed to run
> on straight vegetable oil, although the first diesel tested, ran on
> coal dust. I wouldn't hesitate to run a mixed blend of 20%
Biodiesel,
> to 80% Petrodiesel,(although Biodiesel is still illegal to use in
the
> US due to epa regulations) The problem with Biodiesel is that it
has
> a high gel rate, (+32*F) compared to Petrodiesel (-15*F) so if used
> straight in cold weather, has to be preheated, in order to flow.
the
> other concern would be that Biodiesel has more solvents, than
> Petrodiesel, which will disolve sludge that may be in the tank, so
if
> one decides to go this route, plan on changing the filters
frequently
> for a while. As for this new Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel, I wouldn't
run
> one drop of that, without at least some form of lubrication
additive,
> do to the fact, that it dosen't have enough Jimmy
> Harvie
> > 82 FC Boston
> Ma
> > Al
> someone found the following
> > article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on diesel
> > engines.
> >
> > "A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has
been
> > tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel
fuels.
> The
> > results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2
> diesels
> > is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the required
> 460
> > micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is required
> in
> > No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
> >
> > Link to the article
> >
>
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/productio
> n_
> > news/prod20.txt
> >
> > Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> > '96 BMC B75
> > Mandeville, Louisiana
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - James Harvie - 03-19-2007 19:40
Al. The article I was reading, was from Wikipedia/ burning vegetable oil. Under
"Legal Implications", It states, "The conversion of an automobile engine, to
burn Vegetable oil is not legal under US EPA guidelines". This must apply to
Gasoline engines, not sure.
Jimmy Harvie
Al
I would agree that biodiesel has a higher gel point than
Diesel. But when you are using as a blend, then the higher gel point
will not be noticable. I believe this article used 1 - 2% as a
basis. You would be able to run 1 - 2 % blend in any weather as long
as the other 98 - 99 % is petro diesel. If you would need to add
additives to petro diesel to keep from jelling, this wil take care of
the biodiesel blend as well.
The running of biodiesel is perfectly legal in the U.S.
Actually the emmissions are better on the environment than the petro
diesel product. It is endosed by the EPA and DOT. In fact, the
government is promoting it by dumping millions of dollars in
incentives to get the technology rolling becuase biodiesel is a
renewable resource.
Yes the biodiesel is a cleanser and will remove all the years of
petro diesel deposits. This will end up in your filter but after
your first tank full, your filter changes will go back to how you
changed filters before. I change all of my filters ( gas & oil )
every 5k miles as a preventative.
My mixture goes from 50 % ( B50 )to 100 % ( B100 ) based on the
time of the year. Of course I enjoy having about two days a year as
a winter season.
Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
'96 BMC B75
Mandeville, Louisiana
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> The first diesel that Rudolf Diesel marketed, was designed to run
on straight vegetable oil, although the first diesel tested, ran on
coal dust. I wouldn't hesitate to run a mixed blend of 20% Biodiesel,
to 80% Petrodiesel,(although Biodiesel is still illegal to use in the
US due to epa regulations) The problem with Biodiesel is that it has
a high gel rate, (+32*F) compared to Petrodiesel (-15*F) so if used
straight in cold weather, has to be preheated, in order to flow. the
other concern would be that Biodiesel has more solvents, than
Petrodiesel, which will disolve sludge that may be in the tank, so if
one decides to go this route, plan on changing the filters frequently
for a while. As for this new Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel, I wouldn't run
one drop of that, without at least some form of lubrication additive,
do to the fact, that it dosen't have enough Jimmy
Harvie
> 82 FC Boston
Ma
> Al
someone found the following
> article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on diesel
> engines.
>
> "A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has been
> tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel fuels.
The
> results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2
diesels
> is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the required
460
> micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is required
in
> No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
>
> Link to the article
>
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/productio
n_
> news/prod20.txt
>
> Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> '96 BMC B75
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - jqrjr - 03-20-2007 03:13
Jim,
There is a guy I think he lives in a New england state, who converted
his Bluebird to run on used vegtable oil, he has special filtration
system on his coach and apparently stops for a quick burger, fries
and fill up all at once. Maybe Bruce can help you locate his
information.
Jim Riordan
88 WBWL XXV
Stuart, Fl.
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> Al. The article I was reading, was from Wikipedia/ burning
vegetable oil. Under "Legal Implications", It states, "The conversion
of an automobile engine, to burn Vegetable oil is not legal under US
EPA guidelines". This must apply to Gasoline engines, not sure.
>
Jimmy Harvie
> Al
> I would agree that biodiesel has a higher gel point than
> Diesel. But when you are using as a blend, then the higher gel
point
> will not be noticable. I believe this article used 1 - 2% as a
> basis. You would be able to run 1 - 2 % blend in any weather as
long
> as the other 98 - 99 % is petro diesel. If you would need to add
> additives to petro diesel to keep from jelling, this wil take care
of
> the biodiesel blend as well.
>
> The running of biodiesel is perfectly legal in the U.S.
> Actually the emmissions are better on the environment than the
petro
> diesel product. It is endosed by the EPA and DOT. In fact, the
> government is promoting it by dumping millions of dollars in
> incentives to get the technology rolling becuase biodiesel is a
> renewable resource.
>
> Yes the biodiesel is a cleanser and will remove all the years of
> petro diesel deposits. This will end up in your filter but after
> your first tank full, your filter changes will go back to how you
> changed filters before. I change all of my filters ( gas & oil )
> every 5k miles as a preventative.
>
> My mixture goes from 50 % ( B50 )to 100 % ( B100 ) based on the
> time of the year. Of course I enjoy having about two days a year as
> a winter season.
>
> Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> '96 BMC B75
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> >
> > The first diesel that Rudolf Diesel marketed, was designed to run
> on straight vegetable oil, although the first diesel tested, ran on
> coal dust. I wouldn't hesitate to run a mixed blend of 20%
Biodiesel,
> to 80% Petrodiesel,(although Biodiesel is still illegal to use in
the
> US due to epa regulations) The problem with Biodiesel is that it
has
> a high gel rate, (+32*F) compared to Petrodiesel (-15*F) so if used
> straight in cold weather, has to be preheated, in order to flow.
the
> other concern would be that Biodiesel has more solvents, than
> Petrodiesel, which will disolve sludge that may be in the tank, so
if
> one decides to go this route, plan on changing the filters
frequently
> for a while. As for this new Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel, I wouldn't
run
> one drop of that, without at least some form of lubrication
additive,
> do to the fact, that it dosen't have enough Jimmy
> Harvie
> > 82 FC Boston
> Ma
> > Al
> someone found the following
> > article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on diesel
> > engines.
> >
> > "A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has
been
> > tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel
fuels.
> The
> > results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2
> diesels
> > is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the required
> 460
> > micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is required
> in
> > No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
> >
> > Link to the article
> >
>
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/productio
> n_
> > news/prod20.txt
> >
> > Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> > '96 BMC B75
> > Mandeville, Louisiana
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - Al - 03-20-2007 03:25
James,
LOL .. I wish.. They have great oil for the conversion to
biodiesel. I do live in the south where we love to eat. So there
are plenty of resturants that love to bring me oil. At about .68 a
gallong to make.. Its a great thing for me and my family. I have
been using since November '05, so it is a safe product to use.
Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
'96 BMC B75
Mandeville, Louisiana
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> Al. Thanks for setting me straight, on the point that Bio was legal
to run in the US. I read somewhere, that it was illegal. B100 how
nice, do you live near a Potato Chip Factory?
>
> Al
> I would agree that biodiesel has a higher gel point than
> Diesel. But when you are using as a blend, then the higher gel
point
> will not be noticable. I believe this article used 1 - 2% as a
> basis. You would be able to run 1 - 2 % blend in any weather as
long
> as the other 98 - 99 % is petro diesel. If you would need to add
> additives to petro diesel to keep from jelling, this wil take care
of
> the biodiesel blend as well.
>
> The running of biodiesel is perfectly legal in the U.S.
> Actually the emmissions are better on the environment than the
petro
> diesel product. It is endosed by the EPA and DOT. In fact, the
> government is promoting it by dumping millions of dollars in
> incentives to get the technology rolling becuase biodiesel is a
> renewable resource.
>
> Yes the biodiesel is a cleanser and will remove all the years of
> petro diesel deposits. This will end up in your filter but after
> your first tank full, your filter changes will go back to how you
> changed filters before. I change all of my filters ( gas & oil )
> every 5k miles as a preventative.
>
> My mixture goes from 50 % ( B50 )to 100 % ( B100 ) based on the
> time of the year. Of course I enjoy having about two days a year as
> a winter season.
>
> Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> '96 BMC B75
> Mandeville, Louisiana
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> >
> > The first diesel that Rudolf Diesel marketed, was designed to run
> on straight vegetable oil, although the first diesel tested, ran on
> coal dust. I wouldn't hesitate to run a mixed blend of 20%
Biodiesel,
> to 80% Petrodiesel,(although Biodiesel is still illegal to use in
the
> US due to epa regulations) The problem with Biodiesel is that it
has
> a high gel rate, (+32*F) compared to Petrodiesel (-15*F) so if used
> straight in cold weather, has to be preheated, in order to flow.
the
> other concern would be that Biodiesel has more solvents, than
> Petrodiesel, which will disolve sludge that may be in the tank, so
if
> one decides to go this route, plan on changing the filters
frequently
> for a while. As for this new Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel, I wouldn't
run
> one drop of that, without at least some form of lubrication
additive,
> do to the fact, that it dosen't have enough Jimmy
> Harvie
> > 82 FC Boston
> Ma
> > Al
> someone found the following
> > article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on diesel
> > engines.
> >
> > "A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has
been
> > tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel
fuels.
> The
> > results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2
> diesels
> > is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the required
> 460
> > micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is required
> in
> > No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
> >
> > Link to the article
> >
>
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/productio
> n_
> > news/prod20.txt
> >
> > Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> > '96 BMC B75
> > Mandeville, Louisiana
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate
> > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A.
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> >
>
>
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Ultra-low sulfur diesel fuel affects lubrication - Al - 03-20-2007 03:32
Hi Jim,
Yes I believe you are talking about Steve with a BMC. The
technology of using straight vegie oil is really not a proven one.
The vilosity of the oil is much thicker than biodiesel or
petrodiesel. He succussfully coverted his bus to run on straight
used oil but only time will tell. I am sure he believes in the
technology and from what I saw in his pictures, he knows what he is
talking about. A very nice professional conversion for sure.
Certainly straight vegie oil will have even higher freeze temp than
biodiesel or petro diesel. But people running those systems usually
have some form of heating mechanism to get the oil upto engine temp.
Then they swap off of petro diesel to staight cooking oil. Before
they shut down they swap back to petro diesel to clense out the
system so it will start again next time.
Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
'96 BMC B75
Mandeville, Louisiana
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "jqrjr"
>
> Jim,
> There is a guy I think he lives in a New england state, who
converted
> his Bluebird to run on used vegtable oil, he has special filtration
> system on his coach and apparently stops for a quick burger, fries
> and fill up all at once. Maybe Bruce can help you locate his
> information.
>
> Jim Riordan
> 88 WBWL XXV
> Stuart, Fl.
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
>
> >
> > Al. The article I was reading, was from Wikipedia/ burning
> vegetable oil. Under "Legal Implications", It states, "The
conversion
> of an automobile engine, to burn Vegetable oil is not legal under
US
> EPA guidelines". This must apply to Gasoline engines, not sure.
> >
> Jimmy Harvie
> > Al
> > I would agree that biodiesel has a higher gel point than
> > Diesel. But when you are using as a blend, then the higher gel
> point
> > will not be noticable. I believe this article used 1 - 2% as a
> > basis. You would be able to run 1 - 2 % blend in any weather as
> long
> > as the other 98 - 99 % is petro diesel. If you would need to add
> > additives to petro diesel to keep from jelling, this wil take
care
> of
> > the biodiesel blend as well.
> >
> > The running of biodiesel is perfectly legal in the U.S.
> > Actually the emmissions are better on the environment than the
> petro
> > diesel product. It is endosed by the EPA and DOT. In fact, the
> > government is promoting it by dumping millions of dollars in
> > incentives to get the technology rolling becuase biodiesel is a
> > renewable resource.
> >
> > Yes the biodiesel is a cleanser and will remove all the years of
> > petro diesel deposits. This will end up in your filter but after
> > your first tank full, your filter changes will go back to how you
> > changed filters before. I change all of my filters ( gas & oil )
> > every 5k miles as a preventative.
> >
> > My mixture goes from 50 % ( B50 )to 100 % ( B100 ) based on the
> > time of the year. Of course I enjoy having about two days a year
as
> > a winter season.
> >
> > Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> > '96 BMC B75
> > Mandeville, Louisiana
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, James Harvie
> >
> > >
> > > The first diesel that Rudolf Diesel marketed, was designed to
run
> > on straight vegetable oil, although the first diesel tested, ran
on
> > coal dust. I wouldn't hesitate to run a mixed blend of 20%
> Biodiesel,
> > to 80% Petrodiesel,(although Biodiesel is still illegal to use in
> the
> > US due to epa regulations) The problem with Biodiesel is that it
> has
> > a high gel rate, (+32*F) compared to Petrodiesel (-15*F) so if
used
> > straight in cold weather, has to be preheated, in order to flow.
> the
> > other concern would be that Biodiesel has more solvents, than
> > Petrodiesel, which will disolve sludge that may be in the tank,
so
> if
> > one decides to go this route, plan on changing the filters
> frequently
> > for a while. As for this new Ultra Low Sulpher Diesel, I wouldn't
> run
> > one drop of that, without at least some form of lubrication
> additive,
> > do to the fact, that it dosen't have enough Jimmy
> > Harvie
> > > 82 FC Boston
> > Ma
> > > Al
> > someone found the following
> > > article summarizing the wear that Ultra-Low Diesel has on
diesel
> > > engines.
> > >
> > > "A lower wear score indicates better lubricity. Biodiesel has
> been
> > > tested at varying concentrations with No. 1 and No. 2 diesel
> fuels.
> > The
> > > results indicate that a 1 percent blend of biodiesel with No. 2
> > diesels
> > > is sufficient to reduce the HFRR micron score below the
required
> > 460
> > > micron standard. However, a 2 percent biodiesel blend is
required
> > in
> > > No. 1 diesel to get the HFRR micron score down to 460 microns."
> > >
> > > Link to the article
> > >
> >
>
http://www.farmandranchguide.com/articles/2007/03/18/ag_news/productio
> > n_
> > > news/prod20.txt
> > >
> > > Al, Kathy, Alfred & Daniel Johnson
> > > '96 BMC B75
> > > Mandeville, Louisiana
> > >
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