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OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - txfulltimers - 11-17-2010 01:54

Howdy.
<b style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon, near Wylie, TX.

We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and the Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses power, kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes on as normal. We thought that this was caused by the coolant level sensor which was dying. Jack replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this problem. One other thing is the tach. The tach needle will wander then settle down, then wander again. We want to get the coach down to Clyde in Seguin, TX, BUT I am really worried that we might get stranded on the side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a solution would be most welcomed.

Jack and Liz Pearce
1993 BB WLWB
Currently in Wylie, TX

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OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - Chuck Wheeler - 11-17-2010 03:28

Smells like electrical to me.  Usually
when several strange things start happening I have found a ground problem
someplace. 

- Chuck
Wheeler-

1982 FC 31SB Fort Worth TX


From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of txfulltimers

Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010
7:54 AM

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Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] OUR
1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!!



Howdy.

Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon,
near Wylie, TX.



We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and the
Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses power,
kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes on as normal. We
thought that this was caused by the coolant level sensor which was dying. Jack
replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this problem. One other thing is the
tach. The tach needle will wander then settle down, then wander again. We
want to get the coach down to Clyde in Seguin,
TX, BUT I am really worried that
we might get stranded on the side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a
solution would be most welcomed.



Jack and Liz Pearce

1993 BB WLWB

Currently in Wylie, TX



OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - Don Bradner - 11-17-2010 03:46

Check the codes on the engine - hold down the engine test button, and count the
flashes, which will be in sets of two. There may be several codes, hold it down
until it repeats and record all codes. Tell us what you get.

On 11/17/2010 at 1:54 PM txfulltimers wrote:

>Howdy.
>Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon, near Wylie,
>TX.
>
>We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and
>the Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses
>power, kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes on
>as normal. We thought that this was caused by the coolant level sensor
>which was dying. Jack replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this
>problem. One other thing is the tach. The tach needle will wander then
>settle down, then wander again. We want to get the coach down to Clyde
>in Seguin, TX, BUT I am really worried that we might get stranded on the
>side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a solution would be most
>welcomed.
>
>Jack and Liz Pearce
>1993 BB WLWB
>Currently in Wylie, TX

OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - Robert Johannesen - 11-17-2010 04:09

Jack, did ya'll by chance touch the rear start switch? I got both engine and trans Check lights when I did that.
Bob J.


From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, November 17, 2010 9:46:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!!



Check the codes on the engine - hold down the engine test button, and count the flashes, which will be in sets of two. There may be several codes, hold it down until it repeats and record all codes. Tell us what you get.

On 11/17/2010 at 1:54 PM txfulltimers wrote:

>Howdy.
>Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon, near Wylie,
>TX.
>
>We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and
>the Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses
>power, kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes on
>as normal. We thought that this was caused by the coolant level sensor
>which was dying. Jack replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this
>problem. One other thing is the tach. The tach needle will wander then
>settle down, then wander again. We want to get the coach down to Clyde
>in Seguin, TX, BUT I am
really worried that we might get stranded on the
>side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a solution would be most
>welcomed.
>
>Jack and Liz Pearce
>1993 BB WLWB
>Currently in Wylie, TX



OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - Kurt Horvath - 11-17-2010 07:25

Hi Jack & Liz,

Call your mechanic and ask him if he knows a reputable Mobile Mechanic to check on the problem.
If that's not possible tow her in on a low profile flat bed trailer, Cheaper than a new motor.

Kurt




On Nov 17, 2010, Don Bradner wrote:



OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - GARY MINKER - 11-22-2010 07:03

I could be really wrong but a stumbling engine smells like air in the fuel lines or a cracked fuel hose on the back side of a plugged filter headed for a pump. Unless your computer is dying or you have a corroded computer fuse or bad computer or engine ground.
gary
85pt40

--- On Wed, 11/17/10, Kurt Horvath wrote:
From: Kurt Horvath
Subject: Re: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!!
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 2010, 2:25 PM




Hi Jack & Liz,

Call your mechanic and ask him if he knows a reputable Mobile Mechanic to check on the problem.
If that's not possible tow her in on a low profile flat bed trailer, Cheaper than a new motor.

Kurt



On Nov 17, 2010, Don Bradner wrote:




Check the codes on the engine - hold down the engine test button, and count the flashes, which will be in sets of two. There may be several codes, hold it down until it repeats and record all codes. Tell us what you get.

On 11/17/2010 at 1:54 PM txfulltimers wrote:

>Howdy.
>Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon, near Wylie,
>TX.
>
>We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and
>the Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses
>power, kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes on
>as normal. We thought that this was caused by the coolant level sensor
>which was dying. Jack replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this
>problem. One other thing is the tach. The tach needle will wander then
>settle down, then wander again. We want to get the coach down to Clyde
>in Seguin, TX, BUT I am
really worried that we might get stranded on the
>side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a solution would be most
>welcomed.
>
>Jack and Liz Pearce
>1993 BB WLWB
>Currently in Wylie, TX



OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - txfulltimers - 11-24-2010 12:11

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner" wrote:
>
> Check the codes on the engine - hold down the engine test button, and count the flashes, which will be in sets of two. There may be several codes, hold it down until it repeats and record all codes. Tell us what you get.

Howdy, Don.
Here are the codes, read this morning:

13, 16, 24, 36, 43, 44, 46, 53.

TIA,
Jack and Liz
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
D'Hanis, TX Winter
Buena Vista, CO Summer






>
> On 11/17/2010 at 1:54 PM txfulltimers wrote:
>
> >Howdy.
> >Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon, near Wylie,
> >TX.
> >
> >We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and
> >the Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses
> >power, kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes on
> >as normal. We thought that this was caused by the coolant level sensor
> >which was dying. Jack replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this
> >problem. One other thing is the tach. The tach needle will wander then
> >settle down, then wander again. We want to get the coach down to Clyde
> >in Seguin, TX, BUT I am really worried that we might get stranded on the
> >side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a solution would be most
> >welcomed.
> >
> >Jack and Liz Pearce
> >1993 BB WLWB
> >Currently in Wylie, TX
>

OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - Don Bradner - 11-24-2010 12:57

OK, here is what they mean:
13 Coolant Level Low Voltage
16 Coolant Level High Voltage
24 Fuel Temperature Voltage Low
36 Oil Pressure Sensor Volatge Low
43 Low Coolant for 7 seconds. Will also trigger Stop Engine
44 Oil or Coolant over temperature. Will also trigger Stop Engine
46 Low Battery Voltage for more than 30 seconds
53 EEPROM memory failure (internal DDEC)

Note that these are historical codes and they do not tell you when they
occurred. Whenever I find that I have any codes (they can be spurious) I get
them cleared. "No Codes" is a 25

On 11/25/2010 at 12:11 AM txfulltimers wrote:

>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
>wrote:
>>
>> Check the codes on the engine - hold down the engine test button, and
>count the flashes, which will be in sets of two. There may be several
>codes, hold it down until it repeats and record all codes. Tell us what
>you get.
>
>Howdy, Don.
>Here are the codes, read this morning:
>
>13, 16, 24, 36, 43, 44, 46, 53.
>
>TIA,
>Jack and Liz
>Regards,
>Jack and Liz Pearce
>Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
>D'Hanis, TX Winter
>Buena Vista, CO Summer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 11/17/2010 at 1:54 PM txfulltimers wrote:
>>
>> >Howdy.
>> >Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon, near Wylie,
>> >TX.
>> >
>> >We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and
>> >the Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses
>> >power, kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes
>on
>> >as normal. We thought that this was caused by the coolant level
>sensor
>> >which was dying. Jack replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this
>> >problem. One other thing is the tach. The tach needle will wander
>then
>> >settle down, then wander again. We want to get the coach down to
>Clyde
>> >in Seguin, TX, BUT I am really worried that we might get stranded on
>the
>> >side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a solution would be most
>> >welcomed.
>> >
>> >Jack and Liz Pearce
>> >1993 BB WLWB
>> >Currently in Wylie, TX
>>

OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - Ralph - 11-24-2010 13:11

Sounds like 53 alone would cover all bases with low voltage. This has been a
bane of DDEC since the dawn of time. Corroded pins on a molex plug? Intermittent
connectors from the voltage source. Bad batteries dirty connections. And on and
on.
Safe travels, Ralph &
Charolette Fullenwider
'84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
Duncan, Oklahoma
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Don Bradner"
Sender: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:57:06
To:
Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!!

OK, here is what they mean:
13 Coolant Level Low Voltage
16 Coolant Level High Voltage
24 Fuel Temperature Voltage Low
36 Oil Pressure Sensor Volatge Low
43 Low Coolant for 7 seconds. Will also trigger Stop Engine
44 Oil or Coolant over temperature. Will also trigger Stop Engine
46 Low Battery Voltage for more than 30 seconds
53 EEPROM memory failure (internal DDEC)

Note that these are historical codes and they do not tell you when they
occurred. Whenever I find that I have any codes (they can be spurious) I get
them cleared. "No Codes" is a 25

On 11/25/2010 at 12:11 AM txfulltimers wrote:

>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
>wrote:
>>
>> Check the codes on the engine - hold down the engine test button, and
>count the flashes, which will be in sets of two. There may be several
>codes, hold it down until it repeats and record all codes. Tell us what
>you get.
>
>Howdy, Don.
>Here are the codes, read this morning:
>
>13, 16, 24, 36, 43, 44, 46, 53.
>
>TIA,
>Jack and Liz
>Regards,
>Jack and Liz Pearce
>Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
>D'Hanis, TX Winter
>Buena Vista, CO Summer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 11/17/2010 at 1:54 PM txfulltimers wrote:
>>
>> >Howdy.
>> >Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon, near Wylie,
>> >TX.
>> >
>> >We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and
>> >the Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses
>> >power, kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes
>on
>> >as normal. We thought that this was caused by the coolant level
>sensor
>> >which was dying. Jack replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this
>> >problem. One other thing is the tach. The tach needle will wander
>then
>> >settle down, then wander again. We want to get the coach down to
>Clyde
>> >in Seguin, TX, BUT I am really worried that we might get stranded on
>the
>> >side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a solution would be most
>> >welcomed.
>> >
>> >Jack and Liz Pearce
>> >1993 BB WLWB
>> >Currently in Wylie, TX
>>





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OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!! - Don Bradner - 11-24-2010 15:39

I agree. I run VMSPc, and one of the things it shows me is the voltage the DDEC
is seeing. I was amazed at how much it jumped around, and how low it would go
(11 to 13.4 was the range I initially saw). My dash gauge was steady in the high
13 range.

Cleaning grounds helped, and I got the most stability when I added a heavy
jumper from the ground side of the batteries to a bolt on the engine itself. I
still see steady swings in the DDEC voltage, but now it is 12.8-13.4, roughly.

On 11/25/2010 at 1:11 AM Ralph wrote:

>Sounds like 53 alone would cover all bases with low voltage. This has
>been a bane of DDEC since the dawn of time. Corroded pins on a molex plug?
>Intermittent connectors from the voltage source. Bad batteries dirty
>connections. And on and on.
>Safe travels, Ralph &
>Charolette Fullenwider
>'84 FC35 "Ruff Diamond"
>Duncan, Oklahoma
>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Don Bradner"
>Sender: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:57:06
>To:
>Reply-To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: OUR 1993 BB IS SICK !!! HELP!!
>
>OK, here is what they mean:
>13 Coolant Level Low Voltage
>16 Coolant Level High Voltage
>24 Fuel Temperature Voltage Low
>36 Oil Pressure Sensor Volatge Low
>43 Low Coolant for 7 seconds. Will also trigger Stop Engine
>44 Oil or Coolant over temperature. Will also trigger Stop Engine
>46 Low Battery Voltage for more than 30 seconds
>53 EEPROM memory failure (internal DDEC)
>
>Note that these are historical codes and they do not tell you when they
>occurred. Whenever I find that I have any codes (they can be spurious) I
>get them cleared. "No Codes" is a 25
>
>On 11/25/2010 at 12:11 AM txfulltimers wrote:
>
>>--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
>>wrote:
>>>
>>> Check the codes on the engine - hold down the engine test button, and
>>count the flashes, which will be in sets of two. There may be several
>>codes, hold it down until it repeats and record all codes. Tell us what
>>you get.
>>
>>Howdy, Don.
>>Here are the codes, read this morning:
>>
>>13, 16, 24, 36, 43, 44, 46, 53.
>>
>>TIA,
>>Jack and Liz
>>Regards,
>>Jack and Liz Pearce
>>Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WB40
>>D'Hanis, TX Winter
>>Buena Vista, CO Summer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2010 at 1:54 PM txfulltimers wrote:
>>>
>>> >Howdy.
>>> >Right now we are at the East Fork COE park at Lake Lavon, near Wylie,
>>> >TX.
>>> >
>>> >We are having real problems with the Bird. The Check Engine light and
>>> >the Test Engine lights come on and a buzzer buzzes. The engine loses
>>> >power, kinda stumbles for about 4 seconds. Then it recovers and goes
>>on
>>> >as normal. We thought that this was caused by the coolant level
>>sensor
>>> >which was dying. Jack replaced that sensor but it didn't solve this
>>> >problem. One other thing is the tach. The tach needle will wander
>>then
>>> >settle down, then wander again. We want to get the coach down to
>>Clyde
>>> >in Seguin, TX, BUT I am really worried that we might get stranded on
>>the
>>> >side of a road. Suggestions, ideas for a solution would be most
>>> >welcomed.
>>> >
>>> >Jack and Liz Pearce
>>> >1993 BB WLWB
>>> >Currently in Wylie, TX
>>>
>
>
>
>
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