Perkins Gen-set

[dru penland]

I appreciate your thoughts. I am the second owner and don't know too what extent the previous used the generator, but could have been a healthy amperage draw as they lived init. Having extra appliances on and the side of the bus that was inoperable was the kitchen side. The rear and middle ac units both use that circuit, as well. I never have run but one unit (rear or middle) at a time with the generator.I'm very conscious of the fact that this is old equipment and never run it at it rated capacity. I alsoturn thea/c compressor off if running the oven, coffee pot, microwave, heater, big amp drawing equipment. I've had breakers give it up on my residence. I really think the breakerhas had its life and it was a hard one at one time.

This past weekend, I started the generatorin the heat of the day and transferred the rear a/c(old Duo Therm)load over to the generatorwhich, in my opinion jolted the compressor causing an amperage spike (the unit new had a locked rotor amperage draw of 60 amps) the old worn out breaker couldn't handle.This particular breaker is barred, too. It was too week to trip its partner. On the other hand, I have had no problems with shore power and unlike my old travel trailer, the wiring to the bus and on the bus stays relatively cool.

I'll monitor maters, but I really think I'm a victim of 26 year old hard life breaker syndrome. Measured voltage at both legsis 114.5 volts @ 59.6 htz.

Thanks toyou all. Perseverance will keep us all safe.

Dru and Debora
Corpus Christi, TX
1983 FC 35 RB
Steady Gittin' It!

---

From: gregoryoconnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:04:18 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins Gen-set

a blown fuse and circuit breaker are usually the result of a problem and not the problem.

I once viewed a consumer watchdog news sting where a woman car owner went into a auto repair shop for 'windshield wiper not turning on repair'. several shops replaced the news team installed bad fuse and sent her on her way. One shop spent a methodical 3/4 hour trying to figure why the fuses blew respecting the customers safety in probable traffic during a downpour which is the test period for repair. I felt the shops in error were those only replacing the fuse and not researching or finding the problem.

One issue I know very little about is lost neutral and the return of ac current thru the other leg????????? A heat cooked breaker can be the genset ambient environment or the tripping damage of the breaker doing its job

One other issue is the bonding of a genset made ac within a motorhome. I can only assume that it is to be onboard bonded
unlike onboard bonding or shorepower ac.

Just flipping a switch and repowering 50 amps without finding the problem can cause 49 amp of hurt when a repeat of the event that caused the trip shows different result.

I test my swimmingpool light with a tennisball. It's
difficult to get a dog to turn on the toaster in my bus so I would look for the true problem and not the quick fix.

Greg ofTim&Greg
94ptca

--- In "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com", dru penland wrote:
>
> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
>
> It's the breaker in the generator house.It won't close the circuit. Looks a little toasty, as well.
>
> Your too good and too kind with your knowledge.Thanks again!
> Dru and Debora
>
Corpus Christi, TX
> 1983 FC 35 RB
> Steady Gittin' It!
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Ralph Fullenwider
> To: "WanderlodgeForum%40yahoogroups.com"
> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 2:00:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Perkins Gen-set
>
>
> Oh, and reset the lower left GFI breaker in the main panel in the closet, if it is leg 2.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> At 11:52 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>
> Thank you so much, Ralph! I can't wait for the clock to 4 so I can go check it out. I felt sick when this happened
to me. I just felt $$$ coming out of my pocket. It appears from the wiring schematic that the fan motor for the generator radiator is 220v. It's running like it always has. If it's truly 220v then I should have full power on the back side of these breakers you are referring to? That would be so FANTASTIC!
> >
> >Thanks again,
> >
> >Dru and Debora
> >Corpus Christi, TX
> >1983 FC 35 RB
> >Steady Gittin' It!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Dru:
> >
> >Have you checked the breakers located in the gen set compartment on the curb side wall? Re sent those, then if no power, remove the cover and check voltage on both sides of bother breakers to be sure it is not a faulty breaker.
> >
> >Safe travels,
> >
> >Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> >'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
>Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> >At 10:18 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >Hellos All!
> >>
> >>Just got back fro a mini trip and lost one leg of my generator. When I fired it up and transferred from shore to gen, the Perkins took a little dip in rpm and I lost the curb side power. I didn't find any circuit breakers tripped and the volt meter on the info panel shows no voltage on that one side. Are there other protections that could have tripped or am I into major repairs?
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks!
> >>
> >>Dru and Debora
> >>Corpus Christi, TX
> >>1983 FC 35 RB
> >>Steady Gittin' It!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> Safe travels,
>
> Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> '84 FC 35 "Ruff
Diamond"
> Duncan, Oklahoma
>

[freewill2008]

I totally agree with Greg about being sure there is not an overload in the bus
causing the tripped breaker - but it is worth noting that AC breakers can run a
bit hot even when the electrical load is within the rating. As a result, the
breaker can "break down" after 26 years and should probably be replaced.

The same is true of the breakers in the panel of your RV or your house. They
don't last forever.

Finally, a breaker is designed to support a continuous load that is 80% of the
rating, so a 50 amp breaker should only be loaded to 40 amps, etc.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "gregoryoconnor" wrote:
>
> a blown fuse and circuit breaker are usually the result of a problem and not
the problem.
>
> I once viewed a consumer watchdog news sting where a woman car owner went
into a auto repair shop for 'windshield wiper not turning on repair'. several
shops replaced the news team installed bad fuse and sent her on her way. One
shop spent a methodical 3/4 hour trying to figure why the fuses blew respecting
the customers safety in probable traffic during a downpour which is the test
period for repair. I felt the shops in error were those only replacing the fuse
and not researching or finding the problem.
>
> One issue I know very little about is lost neutral and the return of ac
current thru the other leg????????? A heat cooked breaker can be the genset
ambient environment or the tripping damage of the breaker doing its job
>
> One other issue is the bonding of a genset made ac within a motorhome. I can
only assume that it is to be onboard bonded unlike onboard bonding or shorepower
ac.
>
> Just flipping a switch and repowering 50 amps without finding the problem can
cause 49 amp of hurt when a repeat of the event that caused the trip shows
different result.
>
> I test my swimmingpool light with a tennisball. It's
> difficult to get a dog to turn on the toaster in my bus so I would look for
the true problem and not the quick fix.
>
> Greg ofTim&Greg
> 94ptca
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, dru penland wrote:
> >
> > THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
> >
> > It's the breaker in the generator house. It won't close the circuit. Looks a
little toasty, as well.
> >
> > Your too good and too kind with your knowledge. Thanks again!
> > Dru and Debora
> > Corpus Christi, TX
> > 1983 FC 35 RB
> > Steady Gittin' It!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Ralph Fullenwider
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 2:00:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Perkins Gen-set
> >
> >
> > Oh, and reset the lower left GFI breaker in the main panel in the closet, if
it is leg 2.
> >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
> > At 11:52 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you so much, Ralph! I can't wait for the clock to 4 so I can go check
it out. I felt sick when this happened to me. I just felt $$$ coming out of my
pocket. It appears from the wiring schematic that the fan motor for the
generator radiator is 220v. It's running like it always has. If it's truly 220v
then I should have full power on the back side of these breakers you are
referring to? That would be so FANTASTIC!
> > >
> > >Thanks again,
> > >
> > >Dru and Debora
> > >Corpus Christi, TX
> > >1983 FC 35 RB
> > >Steady Gittin' It!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Dru:
> > >
> > >Have you checked the breakers located in the gen set compartment on the
curb side wall? Re sent those, then if no power, remove the cover and check
voltage on both sides of bother breakers to be sure it is not a faulty breaker.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > >Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> > >'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > >Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > >At 10:18 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Hellos All!
> > >>
> > >>Just got back fro a mini trip and lost one leg of my generator. When I
fired it up and transferred from shore to gen, the Perkins took a little dip in
rpm and I lost the curb side power. I didn't find any circuit breakers tripped
and the volt meter on the info panel shows no voltage on that one side. Are
there other protections that could have tripped or am I into major repairs?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Thanks!
> > >>
> > >>Dru and Debora
> > >>Corpus Christi, TX
> > >>1983 FC 35 RB
> > >>Steady Gittin' It!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > Safe travels,
> >
> > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > Duncan, Oklahoma
> >
>

[freewill2008]

Thank you YAHOO. This is yesterday's news.
- Bob
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "freewill2008" wrote:
>
> I totally agree with Greg about being sure there is not an overload in the bus
causing the tripped breaker - but it is worth noting that AC breakers can run a
bit hot even when the electrical load is within the rating. As a result, the
breaker can "break down" after 26 years and should probably be replaced.
>
> The same is true of the breakers in the panel of your RV or your house. They
don't last forever.
>
> Finally, a breaker is designed to support a continuous load that is 80% of the
rating, so a 50 amp breaker should only be loaded to 40 amps, etc.
>
> Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "gregoryoconnor" wrote:
> >
> > a blown fuse and circuit breaker are usually the result of a problem and
not the problem.
> >
> > I once viewed a consumer watchdog news sting where a woman car owner went
into a auto repair shop for 'windshield wiper not turning on repair'. several
shops replaced the news team installed bad fuse and sent her on her way. One
shop spent a methodical 3/4 hour trying to figure why the fuses blew respecting
the customers safety in probable traffic during a downpour which is the test
period for repair. I felt the shops in error were those only replacing the fuse
and not researching or finding the problem.
> >
> > One issue I know very little about is lost neutral and the return of ac
current thru the other leg????????? A heat cooked breaker can be the genset
ambient environment or the tripping damage of the breaker doing its job
> >
> > One other issue is the bonding of a genset made ac within a motorhome. I can
only assume that it is to be onboard bonded unlike onboard bonding or shorepower
ac.
> >
> > Just flipping a switch and repowering 50 amps without finding the problem
can cause 49 amp of hurt when a repeat of the event that caused the trip shows
different result.
> >
> > I test my swimmingpool light with a tennisball. It's
> > difficult to get a dog to turn on the toaster in my bus so I would look for
the true problem and not the quick fix.
> >
> > Greg ofTim&Greg
> > 94ptca
> >
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, dru penland wrote:
> > >
> > > THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
> > >
> > > It's the breaker in the generator house. It won't close the circuit. Looks
a little toasty, as well.
> > >
> > > Your too good and too kind with your knowledge. Thanks again!
> > > Dru and Debora
> > > Corpus Christi, TX
> > > 1983 FC 35 RB
> > > Steady Gittin' It!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Ralph Fullenwider
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 2:00:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Perkins Gen-set
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh, and reset the lower left GFI breaker in the main panel in the closet,
if it is leg 2.
> > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > > Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> > > At 11:52 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you so much, Ralph! I can't wait for the clock to 4 so I can go
check it out. I felt sick when this happened to me. I just felt $$$ coming out
of my pocket. It appears from the wiring schematic that the fan motor for the
generator radiator is 220v. It's running like it always has. If it's truly 220v
then I should have full power on the back side of these breakers you are
referring to? That would be so FANTASTIC!
> > > >
> > > >Thanks again,
> > > >
> > > >Dru and Debora
> > > >Corpus Christi, TX
> > > >1983 FC 35 RB
> > > >Steady Gittin' It!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Dru:
> > > >
> > > >Have you checked the breakers located in the gen set compartment on the
curb side wall? Re sent those, then if no power, remove the cover and check
voltage on both sides of bother breakers to be sure it is not a faulty breaker.
> > > >
> > > > Safe travels,
> > > >
> > > >Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> > > >'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > > >Duncan, Oklahoma
> > > >
> > > >At 10:18 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hellos All!
> > > >>
> > > >>Just got back fro a mini trip and lost one leg of my generator. When I
fired it up and transferred from shore to gen, the Perkins took a little dip in
rpm and I lost the curb side power. I didn't find any circuit breakers tripped
and the volt meter on the info panel shows no voltage on that one side. Are
there other protections that could have tripped or am I into major repairs?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks!
> > > >>
> > > >>Dru and Debora
> > > >>Corpus Christi, TX
> > > >>1983 FC 35 RB
> > > >>Steady Gittin' It!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Safe travels,
> > >
> > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
> > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
> > > Duncan, Oklahoma
> > >
> >
>

[GARY MINKER]

The 80% thing is quite right but breakers do not age. If they are not rotten, cracked or shattered, they are fine. What ages or more correctly weakens their ability to withstand rated trip current is repetitive tripping. This dulls the pawl finger that holds the latch engaged. This is why manufacturers say not to cycle breakers or use them as switches. Gary --- On Fri, 9/11/09, freewill2008 wrote: From: freewill2008 Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins Gen-set To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:04 PM Thank you YAHOO. This is yesterday's news. - Bob --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "freewill2008" wrote: > > I totally agree with Greg about being sure there is not an overload in the bus causing the tripped breaker - but it is worth noting that AC breakers can run a bit hot even when the electrical load is within the rating. As a result, the breaker can "break down" after 26 years and should probably be replaced. > > The same is true of the breakers in the panel of your RV or your house. They don't last forever. > > Finally, a breaker is designed to support a continuous load that is 80% of the rating, so a 50 amp breaker should only be loaded to 40 amps, etc. > > Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "gregoryoconnor" wrote: > > > > a blown fuse and circuit breaker are usually the result of a problem and not the problem. > > > > I once viewed a consumer watchdog news sting where a woman car owner went into a auto repair shop for 'windshield wiper not turning on repair'. several shops replaced the news team installed bad fuse and sent her on her way. One shop spent a methodical 3/4 hour trying to figure why the fuses blew respecting the customers safety in probable traffic during a downpour which is the test period for repair. I felt the shops in error were those only replacing the fuse and not researching or finding the problem. > > > > One issue I know very little about is lost neutral and the return of ac current thru the other leg????????? A heat cooked breaker can be the genset ambient environment or the tripping damage of the breaker doing its job > > > > One other issue is the bonding of a genset made ac within a motorhome. I can only assume that it is to be onboard bonded unlike onboard bonding or shorepower ac. > > > > Just flipping a switch and repowering 50 amps without finding the problem can cause 49 amp of hurt when a repeat of the event that caused the trip shows different result. > > > > I test my swimmingpool light with a tennisball. It's > > difficult to get a dog to turn on the toaster in my bus so I would look for the true problem and not the quick fix. > > > > Greg ofTim&Greg > > 94ptca > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, dru penland wrote: > > > > > > THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! > > > > > > It's the breaker in the generator house.It won't close the circuit. Looks a little toasty, as well. > > > > > > Your too good and too kind with your knowledge.Thanks again! > > > Dru and Debora > > > Corpus Christi, TX > > > 1983 FC 35 RB > > > Steady Gittin' It! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Ralph Fullenwider > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 2:00:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Perkins Gen-set > > > > > > > > > Oh, and reset the lower left GFI breaker in the main panel in the closet, if it is leg 2. > > > > > > Safe travels, > > > > > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider > > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond" > > > Duncan, Oklahoma > > > > > > At 11:52 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much, Ralph! I can't wait for the clock to 4 so I can go check it out. I felt sick when this happened to me. I just felt $$$ coming out of my pocket. It appears from the wiring schematic that the fan motor for the generator radiator is 220v. It's running like it always has. If it's truly 220v then I should have full power on the back side of these breakers you are referring to? That would be so FANTASTIC! > > > > > > > >Thanks again, > > > > > > > >Dru and Debora > > > >Corpus Christi, TX > > > >1983 FC 35 RB > > > >Steady Gittin' It! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dru: > > > > > > > >Have you checked the breakers located in the gen set compartment on the curb side wall? Re sent those, then if no power, remove the cover and check voltage on both sides of bother breakers to be sure it is not a faulty breaker. > > > > > > > >Safe travels, > > > > > > > >Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider > > > >'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond" > > > >Duncan, Oklahoma > > > > > > > >At 10:18 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hellos All! > > > >> > > > >>Just got back fro a mini trip and lost one leg of my generator. When I fired it up and transferred from shore to gen, the Perkins took a little dip in rpm and I lost the curb side power. I didn't find any circuit breakers tripped and the volt meter on the info panel shows no voltage on that one side. Are there other protections that could have tripped or am I into major repairs? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Thanks! > > > >> > > > >>Dru and Debora > > > >>Corpus Christi, TX > > > >>1983 FC 35 RB > > > >>Steady Gittin' It! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Safe travels, > > > > > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider > > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond" > > > Duncan, Oklahoma > > > > > >

[freewill2008]

Gary - I agree with your comment, but would add, based on experience: After
years of running hot, repeated trips, and/or use as a switch, the shape and
value of the bi-metal and spring parts, as well as the pawl, can change. I've
replaced many breakers over the years when current measurement shows they trip
above or below the rated value after years of service.

The worst case: Once lost all the Governor's servers overnight when a 3-phase
breaker tripped. Turned out the breaker had been running hot for some time
because the circuit was continuously loaded to around 85% of rated current.
Later when we separated the breaker handles, the center breaker would trip right
at 85%. This breaker had not been used as a switch, but it had seen too much
heat. The good news - this event resulted in funding for an upgraded server
room electric service.

Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER wrote:
>
> The 80% thing is quite right but breakers do not age. If they are not rotten,
cracked or shattered, they are fine. What ages or more correctly weakens their
ability to withstand rated trip current is repetitive tripping. This dulls the
pawl finger that holds the latch engaged.   This is why manufacturers say not to
cycle breakers or use them as switches.
> Gary
>
> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, freewill2008 wrote:
>
> From: freewill2008
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins Gen-set
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you YAHOO. This is yesterday's news.
>
> - Bob
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "freewill2008"
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I totally agree with Greg about being sure there is not an overload in the
bus causing the tripped breaker - but it is worth noting that AC breakers can
run a bit hot even when the electrical load is within the rating. As a result,
the breaker can "break down" after 26 years and should probably be replaced.
>
> >
>
> > The same is true of the breakers in the panel of your RV or your house.
They don't last forever.
>
> >
>
> > Finally, a breaker is designed to support a continuous load that is 80% of
the rating, so a 50 amp breaker should only be loaded to 40 amps, etc.
>
> >
>
> > Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
>
> >
>
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "gregoryoconnor" wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > a blown fuse and circuit breaker are usually the result of a problem and
not the problem.
>
> > >
>
> > > I once viewed a consumer watchdog news sting where a woman car owner went
into a auto repair shop for 'windshield wiper not turning on repair'. several
shops replaced the news team installed bad fuse and sent her on her way. One
shop spent a methodical 3/4 hour trying to figure why the fuses blew respecting
the customers safety in probable traffic during a downpour which is the test
period for repair. I felt the shops in error were those only replacing the fuse
and not researching or finding the problem.
>
> > >
>
> > > One issue I know very little about is lost neutral and the return of ac
current thru the other leg????????? A heat cooked breaker can be the genset
ambient environment or the tripping damage of the breaker doing its job
>
> > >
>
> > > One other issue is the bonding of a genset made ac within a motorhome. I
can only assume that it is to be onboard bonded unlike onboard bonding or
shorepower ac.
>
> > >
>
> > > Just flipping a switch and repowering 50 amps without finding the problem
can cause 49 amp of hurt when a repeat of the event that caused the trip shows
different result.
>
> > >
>
> > > I test my swimmingpool light with a tennisball. It's
>
> > > difficult to get a dog to turn on the toaster in my bus so I would look
for the true problem and not the quick fix.
>
> > >
>
> > > Greg ofTim&Greg
>
> > > 94ptca
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, dru penland wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
>
> > > >
>
> > > > It's the breaker in the generator house. It won't close the circuit.
Looks a little toasty, as well.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Your too good and too kind with your knowledge. Thanks again!
>
> > > > Dru and Debora
>
> > > > Corpus Christi, TX
>
> > > > 1983 FC 35 RB
>
> > > > Steady Gittin' It!
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> > > > From: Ralph Fullenwider
>
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 2:00:20 PM
>
> > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Perkins Gen-set
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Oh, and reset the lower left GFI breaker in the main panel in the
closet, if it is leg 2.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Safe travels,
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
>
> > > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
> > > > Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> > > >
>
> > > > At 11:52 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Thank you so much, Ralph! I can't wait for the clock to 4 so I can go
check it out. I felt sick when this happened to me. I just felt $$$ coming out
of my pocket. It appears from the wiring schematic that the fan motor for the
generator radiator is 220v. It's running like it always has. If it's truly 220v
then I should have full power on the back side of these breakers you are
referring to? That would be so FANTASTIC!
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Thanks again,
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Dru and Debora
>
> > > > >Corpus Christi, TX
>
> > > > >1983 FC 35 RB
>
> > > > >Steady Gittin' It!
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Dru:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Have you checked the breakers located in the gen set compartment on the
curb side wall? Re sent those, then if no power, remove the cover and check
voltage on both sides of bother breakers to be sure it is not a faulty breaker.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Safe travels,
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
>
> > > > >'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
> > > > >Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >At 10:18 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Hellos All!
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>Just got back fro a mini trip and lost one leg of my generator. When I
fired it up and transferred from shore to gen, the Perkins took a little dip in
rpm and I lost the curb side power. I didn't find any circuit breakers tripped
and the volt meter on the info panel shows no voltage on that one side. Are
there other protections that could have tripped or am I into major repairs?
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>Thanks!
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>Dru and Debora
>
> > > > >>Corpus Christi, TX
>
> > > > >>1983 FC 35 RB
>
> > > > >>Steady Gittin' It!
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > Safe travels,
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
>
> > > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
> > > > Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>

[timvasqz]

Age includes all the environmental results. Old wine and intellect is different
from old mechanical and durability.
Driving my 72year old mother home from mass one Sunday we passed a new tract of
homes in her Retirement Community of SunCity CA. The advertising sign out
front read "55 or Better". While refering to the sign, Mom said " If there is
any truth to that, I am Pretty Darn Good"

Greg of Tim&Greg
94ptca

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, GARY MINKER wrote:
>
> The 80% thing is quite right but breakers do not age. If they are not rotten,
cracked or shattered, they are fine. What ages or more correctly weakens their
ability to withstand rated trip current is repetitive tripping. This dulls the
pawl finger that holds the latch engaged.   This is why manufacturers say not to
cycle breakers or use them as switches.
> Gary
>
> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, freewill2008 wrote:
>
> From: freewill2008
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins Gen-set
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you YAHOO. This is yesterday's news.
>
> - Bob
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "freewill2008"
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I totally agree with Greg about being sure there is not an overload in the
bus causing the tripped breaker - but it is worth noting that AC breakers can
run a bit hot even when the electrical load is within the rating. As a result,
the breaker can "break down" after 26 years and should probably be replaced.
>
> >
>
> > The same is true of the breakers in the panel of your RV or your house.
They don't last forever.
>
> >
>
> > Finally, a breaker is designed to support a continuous load that is 80% of
the rating, so a 50 amp breaker should only be loaded to 40 amps, etc.
>
> >
>
> > Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA
>
> >
>
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "gregoryoconnor" wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > a blown fuse and circuit breaker are usually the result of a problem and
not the problem.
>
> > >
>
> > > I once viewed a consumer watchdog news sting where a woman car owner went
into a auto repair shop for 'windshield wiper not turning on repair'. several
shops replaced the news team installed bad fuse and sent her on her way. One
shop spent a methodical 3/4 hour trying to figure why the fuses blew respecting
the customers safety in probable traffic during a downpour which is the test
period for repair. I felt the shops in error were those only replacing the fuse
and not researching or finding the problem.
>
> > >
>
> > > One issue I know very little about is lost neutral and the return of ac
current thru the other leg????????? A heat cooked breaker can be the genset
ambient environment or the tripping damage of the breaker doing its job
>
> > >
>
> > > One other issue is the bonding of a genset made ac within a motorhome. I
can only assume that it is to be onboard bonded unlike onboard bonding or
shorepower ac.
>
> > >
>
> > > Just flipping a switch and repowering 50 amps without finding the problem
can cause 49 amp of hurt when a repeat of the event that caused the trip shows
different result.
>
> > >
>
> > > I test my swimmingpool light with a tennisball. It's
>
> > > difficult to get a dog to turn on the toaster in my bus so I would look
for the true problem and not the quick fix.
>
> > >
>
> > > Greg ofTim&Greg
>
> > > 94ptca
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, dru penland wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
>
> > > >
>
> > > > It's the breaker in the generator house. It won't close the circuit.
Looks a little toasty, as well.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Your too good and too kind with your knowledge. Thanks again!
>
> > > > Dru and Debora
>
> > > > Corpus Christi, TX
>
> > > > 1983 FC 35 RB
>
> > > > Steady Gittin' It!
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> > > > From: Ralph Fullenwider
>
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 2:00:20 PM
>
> > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Perkins Gen-set
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Oh, and reset the lower left GFI breaker in the main panel in the
closet, if it is leg 2.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Safe travels,
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
>
> > > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
> > > > Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> > > >
>
> > > > At 11:52 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Thank you so much, Ralph! I can't wait for the clock to 4 so I can go
check it out. I felt sick when this happened to me. I just felt $$$ coming out
of my pocket. It appears from the wiring schematic that the fan motor for the
generator radiator is 220v. It's running like it always has. If it's truly 220v
then I should have full power on the back side of these breakers you are
referring to? That would be so FANTASTIC!
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Thanks again,
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Dru and Debora
>
> > > > >Corpus Christi, TX
>
> > > > >1983 FC 35 RB
>
> > > > >Steady Gittin' It!
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Dru:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Have you checked the breakers located in the gen set compartment on the
curb side wall? Re sent those, then if no power, remove the cover and check
voltage on both sides of bother breakers to be sure it is not a faulty breaker.
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Safe travels,
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
>
> > > > >'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
> > > > >Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >At 10:18 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >Hellos All!
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>Just got back fro a mini trip and lost one leg of my generator. When I
fired it up and transferred from shore to gen, the Perkins took a little dip in
rpm and I lost the curb side power. I didn't find any circuit breakers tripped
and the volt meter on the info panel shows no voltage on that one side. Are
there other protections that could have tripped or am I into major repairs?
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>Thanks!
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>Dru and Debora
>
> > > > >>Corpus Christi, TX
>
> > > > >>1983 FC 35 RB
>
> > > > >>Steady Gittin' It!
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >>
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > Safe travels,
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider
>
> > > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond"
>
> > > > Duncan, Oklahoma
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>

[dru penland]

Unfortunately not entirely correct.Breakers do age with use. Fatigue is something that may not be overcome with use. By use, I mean feeding a current through and any current at that rate. Everything electrtical is subject to expansion and contraction and on a molecular level can damage bonds weekening the product use after use. Not to say things can't be made to last a lifetime, like the BB is self. Infact, it's too bad some of the products BB had to use because there just wern't better suppliers is the only thing I really have go wrong on me...like my Bryant breaker. As a professional engineer, I know everythingages with use. Heck, I'm asked to design around that aspect everyday. Make it last long enough to satisfy the customer and he'll come back and buy another one from you. Depending on thedesign, some things age better than others. The breaker used for my application is a Bryantwhich is not the same quality as others.

You all have a FANTASTIC DAY and THANK YOU MR. FULLENWIDER FOR YOUR HELP!

Dru and Debora
Corpus Christi, TX
1983 FC 35 RB
Steady Gittin' It!

---

From: GARY MINKER
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:09:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins Gen-set

The 80% thing is quite right but breakers do not age. If they are not rotten, cracked or shattered, they are fine. What ages or more correctly weakens their ability to withstand rated trip current is repetitive tripping. This dulls the pawl finger that holds the latch engaged. This is why manufacturers say not to cycle breakers or use them as switches. Gary --- On Fri, 9/11/09, freewill2008 comcast.net> wrote: From: freewill2008 Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins Gen-set To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:04 PM Thank you YAHOO. This is yesterday's news. - Bob --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "freewill2008" wrote: > > I totally agree with Greg about being sure there is not an overload in the bus causing the tripped breaker - but it is worth noting that AC breakers can run a bit hot even when the electrical load is within the rating. As a result, the breaker can "break down" after 26 years and should probably be replaced. > > The same is true of the breakers in the panel of your RV or your house. They don't last forever. > > Finally, a breaker is designed to support a continuous load that is 80% of the rating, so a 50 amp breaker should only be loaded to 40 amps, etc. > > Bob Griesel '84 FC31 WLII WA > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "gregoryoconnor" wrote: > > > > a blown fuse and circuit breaker are usually the result of a problem and not the problem. > > > > I once viewed a consumer watchdog news sting where a woman car owner went into a auto repair shop for 'windshield wiper not turning on repair'. several shops replaced the news team installed bad fuse and sent her on her way. One shop spent a methodical 3/4 hour trying to figure why the fuses blew respecting the customers safety in probable traffic during a downpour which is the test period for repair. I felt the shops in error were those only replacing the fuse and not researching or finding the problem. > > > > One issue I know very little about is lost neutral and the return of ac current thru the other leg????????? A heat cooked breaker can be the genset ambient environment or the tripping damage of the breaker doing its job > > > > One other issue is the bonding of a genset made ac within a motorhome. I can only assume that it is to be onboard bonded unlike onboard bonding or shorepower ac. > > > > Just flipping a switch and repowering 50 amps without finding the problem can cause 49 amp of hurt when a repeat of the event that caused the trip shows different result. > > > > I test my swimmingpool light with a tennisball. It's > > difficult to get a dog to turn on the toaster in my bus so I would look for the true problem and not the quick fix. > > > > Greg ofTim&Greg > > 94ptca > > > > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, dru penland wrote: > > > > > > THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! > > > > > > It's the breaker in the generator house.It won't close the circuit. Looks a little toasty, as well. > > > > > > Your too good and too kind with your knowledge.Thanks again! > > > Dru and Debora > > > Corpus Christi, TX > > > 1983 FC 35 RB > > > Steady Gittin' It! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > From: Ralph Fullenwider > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 2:00:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Perkins Gen-set > > > > > > > > > Oh, and reset the lower left GFI breaker in the main panel in the closet, if it is leg 2. > > > > > > Safe travels, > > > > > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider > > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond" > > > Duncan, Oklahoma > > > > > > At 11:52 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much, Ralph! I can't wait for the clock to 4 so I can go check it out. I felt sick when this happened to me. I just felt $$$ coming out of my pocket. It appears from the wiring schematic that the fan motor for the generator radiator is 220v. It's running like it always has. If it's truly 220v then I should have full power on the back side of these breakers you are referring to? That would be so FANTASTIC! > > > > > > > >Thanks again, > > > > > > > >Dru and Debora > > > >Corpus Christi, TX > > > >1983 FC 35 RB > > > >Steady Gittin' It! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dru: > > > > > > > >Have you checked the breakers located in the gen set compartment on the curb side wall? Re sent those, then if no power, remove the cover and check voltage on both sides of bother breakers to be sure it is not a faulty breaker. > > > > > > > >Safe travels, > > > > > > > >Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider > > > >'84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond" > > > >Duncan, Oklahoma > > > > > > > >At 10:18 AM 9/8/2009 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hellos All! > > > >> > > > >>Just got back fro a mini trip and lost one leg of my generator. When I fired it up and transferred from shore to gen, the Perkins took a little dip in rpm and I lost the curb side power. I didn't find any circuit breakers tripped and the volt meter on the info panel shows no voltage on that one side. Are there other protections that could have tripped or am I into major repairs? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Thanks! > > > >> > > > >>Dru and Debora > > > >>Corpus Christi, TX > > > >>1983 FC 35 RB > > > >>Steady Gittin' It! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Safe travels, > > > > > > Ralph & Charolette Fullenwider > > > '84 FC 35 "Ruff Diamond" > > > Duncan, Oklahoma > > > > > >