Transmission Trouble

[oenep]

1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small
vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the
shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one
more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more
carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off
on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from
home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped
home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let
things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there.
Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny
are coming out. I will let you all know what I find.
I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5
months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time.
Oene Pomper

[Stephen Birtles]

Oene
Ebay item 7987395393 is for a MT^650 but this guy lists a mt654
further down in his listing
Stephen 77fc35

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "oenep" wrote:
> 1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small
> vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the
> shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one
> more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more
> carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off
> on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from
> home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped
> home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let
> things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there.
> Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny
> are coming out. I will let you all know what I find.
> I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5
> months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time.
> Oene Pomper

[Neil & Pat LeKander]

Hi Oene, I am really sorry to hear of your transmission problem, coming from
one who has been there. You were indeed fortunate to be able to limp home,
the BB is a sorry sight on the rear of a tow truck. Interesting, my 1985
PT-36 transmission went out 3 years ago at approximately 160k; when it
occurred I assumed (wrong) that the old MT654CR would be relatively easy to
find already rebuilt. Even Allison no longer offers a rebuilt or
remanufactured unit. I ended up having mine rebuilt in Phoenix at no small
cost but at least all is well now. One thing I would suggest is to
negotiate the warranty. What I found out was that virtually all rebuilders
offer a simple one-year warranty which in the case of a motorhome means
absolutely noting. I was able to coax a 3-year warranty out of them to
protect my $5000+ cost.

Just a point of curiosity why pull the engine? It is not necessary for the
transmission job.

Regards and good luck!

Neil
Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide"
http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com
author@...


1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small
vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the
shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one
more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more
carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off
on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from
home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped
home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let
things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there.
Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny
are coming out. I will let you all know what I find.
I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5
months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time.




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[Tom Warner]

I am curious as to why there is so much difference between rebuilding and
installing a MT654CR in a PT and a MT643 in a Forward Control. I am being
quoted approx $1100 for the tranny and $800 for the labor to change it out
a far cry from $5000. Is there that much difference in the labor involved?

tom
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 05:04 PM 7/19/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Oene, I am really sorry to hear of your transmission problem, coming from
>one who has been there. You were indeed fortunate to be able to limp home,
>the BB is a sorry sight on the rear of a tow truck. Interesting, my 1985
>PT-36 transmission went out 3 years ago at approximately 160k; when it
>occurred I assumed (wrong) that the old MT654CR would be relatively easy to
>find already rebuilt. Even Allison no longer offers a rebuilt or
>remanufactured unit. I ended up having mine rebuilt in Phoenix at no small
>cost but at least all is well now. One thing I would suggest is to
>negotiate the warranty. What I found out was that virtually all rebuilders
>offer a simple one-year warranty which in the case of a motorhome means
>absolutely noting. I was able to coax a 3-year warranty out of them to
>protect my $5000+ cost.
>
>Just a point of curiosity why pull the engine? It is not necessary for the
>transmission job.
>
>Regards and good luck!
>
>Neil
>Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide"
>http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com
>author@...
>
>
>1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small
>vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the
>shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one
>more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more
>carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off
>on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from
>home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped
>home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let
>things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there.
>Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny
>are coming out. I will let you all know what I find.
>I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5
>months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time.
>
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[Neil & Pat LeKander]

Hi Tom, definitively all I can tell you about the relative cost differential
is what was told to me by Allison and several rebuilders that I contacted.
They indicated that the 654cr is an entirely different animal in that it is
a 5 speed utilizing close ratio gear and was equipped with a retarder.
Thus, there are virtually none of these in the rebuilders pool resulting in
much higher prices. The $5000 that I spent did include replacing the torque
converter also something that is generally not quoted on initial contact.
The labor to exchange as I recall was near $1500 and amount which is
understandable when watching the process on the PT. Just enjoy your very
reasonable quote.

Regards,

Neil
Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide"
http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com
author@...

I am curious as to why there is so much difference between rebuilding and
installing a MT654CR in a PT and a MT643 in a Forward Control. I am being
quoted approx $1100 for the tranny and $800 for the labor to change it out
a far cry from $5000. Is there that much difference in the labor involved?




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[oenep]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Neil & Pat LeKander
wrote:
> Hi Oene, I am really sorry to hear of your transmission problem,
coming from
> one who has been there. You were indeed fortunate to be able to
limp home,
> the BB is a sorry sight on the rear of a tow truck. Interesting,
my 1985
> PT-36 transmission went out 3 years ago at approximately 160k;
when it
> occurred I assumed (wrong) that the old MT654CR would be
relatively easy to
> find already rebuilt. Even Allison no longer offers a rebuilt or
> remanufactured unit. I ended up having mine rebuilt in Phoenix at
no small
> cost but at least all is well now. One thing I would suggest is to
> negotiate the warranty. What I found out was that virtually all
rebuilders
> offer a simple one-year warranty which in the case of a motorhome
means
> absolutely noting. I was able to coax a 3-year warranty out of
them to
> protect my $5000+ cost.
>
> Just a point of curiosity why pull the engine? It is not necessary
for the
> transmission job.
>
> Regards and good luck!
>
> Neil
> Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide"
> http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com
> author@r...
>
>
> 1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small
> vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at
the
> shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at
one
> more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more
> carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled
off
> on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from
> home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I
limped
> home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I
let
> things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in
there.
> Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and
tranny
> are coming out. I will let you all know what I find.
> I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5
> months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time.
>
> I store the Bird in my garage at home and am building a dolly
(about a $100)to roll the engine and tranny right out the back. I
figure at this point why not check everything out.
Oene Pomper
>
>
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[Scott Peatross]

Tom, $1100 for a rebuilt MT643 is a gift. At that price, I would make darn sure
the rebuilder is reputable.

Scott Peatross
'87PT40


Tom Warner wrote:
I am curious as to why there is so much difference between rebuilding and
installing a MT654CR in a PT and a MT643 in a Forward Control. I am being
quoted approx $1100 for the tranny and $800 for the labor to change it out
a far cry from $5000. Is there that much difference in the labor involved?

tom
1982 FC35
Vernon Center,NY

At 05:04 PM 7/19/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Oene, I am really sorry to hear of your transmission problem, coming from
>one who has been there. You were indeed fortunate to be able to limp home,
>the BB is a sorry sight on the rear of a tow truck. Interesting, my 1985
>PT-36 transmission went out 3 years ago at approximately 160k; when it
>occurred I assumed (wrong) that the old MT654CR would be relatively easy to
>find already rebuilt. Even Allison no longer offers a rebuilt or
>remanufactured unit. I ended up having mine rebuilt in Phoenix at no small
>cost but at least all is well now. One thing I would suggest is to
>negotiate the warranty. What I found out was that virtually all rebuilders
>offer a simple one-year warranty which in the case of a motorhome means
>absolutely noting. I was able to coax a 3-year warranty out of them to
>protect my $5000+ cost.
>
>Just a point of curiosity why pull the engine? It is not necessary for the
>transmission job.
>
>Regards and good luck!
>
>Neil
>Author, "The RVer's Ultimate Survival Guide"
>http://www.rvsafetyinfo.com
>author@...
>
>
>1985 PT40 140,000 miles 6V92 w/MT654. On the way home from a small
>vacation I accelerated from a stop light wound up and slipped at the
>shift point into second. I say that did not feel right. Stopped at one
>more light before the e-way and this time accelerated a bitt more
>carefully, 1st slipp 2nd,3rd,4th and then no 5th at all. I pulled off
>on the shoulder and checked everything, all fine. So 80 miles from
>home, this is going to get expensive any way I look at it, so I limped
>home with the gear selctor in 4th, tranny temp. running at 205. I let
>things cool down and dropped the pan and found metal shavings in there.
>Looks like I have a good size project in front of me. Motor and tranny
>are coming out. I will let you all know what I find.
>I changed all fluids and filters before we left for New Orleans 5
>months and 3,000 miles ago with no inicators at that time.
>
>
>
>
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