Perkins cold start

[Doug Engel]

Ernie, Just a note to you and all, and not an attempt to start a new thread.
Almost all anit-gel addatives basically WILL NOT disperse in cold diesel. I do
not know the temp at which this starts to occur, but most addatives are thicker
than diesel, about like motor oil. In cold fuel, the stuff will fall to the
bottom of the tank and do nothing. Adding it while fueling and then driving in
colder temps is the only way to get in mixed up. Additionally, more is not
better, go by the directions of the specific manufacturer. My Perkins has 1800
hrs on her and while it runs great, it smokes, so I assume she's a little tired.
The note about go ahead and get the starting fluid out is good advice, as well
as the directions for use (you don't want to fill your cylinders with ether and
then fire up the glow plugs), but try to warm the oil up if possible before you
shoot the juice to her. Good Luck, Doug

erniecarpet@... wrote: Luckily, I put a gallon of Power Service
additive in about 2 months ago.
We'll see how things go this afternoon after work. Thanks,

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana

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[Mike Hohnstein]

You're right about some additives falling to the bottom of the tank but wrong
about doing nothing. Clogged a tank sock in a 5.7 GM sedan back in the day.
Quite a project to get things "flowing" again.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Engel
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins cold start


Ernie, Just a note to you and all, and not an attempt to start a new thread.
Almost all anit-gel addatives basically WILL NOT disperse in cold diesel. I do
not know the temp at which this starts to occur, but most addatives are thicker
than diesel, about like motor oil. In cold fuel, the stuff will fall to the
bottom of the tank and do nothing. Adding it while fueling and then driving in
colder temps is the only way to get in mixed up. Additionally, more is not
better, go by the directions of the specific manufacturer. My Perkins has 1800
hrs on her and while it runs great, it smokes, so I assume she's a little tired.
The note about go ahead and get the starting fluid out is good advice, as well
as the directions for use (you don't want to fill your cylinders with ether and
then fire up the glow plugs), but try to warm the oil up if possible before you
shoot the juice to her. Good Luck, Doug

erniecarpet@... wrote: Luckily, I put a gallon of Power Service additive
in about 2 months ago.
We'll see how things go this afternoon after work. Thanks,

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana

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Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO. 1981 FC35SB "Pokey"

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[erniecarpet@...]

I had tried to glow the plugs for a short time. I didn't realize that these
plugs take longer. My thanks to Tom Warner for giving my the time to glow these
plugs and to tie the battery banks together. Right now, both engines are
doing quite nicely. Time to get some #1 fuel for my impending trip Fri afternoon
south.
The Perkins caught the 4 try with the glow plugs. The outside temps overnite
were 5 above and the temp this afternoon is 16. Fortuately- the bus faces the
sun and this will be my first attempt at driving on hardpacked snow. Another
fortunate thing- the snow is only in town- not out on the highway- whew!!!
thanks to all for your sugestions- Texas here we come!!

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana--not for long!!



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[one_dusty_hoot]

Mike,
Charcoal must be the modern way. First time I saw something
like this was a fellow stoking a hot fire of sticks under
a Cat dozer, though he had gone over the edge.

Few years ago I picked up a magnetic heater, sticks right
to the bottom of an oil pan, plug it into 120 extension
cord, worked great, I think I drove off and lost it.

I bought it in Washington State, was in my luggage to fly to
South Carolina. I just knew when the X-ray machine hit that
with plug, wiring, steel, the bomb squad would be called,
I don't believe my luggage was ever opened. Assurance???
Bob J, Greenville, SC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hohnstein"
<MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote:
>
> You can't beat the old charcoal fire in a drain pan under the
engine for cold start.
> MH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ernest Ekberg
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 9:16 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Perkins cold start
>
>
> The temps are supposed to be - 0 here. i have tried to start my
Perkins
> by depressing the stop button- to activate the glow plugs. this
seems
> to make the voltage drop to below 10 and she will crank, smoke,
but not
> catch and start- any clues? Ernie- 83PT40 in dismal cold Montana-
> getting ready to head home
>
>
>
>
>
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[patticake592000]

-Ernie have you been in this situation before? I am really getting
worried about you coming down the passes, remember I was just there in
September. I know I am excitable but add snow and ice and I would be
doubling up the drug intake for heart problems.Next time pile some hay
bales around the bottom of that rig. Keeps the cold air out some. Just
a La. thing. I guess that is the Mother Hen just concerned about one
of the little roosters in the flock. Hugs Patticake

90PT 40ftWB Jus Chillin (Mardi Gras Circus Wagon).

[Doug Engel]

Right you are, goo down by the pick up is never a good thing. Doug

Mike Hohnstein <MHOHNSTEIN@...> wrote: You're right about some
additives falling to the bottom of the tank but wrong about doing nothing.
Clogged a tank sock in a 5.7 GM sedan back in the day. Quite a project to get
things "flowing" again.
MH
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Engel
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins cold start

Ernie, Just a note to you and all, and not an attempt to start a new thread.
Almost all anit-gel addatives basically WILL NOT disperse in cold diesel. I do
not know the temp at which this starts to occur, but most addatives are thicker
than diesel, about like motor oil. In cold fuel, the stuff will fall to the
bottom of the tank and do nothing. Adding it while fueling and then driving in
colder temps is the only way to get in mixed up. Additionally, more is not
better, go by the directions of the specific manufacturer. My Perkins has 1800
hrs on her and while it runs great, it smokes, so I assume she's a little tired.
The note about go ahead and get the starting fluid out is good advice, as well
as the directions for use (you don't want to fill your cylinders with ether and
then fire up the glow plugs), but try to warm the oil up if possible before you
shoot the juice to her. Good Luck, Doug

erniecarpet@... wrote: Luckily, I put a gallon of Power Service additive in
about 2 months ago.
We'll see how things go this afternoon after work. Thanks,

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana

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[erniecarpet@...]

In a message dated 11/29/2006 3:54:27 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
jwasnewski@... writes:

If you have a retarder consider not using it in the snow.


i wish i had my Jake brake working- hasn't worked since before I had my
turbo fixed- and that dreaded oil leak I had last May. I can handle these
mountains-- one more time.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Montana



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[erniecarpet@...]

Hi Terry- took the bird out and fueled up at the local rip-off truck stop.
Man, fuel is high here in Montana.The coach ran great, didn't get up to
operating temp but good enough for all the chassis heaters to roast us. Those
are
the best things since--box wine?

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston, Montana



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[Leroy Eckert]

Ernie:
One thought. If you have a retarder consider not using it in the snow.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40 "Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL





----- Original Message -----
From: erniecarpet@...
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Perkins cold start


I had tried to glow the plugs for a short time. I didn't realize that these
plugs take longer. My thanks to Tom Warner for giving my the time to glow
these
plugs and to tie the battery banks together. Right now, both engines are
doing quite nicely. Time to get some #1 fuel for my impending trip Fri
afternoon
south.
The Perkins caught the 4 try with the glow plugs. The outside temps overnite
were 5 above and the temp this afternoon is 16. Fortuately- the bus faces the
sun and this will be my first attempt at driving on hardpacked snow. Another
fortunate thing- the snow is only in town- not out on the highway- whew!!!
thanks to all for your sugestions- Texas here we come!!

Ernie Ekberg
83 PT40
Livingston, Montana--not for long!!

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[Gregory OConnor]

When I use ether to make a cold start, I spray it on a rag and put the
rag at the intake. A wet spray that gets to the turbo dries out the
seals in the turbo. I have use gasoline on a rag also. Glow plugs fail
often and when they are in series the lines between also lose ability.
Its easy to test the plugs with a Raytec gun. In a pinch and with a low
battery I have disconnected all but one glow plug.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomoland