Hot water and boondocking

[erniecarpet@...]

It sure was a relatively easy build when the factory did all our plumbing.
After they installed the bed, cabinets, closets- then it became a chore to work
on. I'll probably replace the street side plumbing with pex when I get back
to Montana next year. At least I have a few months to either think about that
project- or just forget about it.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Weatherford, tx



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[Jeff Miller]

I'm used to the household system which has a return line to the
cold/supply side of the water heater, with a check valve, and
convection keeps the hot water circulating throughout the system. A
manual valve in the return is also employed to restrict flow. Works
great in a household water heater, whether it would also work in the
relatively short RV-size tank I don't know.

- Jeff Miller
in Holland, MI


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
wrote:
>
> We took a 4 day trip and had only power available. I left with a
> full water tank and mostly empty grey and black tanks. By the last
> day I had about 1/4 tank of water left. I began to think about
ways
> to conserve water to streach the time we could stay. One thought
was
> the waste of water waiting for the sink or shower hot water to
come
> up to temperature. It was cold outside so it took a while, wasted
> water and holding tank capacity.
>
> In hotels/motels/large buildings they use a circulating system
> that keeps the hot water supply hot so you don't wait for hot
water
> at the tub or tap. It would seem that this could be done in an RV
by
> adding a return line from the far end of the hot water system, a
one-
> way valve and a pump. Then all you would need to do is activate
the
> pump for a minute or so to charge the system, and then start the
> shower. It would conserve the water supply as well as the grey
tank
> space.
>
> Has anyone seen this kind of system in use?
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
>

[Gary Miller]

An interesting thought for water conservation but, since the copper
hot water pipes are bundled next to the copper cold water pipes, then
wrapped in heat tape, you'll have to find a way to keep your cold
water cold once you start keeping your hot water hot...

With every yin, there's a yang...

Gary Miller
83 FC 33
Milwaukee area

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gardner Yeaw"
wrote:
>
> We took a 4 day trip and had only power available. I left with a
> full water tank and mostly empty grey and black tanks. By the last
> day I had about 1/4 tank of water left. I began to think about ways
> to conserve water to streach the time we could stay. One thought
was
> the waste of water waiting for the sink or shower hot water to come
> up to temperature. It was cold outside so it took a while, wasted
> water and holding tank capacity.
>
> In hotels/motels/large buildings they use a circulating system
> that keeps the hot water supply hot so you don't wait for hot water
> at the tub or tap. It would seem that this could be done in an RV
by
> adding a return line from the far end of the hot water system, a
one-
> way valve and a pump. Then all you would need to do is activate the
> pump for a minute or so to charge the system, and then start the
> shower. It would conserve the water supply as well as the grey tank
> space.
>
> Has anyone seen this kind of system in use?
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
>

[Bill]

Hi all:
Back onto this topic. I was doing some browsing of the net, and
Lucas Willemese (did I spell that right?) had a gizmo in his coach.
Well I am not sure if this was the item or not, but it is called
a "chillipepper". Just the thing that we should have on our coaches.
Look it up and let me know what you think.
http://www.chilipepperapp.com/hwcs.htm

Bill
84FC35SB
Terrace, B.C.


I began to think about
> ways
> > to conserve water to streach the time we could stay. One thought
> was
> > the waste of water waiting for the sink or shower hot water to
> come
> > up to temperature. It was cold outside so it took a while, wasted
> > water and holding tank capacity.
> >
> > In hotels/motels/large buildings they use a circulating system
> > that keeps the hot water supply hot so you don't wait for hot
> water
> > at the tub or tap. It would seem that this could be done in an RV
> by
> > adding a return line from the far end of the hot water system, a
> one-
> > way valve and a pump. Then all you would need to do is activate
> the
> > pump for a minute or so to charge the system, and then start the
> > shower. It would conserve the water supply as well as the grey
> tank
> > space.
> >
> > Has anyone seen this kind of system in use?
> >
> > Gardner
> > 78FC33
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[Gardner Yeaw]

Bill,
I don't know if my previous post made it, I got a bad message, so
here I go again.

Nice find on the Chilipepper. I may even install one in my house.
I need to install a bypass for the hot water heater in the Bird for
winterization, so it might be a good time to install one of these as
well.

I had to replace the ice maker module in the U-line, and the
microwave krumped, so I don't think the Chilipepper will be on the
imediate horizon.

I was thinking I might paint the Bird Visa blue with Red ink trim.
What do you think?

Gardner
78FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill"
wrote:
>
> Hi all:
> Back onto this topic. I was doing some browsing of the net, and
> Lucas Willemese (did I spell that right?) had a gizmo in his
coach.
> Well I am not sure if this was the item or not, but it is called
> a "chillipepper". Just the thing that we should have on our
coaches.
> Look it up and let me know what you think.
> http://www.chilipepperapp.com/hwcs.htm
>
> Bill
> 84FC35SB
> Terrace, B.C.
>
>
> I began to think about
> > ways
> > > to conserve water to streach the time we could stay. One
thought
> > was
> > > the waste of water waiting for the sink or shower hot water to
> > come
> > > up to temperature. It was cold outside so it took a while,
wasted
> > > water and holding tank capacity.
> > >
> > > In hotels/motels/large buildings they use a circulating system
> > > that keeps the hot water supply hot so you don't wait for hot
> > water
> > > at the tub or tap. It would seem that this could be done in an
RV
> > by
> > > adding a return line from the far end of the hot water system,
a
> > one-
> > > way valve and a pump. Then all you would need to do is
activate
> > the
> > > pump for a minute or so to charge the system, and then start
the
> > > shower. It would conserve the water supply as well as the grey
> > tank
> > > space.
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen this kind of system in use?
> > >
> > > Gardner
> > > 78FC33
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

[Pete Masterson]

Hey, a 'bird is better than a boat. Boats sink. (Well, a 'bird would,
too, but they're usually not _intentionally_ put into water.)

Pete Masterson
aeonix1@...
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42'
El Sobrante, CA




On Dec 23, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Gardner Yeaw wrote:

> <snip>
>
> I was thinking I might paint the Bird Visa blue with Red ink trim.
> What do you think?



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Gregory OConnor]

Bill, Lucas and Linda have all the cool stuff. The little green toad
was the best.

Years back California had a water shortage and one method we used to
save the resource and get the hotwater to the shower was to simply
brush your teeth with the cold water that comes out of the hot tap at
the sink prior to hitting the shower (won't work if you clean them in
a cup). Chillipepper is cool and I can see where it is a must have on
a Yacht like the Willemese have.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill"
wrote:
>
> Hi all:
> Back onto this topic. I was doing some browsing of the net, and
> Lucas Willemese (did I spell that right?) had a gizmo in his
coach.
> Well I am not sure if this was the item or not, but it is called
> a "chillipepper". Just the thing that we should have on our
coaches.
> Look it up and let me know what you think.
> http://www.chilipepperapp.com/hwcs.htm
>
> Bill
> 84FC35SB
> Terrace, B.C.
>
>
> I began to think about
> > ways
> > > to conserve water to streach the time we could stay. One
thought
> > was
> > > the waste of water waiting for the sink or shower hot water to
> > come
> > > up to temperature. It was cold outside so it took a while,
wasted
> > > water and holding tank capacity.
> > >
> > > In hotels/motels/large buildings they use a circulating system
> > > that keeps the hot water supply hot so you don't wait for hot
> > water
> > > at the tub or tap. It would seem that this could be done in an
RV
> > by
> > > adding a return line from the far end of the hot water system,
a
> > one-
> > > way valve and a pump. Then all you would need to do is activate
> > the
> > > pump for a minute or so to charge the system, and then start
the
> > > shower. It would conserve the water supply as well as the grey
> > tank
> > > space.
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen this kind of system in use?
> > >
> > > Gardner
> > > 78FC33
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Greg:
You right, they had all sorts of cool stuff, and that little green toad was
awesome. For a little car, it was quite roomy in the back seat LOL.
And you right about the cup thing too - hehe.

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada




----- Original Message ----
From: Gregory OConnor
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 10:39:16 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Hot water and boondocking

Bill, Lucas and Linda have all the cool stuff. The little green toad
was the best.

Years back California had a water shortage and one method we used to
save the resource and get the hotwater to the shower was to simply
brush your teeth with the cold water that comes out of the hot tap at
the sink prior to hitting the shower (won't work if you clean them in
a cup). Chillipepper is cool and I can see where it is a must have on
a Yacht like the Willemese have.
GregoryO'Connor
94ptRomolandCa
--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill"
wrote:
>
> Hi all:
> Back onto this topic. I was doing some browsing of the net, and
> Lucas Willemese (did I spell that right?) had a gizmo in his
coach.
> Well I am not sure if this was the item or not, but it is called
> a "chillipepper" . Just the thing that we should have on our
coaches.
> Look it up and let me know what you think.
> http://www.chilipep perapp.com/ hwcs.htm
>
> Bill
> 84FC35SB
> Terrace, B.C.
>
>
> I began to think about
> > ways
> > > to conserve water to streach the time we could stay. One
thought
> > was
> > > the waste of water waiting for the sink or shower hot water to
> > come
> > > up to temperature. It was cold outside so it took a while,
wasted
> > > water and holding tank capacity.
> > >
> > > In hotels/motels/ large buildings they use a circulating system
> > > that keeps the hot water supply hot so you don't wait for hot
> > water
> > > at the tub or tap. It would seem that this could be done in an
RV
> > by
> > > adding a return line from the far end of the hot water system,
a
> > one-
> > > way valve and a pump. Then all you would need to do is activate
> > the
> > > pump for a minute or so to charge the system, and then start
the
> > > shower. It would conserve the water supply as well as the grey
> > tank
> > > space.
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen this kind of system in use?
> > >
> > > Gardner
> > > 78FC33
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>




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[Wilhelmus Schreurs]

Gardner:
Have you tried putting your bus pic into a pic gallery and painting it there
before you actually paint it?
I liked the color of one of the FC's, it was white, blue and red, and my wife
hated it, hmmm it is all in the eye of the beholder LOL

Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
Terrace, B.C. Canada




----- Original Message ----
From: Gardner Yeaw
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 5:39:37 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Hot water and boondocking

Bill,
I don't know if my previous post made it, I got a bad message, so
here I go again.

Nice find on the Chilipepper. I may even install one in my house.
I need to install a bypass for the hot water heater in the Bird for
winterization, so it might be a good time to install one of these as
well.

I had to replace the ice maker module in the U-line, and the
microwave krumped, so I don't think the Chilipepper will be on the
imediate horizon.

I was thinking I might paint the Bird Visa blue with Red ink trim.
What do you think?

Gardner
78FC33

--- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill"
wrote:
>
> Hi all:
> Back onto this topic. I was doing some browsing of the net, and
> Lucas Willemese (did I spell that right?) had a gizmo in his
coach.
> Well I am not sure if this was the item or not, but it is called
> a "chillipepper" . Just the thing that we should have on our
coaches.
> Look it up and let me know what you think.
> http://www.chilipep perapp.com/ hwcs.htm
>
> Bill
> 84FC35SB
> Terrace, B.C.
>
>
> I began to think about
> > ways
> > > to conserve water to streach the time we could stay. One
thought
> > was
> > > the waste of water waiting for the sink or shower hot water to
> > come
> > > up to temperature. It was cold outside so it took a while,
wasted
> > > water and holding tank capacity.
> > >
> > > In hotels/motels/ large buildings they use a circulating system
> > > that keeps the hot water supply hot so you don't wait for hot
> > water
> > > at the tub or tap. It would seem that this could be done in an
RV
> > by
> > > adding a return line from the far end of the hot water system,
a
> > one-
> > > way valve and a pump. Then all you would need to do is
activate
> > the
> > > pump for a minute or so to charge the system, and then start
the
> > > shower. It would conserve the water supply as well as the grey
> > tank
> > > space.
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen this kind of system in use?
> > >
> > > Gardner
> > > 78FC33
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>




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[Gardner Yeaw]

Bill,
My wife is a photographer and well versed in Photoshop. When I
get ready to actually paint, that is where we will start. But for
now, I have lots of things to do before I start to get ready for the
painting stage.

Gardner
78FC33


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Wilhelmus Schreurs
wrote:
>
> Gardner:
> Have you tried putting your bus pic into a pic gallery and
painting it there before you actually paint it?
> I liked the color of one of the FC's, it was white, blue and red,
and my wife hated it, hmmm it is all in the eye of the beholder LOL
>
> Bill 84 FC 35 SB "$quanderlodge"
> Terrace, B.C. Canada
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gardner Yeaw
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 5:39:37 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Hot water and boondocking
>
> Bill,
> I don't know if my previous post made it, I got a bad message, so
> here I go again.
>
> Nice find on the Chilipepper. I may even install one in my house.
> I need to install a bypass for the hot water heater in the Bird
for
> winterization, so it might be a good time to install one of these
as
> well.
>
> I had to replace the ice maker module in the U-line, and the
> microwave krumped, so I don't think the Chilipepper will be on the
> imediate horizon.
>
> I was thinking I might paint the Bird Visa blue with Red ink trim.
> What do you think?
>
> Gardner
> 78FC33
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill"

> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all:
> > Back onto this topic. I was doing some browsing of the net, and
> > Lucas Willemese (did I spell that right?) had a gizmo in his
> coach.
> > Well I am not sure if this was the item or not, but it is called
> > a "chillipepper" . Just the thing that we should have on our
> coaches.
> > Look it up and let me know what you think.
> > http://www.chilipep perapp.com/ hwcs.htm
> >
> > Bill
> > 84FC35SB
> > Terrace, B.C.
> >
> >
> > I began to think about
> > > ways
> > > > to conserve water to streach the time we could stay. One
> thought
> > > was
> > > > the waste of water waiting for the sink or shower hot water
to
> > > come
> > > > up to temperature. It was cold outside so it took a while,
> wasted
> > > > water and holding tank capacity.
> > > >
> > > > In hotels/motels/ large buildings they use a circulating
system
> > > > that keeps the hot water supply hot so you don't wait for
hot
> > > water
> > > > at the tub or tap. It would seem that this could be done in
an
> RV
> > > by
> > > > adding a return line from the far end of the hot water
system,
> a
> > > one-
> > > > way valve and a pump. Then all you would need to do is
> activate
> > > the
> > > > pump for a minute or so to charge the system, and then start
> the
> > > > shower. It would conserve the water supply as well as the
grey
> > > tank
> > > > space.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone seen this kind of system in use?
> > > >
> > > > Gardner
> > > > 78FC33
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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