Propane System Issue

[David Hanvy]

Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank filled at a
FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few days.
Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas flow
to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid
activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the propane
tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the pressure
regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as it
should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears to
have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any suggestions
or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, I
would appreciate your input.

David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX

[ernieekberg@...>]

David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had been some
lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the reset button,
everything worked. Also, could the attendant that filled your tank, manually
shut the main valve off?
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston,Montana
----- Original Message -----
From: David Hanvy
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue


Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank filled at a
FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few days.
Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas flow
to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid
activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the propane
tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the pressure
regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as it
should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears to
have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any suggestions
or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve, I
would appreciate your input.

David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Hanvy]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas
detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is open.
(I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the sights.)
David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX

> David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had been
some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the
reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that
filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off?
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston,Montana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Hanvy
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue
>
>
> Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank
filled at a
> FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few
days.
> Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas
flow
> to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid
> activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the
propane
> tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the
pressure
> regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as
it
> should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears
to
> have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any
suggestions
> or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve,
I
> would appreciate your input.
>
> David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[pattypape]

Dave,
The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also controlls
the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the
electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead
storage near the load center.

Bill 88 FC

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas
> detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is open.
> (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the sights.)
> David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
>
> > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had
been
> some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the
> reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that
> filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off?
> > Ernie Ekberg
> > 83PT40
> > Livingston,Montana
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Hanvy
> > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
> > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue
> >
> >
> > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank
> filled at a
> > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a
few
> days.
> > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no
gas
> flow
> > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid
> > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the
> propane
> > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the
> pressure
> > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full
as
> it
> > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears
> to
> > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any
> suggestions
> > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve,
> I
> > would appreciate your input.
> >
> > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

[ernieekberg@...>]

David- lots to see and do here in Montana. cheap campground at the fairgrounds
here in Livingston
Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Livingston,Montana- 75 feet away from the Yellowstone river
----- Original Message -----
From: David Hanvy
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Propane System Issue


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas
detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is open.
(I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the sights.)
David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX

> David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had been
some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the
reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that
filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off?
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Livingston,Montana
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Hanvy
> To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
> Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue
>
>
> Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank
filled at a
> FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a few
days.
> Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no gas
flow
> to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a solenoid
> activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that the
propane
> tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the
pressure
> regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full as
it
> should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator appears
to
> have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any
suggestions
> or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off valve,
I
> would appreciate your input.
>
> David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Hanvy]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
wrote:
>Bill, Thanks for that info. I had already tried turning the
electronic master switch off and back on. May I conclude from your
response that if the LP detector has totally failed, that if will
activate the solenoid shut-down switch ?

David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> >
> Dave,
> The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also controlls
> the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the
> electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead
> storage near the load center.
>
> Bill 88 FC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas
> > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is
open.
> > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the
sights.)
> > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> >
> > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had
> been
> > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit
the
> > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that
> > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off?
> > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > 83PT40
> > > Livingston,Montana
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David Hanvy
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue
> > >
> > >
> > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank
> > filled at a
> > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a
> few
> > days.
> > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no
> gas
> > flow
> > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a
solenoid
> > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that
the
> > propane
> > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the
> > pressure
> > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4
full
> as
> > it
> > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator
appears
> > to
> > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any
> > suggestions
> > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off
valve,
> > I
> > > would appreciate your input.
> > >
> > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

[Gregory OConnor]

Dave, dont rule out that the auto shutdown feature is working and
there is infact a leak. I learned that the manual tank valve must be
fully opened or fully closed to seat proper. My 94 needs 110
electric via inverter or other source for the stove to light. I dont
know if the dash mounted AT switch will shut down the gas but it is
worth a look. Hope it does not stand in the way of your trip
Gregory O'Connor
94ptRomolandCA

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
wrote:
>
>
>
> Dave,
> The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also controlls
> the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the
> electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead
> storage near the load center.
>
> Bill 88 FC
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas
> > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is
open.
> > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the
sights.)
> > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> >
> > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had
> been
> > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit the
> > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant that
> > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off?
> > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > 83PT40
> > > Livingston,Montana
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David Hanvy
> > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
> > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue
> > >
> > >
> > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank
> > filled at a
> > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for a
> few
> > days.
> > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have no
> gas
> > flow
> > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a
solenoid
> > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that
the
> > propane
> > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged the
> > pressure
> > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4 full
> as
> > it
> > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator
appears
> > to
> > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any
> > suggestions
> > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off
valve,
> > I
> > > would appreciate your input.
> > >
> > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

[pattypape]

Hi Dave,

I am mostly familiar with our 88 FC, But some of the electrical
drawings that I have do refer to a PT. As you probably already know
Propane is dangerous and can explode and kill. And your tank is full.
So if you want to continue, Check that the master shut off and the
electronic master switches are turned ON.

I have one, two stage pressure regulator, some BB's have more than
one regulator, so check the propane at all appliances, such as:
stove, all heaters and refrig etc. If all propane is shut off ,
again check the main manual shut off valve. Rotate it again ON/OFF/On.

If still no propane, I would then suspect the auto propane detector
shut down. It should have a test button, with a light and an alarm.
Find the shut off solenoid. It is easy to hear and feel the magnetic
solenoid activate when the power is applied to the propane detector.
If you decide that the auto shut off is defective.
You could try to apply 12volt DC directly to the terminals of the
solenoid. This is not a good practice, but for a momentary test,
this may isolate your problem. The solenoid needs 12 volts to open,
then the circuit drops this voltage to about 4 to 8 volt to hold it
open, So again it is not a good idea to keep 12 volts on the
solenoid for a longer period of time.
For more information check the CCI Controls web site .
http://www.ccicontrols.com

or

http://www.ccicontrols.com/7719%20Instru...200704.pdf

Bill 88 FC



--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> wrote:
> >Bill, Thanks for that info. I had already tried turning the
> electronic master switch off and back on. May I conclude from your
> response that if the LP detector has totally failed, that if will
> activate the solenoid shut-down switch ?
>
> David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > >
> > Dave,
> > The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also
controlls
> > the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the
> > electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead
> > storage near the load center.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> > > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the gas
> > > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is
> open.
> > > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the
> sights.)
> > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > >
> > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there had
> > been
> > > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit
> the
> > > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant
that
> > > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off?
> > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > 83PT40
> > > > Livingston,Montana
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: David Hanvy
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank
> > > filled at a
> > > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for
a
> > few
> > > days.
> > > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have
no
> > gas
> > > flow
> > > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a
> solenoid
> > > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that
> the
> > > propane
> > > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged
the
> > > pressure
> > > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4
> full
> > as
> > > it
> > > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator
> appears
> > > to
> > > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any
> > > suggestions
> > > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off
> valve,
> > > I
> > > > would appreciate your input.
> > > >
> > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[David Hanvy]

Greg, Thanks. I have determined that there is no power coming to the
LP leak detector. I pulled it out and ran power to it directly from
the battery and it will light up. This seems to lead me back to a
failed part in the LP system. David Hanvy 89WB PT40 Crosby Tx

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory OConnor"
wrote:
>
> Dave, dont rule out that the auto shutdown feature is working and
> there is infact a leak. I learned that the manual tank valve must
be
> fully opened or fully closed to seat proper. My 94 needs 110
> electric via inverter or other source for the stove to light. I
dont
> know if the dash mounted AT switch will shut down the gas but it
is
> worth a look. Hope it does not stand in the way of your trip
> Gregory O'Connor
> 94ptRomolandCA
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave,
> > The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also
controlls
> > the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the
> > electronic master switch , our switch is located in the overhead
> > storage near the load center.
> >
> > Bill 88 FC
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> > > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the
gas
> > > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is
> open.
> > > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the
> sights.)
> > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > >
> > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there
had
> > been
> > > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and hit
the
> > > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant
that
> > > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off?
> > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > 83PT40
> > > > Livingston,Montana
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: David Hanvy
> > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
> > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane tank
> > > filled at a
> > > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building for
a
> > few
> > > days.
> > > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I have
no
> > gas
> > > flow
> > > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a
> solenoid
> > > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible that
> the
> > > propane
> > > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged
the
> > > pressure
> > > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4
full
> > as
> > > it
> > > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator
> appears
> > > to
> > > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has any
> > > suggestions
> > > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off
> valve,
> > > I
> > > > would appreciate your input.
> > > >
> > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[David Hanvy]

Hi Bill, I have determined that there is no power to the detector. I
pulled it out and applied power to the unit direct from the battery
and it lights up. Now I need to find the incoming power source to
the gas detector. I have a call in to Wanderlodge but I plan to
check the CCI Controls web site.

David 89 WB

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"
wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I am mostly familiar with our 88 FC, But some of the electrical
> drawings that I have do refer to a PT. As you probably already
know
> Propane is dangerous and can explode and kill. And your tank is
full.
> So if you want to continue, Check that the master shut off and
the
> electronic master switches are turned ON.
>
> I have one, two stage pressure regulator, some BB's have more than
> one regulator, so check the propane at all appliances, such as:
> stove, all heaters and refrig etc. If all propane is shut off ,
> again check the main manual shut off valve. Rotate it again
ON/OFF/On.
>
> If still no propane, I would then suspect the auto propane
detector
> shut down. It should have a test button, with a light and an
alarm.
> Find the shut off solenoid. It is easy to hear and feel the
magnetic
> solenoid activate when the power is applied to the propane
detector.
> If you decide that the auto shut off is
defective.
> You could try to apply 12volt DC directly to the terminals of the
> solenoid. This is not a good practice, but for a momentary test,
> this may isolate your problem. The solenoid needs 12 volts to
open,
> then the circuit drops this voltage to about 4 to 8 volt to hold
it
> open, So again it is not a good idea to keep 12 volts on the
> solenoid for a longer period of time.
> For more information check the CCI Controls web site .
> http://www.ccicontrols.com
>
> or
>
> http://www.ccicontrols.com/7719%20Instru...200704.pdf
>
> Bill 88 FC
>
>
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy" <shanvy@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "pattypape"

> > wrote:
> > >Bill, Thanks for that info. I had already tried turning the
> > electronic master switch off and back on. May I conclude from
your
> > response that if the LP detector has totally failed, that if
will
> > activate the solenoid shut-down switch ?
> >
> > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > > >
> > > Dave,
> > > The propane detector under the frig needs power, it also
> controlls
> > > the auto propane solenoid shut off switch, Try turning on the
> > > electronic master switch , our switch is located in the
overhead
> > > storage near the load center.
> > >
> > > Bill 88 FC
> > >
> > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "David Hanvy"
<shanvy@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com,
wrote:
> > > > >Ernie, Thanks for the quick reponse. I will take apart the
gas
> > > > detector and look for issues. The manually operated valve is
> > open.
> > > > (I hope to make it up to Montana this year and take in the
> > sights.)
> > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > > >
> > > > > David, i have had to take apart my gas detector, as there
had
> > > been
> > > > some lint/dirt buildup in there. Once I blew that out and
hit
> > the
> > > > reset button, everything worked. Also, could the attendant
> that
> > > > filled your tank, manually shut the main valve off?
> > > > > Ernie Ekberg
> > > > > 83PT40
> > > > > Livingston,Montana
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: David Hanvy
> > > > > To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:59 PM
> > > > > Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Propane System Issue
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Recently upon returning from a trip, I had my propane
tank
> > > > filled at a
> > > > > FlyingJ and then left the coach in my storage building
for
> a
> > > few
> > > > days.
> > > > > Today as I was packing to leave again, I find that I
have
> no
> > > gas
> > > > flow
> > > > > to the inside of the coach. I can only conclude that a
> > solenoid
> > > > > activated cut-off valve is the reason. Is it possible
that
> > the
> > > > propane
> > > > > tank could have been over-pressured and possibly damaged
> the
> > > > pressure
> > > > > regulator ? However the gauge inside the coach reads 3/4
> > full
> > > as
> > > > it
> > > > > should. The gas detector located below the refrigerator
> > appears
> > > > to
> > > > > have no power or is not working either. If anyone has
any
> > > > suggestions
> > > > > or knows the location of the solenoid activated shut-off
> > valve,
> > > > I
> > > > > would appreciate your input.
> > > > >
> > > > > David Hanvy 89 WB PT40 Crosby, TX
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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