Painting where clearcoat has peeled

[Don Bradner]

I have not found anybody who can translate my paint codes into anything, but the
reader at the local Dupont dealer made about as close to a perfect match as was
possible, to my untrained eye.

If someone can tell me what paint is likely to be involved in a code like this I
would like to know: 54 FLE 81789 Gold

On 4/8/2007 at 9:37 AM M Thomas Eastham wrote:

>Great discussion! I am planning to do some touch up and paint a new
>gen door panel(don't ask) on my 83' FC35. It's the brown / tan
>combo outside. Anybody know where the paint codes are on it or what
>colors those are? If not I will just pull something small off to
>have it matched.
>
>I'm guessing these older birds don't have clearcoat on them as I have
>never seen one pealing. I'm sure I can get decent results with lots
>of patience and a little elbow grease.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA

[Leroy Eckert]

The paint on my coach is BASF. The colors are all five digit numbers. When I
get home today I will look closer at it. There is one supplier in my area.
I'll look at the can for more info. It is likely that yours is the same mfg.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL



----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled


I have not found anybody who can translate my paint codes into anything, but
the reader at the local Dupont dealer made about as close to a perfect match as
was possible, to my untrained eye.

If someone can tell me what paint is likely to be involved in a code like this
I would like to know: 54 FLE 81789 Gold

On 4/8/2007 at 9:37 AM M Thomas Eastham wrote:

>Great discussion! I am planning to do some touch up and paint a new
>gen door panel(don't ask) on my 83' FC35. It's the brown / tan
>combo outside. Anybody know where the paint codes are on it or what
>colors those are? If not I will just pull something small off to
>have it matched.
>
>I'm guessing these older birds don't have clearcoat on them as I have
>never seen one pealing. I'm sure I can get decent results with lots
>of patience and a little elbow grease.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA





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[chet geist]

Thomas,

I called Blue Bird and gave them my body number and they gave me my paint
codes (Dupont). Have not tried to get the paint so I don't know how good
the codes are. They have records on all the birds they built. Might be
worth a call. Looking forward to meeting you at Lone Star Bird rally in San
Antonio.

Chet Geist
1981 FC33, Austin, Texas




[chet geist]
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of M Thomas Eastham
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:38 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled


Great discussion! I am planning to do some touch up and paint a new
gen door panel(don't ask) on my 83' FC35. It's the brown / tan
combo outside. Anybody know where the paint codes are on it or what
colors those are? If not I will just pull something small off to
have it matched.

I'm guessing these older birds don't have clearcoat on them as I have
never seen one pealing. I'm sure I can get decent results with lots
of patience and a little elbow grease.

M Thomas Eastham
Houston, TX
83' FC35
84' FC33 parting out

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[Leroy Eckert]

I sure does not hurt to call. They were not able to provide that info to me.
Someone who had been there forever finally came up with the name BASF for me and
that got me going. It took me awhile to figure it out. Once a supplier is
found, it is no problem.
I had never heard of BASF.
There is a member on this forum who has all the BASF paint codes but I have lost
his name.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL



----- Original Message -----
From: chet geist
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled


Thomas,

I called Blue Bird and gave them my body number and they gave me my paint
codes (Dupont). Have not tried to get the paint so I don't know how good
the codes are. They have records on all the birds they built. Might be
worth a call. Looking forward to meeting you at Lone Star Bird rally in San
Antonio.

Chet Geist
1981 FC33, Austin, Texas

[chet geist]
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of M Thomas Eastham
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:38 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled

Great discussion! I am planning to do some touch up and paint a new
gen door panel(don't ask) on my 83' FC35. It's the brown / tan
combo outside. Anybody know where the paint codes are on it or what
colors those are? If not I will just pull something small off to
have it matched.

I'm guessing these older birds don't have clearcoat on them as I have
never seen one pealing. I'm sure I can get decent results with lots
of patience and a little elbow grease.

M Thomas Eastham
Houston, TX
83' FC35
84' FC33 parting out

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[Leroy Eckert]

Don: I looked in the files section member to member to see if I could tweak my
memory and found who I believe decoded my paint codes for BASF. Look up Lee
Condosta in member to member. I'm positive he is the person.

Leroy Eckert
1990WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL


----- Original Message -----
From: Don Bradner
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled


I have not found anybody who can translate my paint codes into anything, but
the reader at the local Dupont dealer made about as close to a perfect match as
was possible, to my untrained eye.

If someone can tell me what paint is likely to be involved in a code like this
I would like to know: 54 FLE 81789 Gold

On 4/8/2007 at 9:37 AM M Thomas Eastham wrote:

>Great discussion! I am planning to do some touch up and paint a new
>gen door panel(don't ask) on my 83' FC35. It's the brown / tan
>combo outside. Anybody know where the paint codes are on it or what
>colors those are? If not I will just pull something small off to
>have it matched.
>
>I'm guessing these older birds don't have clearcoat on them as I have
>never seen one pealing. I'm sure I can get decent results with lots
>of patience and a little elbow grease.

Don Bradner
90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
Eureka, CA





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[chet geist]

Leroy/Thomas

BASF/RM numbers are referenced in the Bus Spec Catalog I have and are cross
referenced to Dupont numbers. Only problem is they are for school bus
colors and interior colors. No reference to Wanderlodges. I also have a
Wamderlodge Quick Reference Parts Catalog with all Dupont air dry numbers
for Wanderlodges 1963 - 1985. Thomas I will have it with me at the Lone
Star Bird rally. I think someone in the L.S. B. got these for us, might
have been Ralph.

Chet Geist
1981 FC33, Austin, Texas


-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Leroy Eckert
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:47 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled


I sure does not hurt to call. They were not able to provide that info to
me. Someone who had been there forever finally came up with the name BASF
for me and that got me going. It took me awhile to figure it out. Once a
supplier is found, it is no problem.
I had never heard of BASF.
There is a member on this forum who has all the BASF paint codes but I
have lost his name.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: chet geist
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled

Thomas,

I called Blue Bird and gave them my body number and they gave me my paint
codes (Dupont). Have not tried to get the paint so I don't know how good
the codes are. They have records on all the birds they built. Might be
worth a call. Looking forward to meeting you at Lone Star Bird rally in
San
Antonio.

Chet Geist
1981 FC33, Austin, Texas

[chet geist]
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of M Thomas Eastham
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:38 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled

Great discussion! I am planning to do some touch up and paint a new
gen door panel(don't ask) on my 83' FC35. It's the brown / tan
combo outside. Anybody know where the paint codes are on it or what
colors those are? If not I will just pull something small off to
have it matched.

I'm guessing these older birds don't have clearcoat on them as I have
never seen one pealing. I'm sure I can get decent results with lots
of patience and a little elbow grease.

M Thomas Eastham
Houston, TX
83' FC35
84' FC33 parting out

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[Leroy Eckert]

I understand the problem. I went through that drill for a month when trying to
figure out my paint. No paint store could figure out the numbers on the tag.
Once I concluded BASF it was easy, once I found a supplier, and that is another
story.

I have a can of base coat in front of me, over 2/3sd of the label in a foreign
language as follows:

R-M Diamont Polyester Basecoat, Exportador, BASF Corp, Southfield, MI, 48034,
Eatados Unidos. Made in the USA/Distributed by BASF, Southfield, MI 48034.
This particular color is Turquoise, or there abouts, named Medium Lagoon
Metallic, code #81573. My supplier is a very small store locally. Makes one
wonder how the largest chemical company in the world, based in Germany, would
not have easy to fine suppliers. My underestanding is that Ford and Mercedes
Benz use this paint. I also heard from BB that it was used in 1990 and possibly
in 1991. To make matters worse, I have a Royale conversion and who knows what
they did. Records are sketchy at best. I have found that my paint, 17 years
old is of top quality.
That is all I can do to help. I have all four colors for my coach.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL


----- Original Message -----
From: chet geist
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled


Leroy/Thomas

BASF/RM numbers are referenced in the Bus Spec Catalog I have and are cross
referenced to Dupont numbers. Only problem is they are for school bus
colors and interior colors. No reference to Wanderlodges. I also have a
Wamderlodge Quick Reference Parts Catalog with all Dupont air dry numbers
for Wanderlodges 1963 - 1985. Thomas I will have it with me at the Lone
Star Bird rally. I think someone in the L.S. B. got these for us, might
have been Ralph.

Chet Geist
1981 FC33, Austin, Texas

-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Leroy Eckert
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:47 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled

I sure does not hurt to call. They were not able to provide that info to
me. Someone who had been there forever finally came up with the name BASF
for me and that got me going. It took me awhile to figure it out. Once a
supplier is found, it is no problem.
I had never heard of BASF.
There is a member on this forum who has all the BASF paint codes but I
have lost his name.

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL

Leroy Eckert
1990 WB-40"Smoke N Mirrors"
Niceville, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: chet geist
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled

Thomas,

I called Blue Bird and gave them my body number and they gave me my paint
codes (Dupont). Have not tried to get the paint so I don't know how good
the codes are. They have records on all the birds they built. Might be
worth a call. Looking forward to meeting you at Lone Star Bird rally in
San
Antonio.

Chet Geist
1981 FC33, Austin, Texas

[chet geist]
-----Original Message-----
From: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of M Thomas Eastham
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:38 AM
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: Painting where clearcoat has peeled

Great discussion! I am planning to do some touch up and paint a new
gen door panel(don't ask) on my 83' FC35. It's the brown / tan
combo outside. Anybody know where the paint codes are on it or what
colors those are? If not I will just pull something small off to
have it matched.

I'm guessing these older birds don't have clearcoat on them as I have
never seen one pealing. I'm sure I can get decent results with lots
of patience and a little elbow grease.

M Thomas Eastham
Houston, TX
83' FC35
84' FC33 parting out

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[lcondosta]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Don Bradner"
wrote: Don Iam a BASF paint jobber I can help you
>with your paint codes on your coach.I also can cross reference most
Dupont codes. Lee Condosta Automotive Refinish Products 85 PT 40
> Blue Thunder has peeling clearcoat all along the upper edges. I'm
not likely to spring for a full paint job, so my choices were to do
nothing, or attempt some spot repair.
>
> The back cap was the worst, depending on angle and lighting. I
tried some test spots of fresh clear-coat, but the colors did not
match, so I decided to paint.
>
> Over the past couple of days, because we had good weather for it, I
did the largest area which is blue. Clearcoat was removed with
plastic scraper and 220-grit Re sandpaper, then everything was sanded
with 400-grit.
>
> I used Dupont Nason 2K Ful-Thane urethane, which does not need a
clearcoat. Saves a lot of work and about half the cost. The results
are not professional, but more than adequate especially for an area
11 feet off the ground where nobody is going to be looking at it
closely.
>
> I've put up a page with before/during/after pictures at
http://www.arcatapet.net/travel/painting.cfm
>
> I probably won't get to the rest of the blue, or the red and gold
portions, until sometime this summer.
>
> Don Bradner
> 90 PT40 "Blue Thunder"
> Eureka, CA
>