Considering heated Tile floors

[Jack and Liz Pearce]

Howdy.

Since our kitchen and bathroom tile floors need to be replace, we are
considering having heated
tile floors. Do you have them in your coach? Pros or cons would be
appreciated.


TIA,
Liz
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WLWB

[Kurt Horvath]

Hi Liz,

I have heated tile floors in the Bath Room of my house. NICE! there is nothing
like warm feet in the morning. Can set the temp to over 100 degrees. I also
lived in an apt in Belgium that had heated floors in the entire apt. Very nice
indeed. If your feet are warn the air temp doesn't seem to much matter. I am
going to replace the tiles in my kitchen and bath on my coach, I will place
electric heating mats on the floor before the tiles go in. I'm not sure of the
draw on the electric system in your coach, but as with any 120V heating system,
it is power hungry. There are also hydronic units that use antifreeze in pipes
that are laid on the floor under the tiles. They use a special plastic pipe, The
problem you may run into is the thickness of these pipes. If you can over come
this, then you would have unlimited heat if you could run the system through
your engine. I heard of these systems in some of the other custom coaches,
(PREVOST). So I know it can be
done. Just a question of time & money. Good luck, let us know how it goes.

Kurt Horvath
'95 PT-42 WLWB
10 AC


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack and Liz Pearce
To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 5:29:22 PM
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Considering heated Tile floors

Howdy.

Since our kitchen and bathroom tile floors need to be replace, we are
considering having heated
tile floors. Do you have them in your coach? Pros or cons would be
appreciated.

TIA,
Liz
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WLWB






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[erniecarpet@...]

Liz, heated tile floors are quite common in our northern climates. After
just completing Wallace and Fayes 95 42 WLWB, I can shed a little light on what
you need to expect. Their coach had some cracked tiles, also. Although, those
tiles came up fairly easily, the rest was a different story. We- Bim Burt and
I had to use an air chisel, to get up the tile- in little pieces. That
process took 2 days of intense labor. The dust, even though we covered couches,
chairs, and bed was everywhere. That is the only way to take that material up.
Of course, you cannot live in the coach while this process takes place. We
took an additional 2 days to do the wood installation. I suspect that tile
installation would even take longer. Again, you must vacate the coach, as you
cannot walk on the tile till the mastic/thinset hardens.
The expense of motel rooms must be factored in your price, along with the
labor to remove the tile, grout and thinset- to make the floor smooth. The price
for your heated mats are quite expensive, also. On our demo, we gouged the
floor due to the fact that the tile and mastic would not come up inless you
chiseled under that material. We had to put some leveling material down to
counteract that previous procedure.
I don't want to scare you on this project, just to give you some insight on
what to expect.

Ernie Ekberg
83PT40
Weatherford, Tx




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[Jack and Liz Pearce]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, Kurt Horvath
wrote:
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> I have heated tile floors in the Bath Room of my house. NICE! there is
nothing like warm feet in the morning. Can set the temp to over 100
degrees. I also lived in an apt in Belgium that had heated floors in the
entire apt. Very nice indeed. If your feet are warn the air temp doesn't
seem to much matter. I am going to replace the tiles in my kitchen and
bath on my coach, I will place electric heating mats on the floor before
the tiles go in. I'm not sure of the draw on the electric system in your
coach, but as with any 120V heating system, it is power hungry. There
are also hydronic units that use antifreeze in pipes that are laid on
the floor under the tiles. They use a special plastic pipe, The problem
you may run into is the thickness of these pipes. If you can over come
this, then you would have unlimited heat if you could run the system
through your engine. I heard of these systems in some of the other
custom coaches, (PREVOST). So I know it can be
> done. Just a question of time & money. Good luck, let us know how it
goes.
>
> Kurt Horvath
> '95 PT-42 WLWB

Howdy, Kurt.
Thanks for writing a very informative reply. []

Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WLWB
Leaving for Hondo, TX



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[Jack and Liz Pearce]

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, erniecarpet@... wrote:
>
> Liz, heated tile floors are quite common in our northern climates.
After
> just completing Wallace and Fayes 95 42 WLWB, I can shed a little
light on what
> you need to expect. Their coach had some cracked tiles, also.
Although, those
> tiles came up fairly easily, the rest was a different story. We- Bim
Burt and
> I had to use an air chisel, to get up the tile- in little pieces.
That
> process took 2 days of intense labor. The dust, even though we
covered couches,
> chairs, and bed was everywhere. That is the only way to take that
material up.
> Of course, you cannot live in the coach while this process takes
place. We
> took an additional 2 days to do the wood installation. I suspect that
tile
> installation would even take longer. Again, you must vacate the
coach, as you
> cannot walk on the tile till the mastic/thinset hardens.
> The expense of motel rooms must be factored in your price, along with
the
> labor to remove the tile, grout and thinset- to make the floor smooth.
The price
> for your heated mats are quite expensive, also. On our demo, we
gouged the
> floor due to the fact that the tile and mastic would not come up
inless you
> chiseled under that material. We had to put some leveling material
down to
> counteract that previous procedure.
> I don't want to scare you on this project, just to give you some
insight on
> what to expect.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Tx


Howdy, Ernie.

Thanks for writing and the information. We might impose on our son for
lodging. Heaven knows he stayed in our house for years!!!

See you soon.
Regards,
Jack and Liz Pearce
Fulltiming in a 1993 Wanderlodge WLWB
Leaving for Hondo tomorrow.

[Pete Masterson]

I can affirm that the tile doesn't come up easily -- and it's a multi-
day job. I replaced the flooring from the doorway to the bedroom,
down the side aisle past the bathroom all the way to the dashboard
with bamboo flooring planks (glued down).

While the galley area tile was it pretty good shape, it was laid with
a concave border on one side and (with my skill set) I felt that I'd
never be able to cut the floor planks to meet attractively to the
tile -- so out it came.

It was very firmly glued down over a base of 'Wonderboard' (a cement-
like sheet) that was in turn glued and screwed into the 1/2" plywood
sub-floor. Unlike Ernie, I don't have an air chisel, so removal was
done using a pry-bar and 10# sledge hammer. This didn't toss much
dust around -- but it did tear up the sub-floor significantly. It
took about 5 or 6 hours to pull up all the tile in the kitchen area.
That's not a full day, but I was pretty well "done" for the day once
the tile was up and the area swept up and vacuumed.

I used my circular saw to cut out a section (about 3 x 6 feet) of the
subfloor. Adjust the depth of the blade carefull, as there be steel
underneath, so expect to ruin a circular saw blade (at least I did --
but it was an old one). After screwing down the replacement sub-floor
piece (you'll need to drill pilot holes in the steel sub-subfloor), I
touched up the remaining area (and small gap around the sub-floor
patch) with self-leveling filler.

Then I was able to proceed with laying the new flooring (a multi-day
job itself).

I could not have done this while on the road ... it was only possible
to do while we were at 'home base.' Had we opted to replace the
carpet instead of going to the bamboo, the time spent with the
project would have been considerably less -- and I wouldn't have had
to pull up the tile...

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
aeonix1@...
On the road at Lockhart, Texas



On Nov 19, 2007, at 6:52 AM, erniecarpet@... wrote:

> Liz, heated tile floors are quite common in our northern climates.
> After
> just completing Wallace and Fayes 95 42 WLWB, I can shed a little
> light on what
> you need to expect. Their coach had some cracked tiles, also.
> Although, those
> tiles came up fairly easily, the rest was a different story. We-
> Bim Burt and
> I had to use an air chisel, to get up the tile- in little pieces.
> That
> process took 2 days of intense labor. The dust, even though we
> covered couches,
> chairs, and bed was everywhere. That is the only way to take that
> material up.
> Of course, you cannot live in the coach while this process takes
> place. We
> took an additional 2 days to do the wood installation. I suspect
> that tile
> installation would even take longer. Again, you must vacate the
> coach, as you
> cannot walk on the tile till the mastic/thinset hardens.
> The expense of motel rooms must be factored in your price, along
> with the
> labor to remove the tile, grout and thinset- to make the floor
> smooth. The price
> for your heated mats are quite expensive, also. On our demo, we
> gouged the
> floor due to the fact that the tile and mastic would not come up
> inless you
> chiseled under that material. We had to put some leveling material
> down to
> counteract that previous procedure.
> I don't want to scare you on this project, just to give you some
> insight on
> what to expect.
>
> Ernie Ekberg
> 83PT40
> Weatherford, Tx
>
>
>
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