LXi Front Anti-Sway Bar

[Ken Sann]

Can't you just remove the link from one side, and tie that link out of the way?
True, there will still be a bit of unsprung weight, but I really don't
think that it would matter.



ken
wannabe in SoCal

On Jan 23, 2008 10:54 AM, david brady wrote:
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> Brad,
>
> I removed the two vertical links and swung the bar up and secured it
> out of the way. After a thousand miles I'm sure that mine won't be
> going back on, so I do plan to completely remove the bar. Removing the
> links and swinging the bar out of the way is quick and easy, then you
> can go for a test drive on a bumpy road to see what you think.
>
> David Brady
> '02 LXi, Fl
>
> --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@...>
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> wrote:
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> > David,
> > Sounds fascinating. That's one of the biggest disappointments I have
> with my beautiful coach- the porpoising. I'm going to study your notes
> more carefully and may have mine removed before my western trip in
> about a month. Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@...
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[david brady]

Brad,

I know exactly what you mean by "slowing down to get better control".
Sure, I may have given up razor sharp handling, but in return I now
look forward to bumps , and don't have to slow waiting for the
beast to settle. All-in-all I think I made an improvement in handling.

David Brady
'02 LXi, Fl

--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@...>
wrote:
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>
> David,
> I might just have that done. I don't have the facility for it
myself. I've been on some bridges and overpasses that have such a
vertical undulating frequency that I have to slow down to get better
control. I even worry about blowing an airbag or a tire. And I had
the shocks tightened up with I first got it. Driving a Newell for
five years (no tag) I would have to struggle on a really bad
crosswind..and I enjoy the lateral stability of the Blue Bird with
the tag. But what you've found is very interesting. I'm also still
struggling with the tag solenoid releasing the following tag on rough
roads at slow speed. I think I'll have it bypassed completely out.
Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@...
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> To: WanderlodgeForum@...: dmb993@...: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:54:58
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>
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> Brad,I removed the two vertical links and swung the bar up and
secured it out of the way. After a thousand miles I'm sure that mine
won't be going back on, so I do plan to completely remove the bar.
Removing the links and swinging the bar out of the way is quick and
easy, then you can go for a test drive on a bumpy road to see what
you think.David Brady'02 LXi, Fl--- In
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David,> Sounds fascinating. That's one of the biggest disappointments
I have with my beautiful coach- the porpoising. I'm going to study
your notes more carefully and may have mine removed before my western
trip in about a month. Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@>
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[david brady]

Ken,

For a short road test, I think removing one link is sufficient. If
you want to try it for a thousand miles, then I think removing both
and securing the bar is safer.

David Brady
'02 LXi, Fl


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Sann"
wrote:
>
> Can't you just remove the link from one side, and tie that link out
of the way?
> True, there will still be a bit of unsprung weight, but I really
don't
> think that it would matter.
>
>
>
> ken
> wannabe in SoCal
>
> On Jan 23, 2008 10:54 AM, david brady wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > I removed the two vertical links and swung the bar up and secured
it
> > out of the way. After a thousand miles I'm sure that mine won't be
> > going back on, so I do plan to completely remove the bar.
Removing the
> > links and swinging the bar out of the way is quick and easy, then
you
> > can go for a test drive on a bumpy road to see what you think.
> >
> > David Brady
> > '02 LXi, Fl
> >
> > --- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@>
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > David,
> > > Sounds fascinating. That's one of the biggest disappointments I
have
> > with my beautiful coach- the porpoising. I'm going to study your
notes
> > more carefully and may have mine removed before my western trip in
> > about a month. Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@
> > > __________________________________________________________
> >
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>

[brad barton]

David,

Just talked w/ Jesse Gibson. For what it's worth, he said he'd never heard of removing the anti-sway bar from the front end of an LXi and was not in favor of it. Hesuggested my shocks may not have been adjusted properly even when they were tightened up. I went through some of the pressures and weights you mentioned, but didn't feelright about bending his ear too much. I may have CCW check and adjust my shocks when in SoCal next month. And I'll shop their opinion about the anti-sway bar when I'm there.

Meanwhile, Earle was able to find the right deadbolt to fit my entry lock..so it's on the way.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
bbartonwx@...

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[Pete Masterson]

If CCW can't fix it up, a visit to Henderson's Line-Up in Grants Pass
OR might be worthwhile. They'll be able to tell you how your
suspension stacks up...

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
aeonix1@...



On Jan 25, 2008, at 11:45 AM, brad barton wrote:

> David,
> Just talked w/ Jesse Gibson. For what it's worth, he said he'd
> never heard of removing the anti-sway bar from the front end of an
> LXi and was not in favor of it. He suggested my shocks may not
> have been adjusted properly even when they were tightened up. I
> went through some of the pressures and weights you mentioned, but
> didn't feel right about bending his ear too much. I may have CCW
> check and adjust my shocks when in SoCal next month. And I'll shop
> their opinion about the anti-sway bar when I'm there.
> Meanwhile, Earle was able to find the right deadbolt to fit my
> entry lock..so it's on the way.
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> bbartonwx@...
>

[brad barton]

Thanks Pete,

I won't be able to make it that far North. We're going DFW to LA to Phoenix to Tucson and back in 10 days. May stop by Quartzite for a night.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
bbartonwx@...

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: aeonix1@...
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:12:11 -0700
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: LXi Front Anti-Sway Bar

If CCW can't fix it up, a visit to Henderson's Line-Up in Grants Pass
OR might be worthwhile. They'll be able to tell you how your
suspension stacks up...

Pete Masterson
'95 Blue Bird Wanderlodge WBDA 42
El Sobrante CA
"aeonix1@mac.com"

On Jan 25, 2008, at 11:45 AM, brad barton wrote:

> David,
> Just talked w/ Jesse Gibson. For what it's worth, he said he'd
> never heard of removing the anti-sway bar from the front end of an
> LXi and was not in favor of it. He suggested my shocks may not
> have been adjusted properly even when they were tightened up. I
> went through some of the pressures and weights you mentioned, but
> didn't feel right about bending his ear too much. I may have CCW
> check and adjust my shocks when in SoCal next month. And I'll shop
> their opinion about the anti-sway bar when I'm there.
> Meanwhile, Earle was able to find the right deadbolt to fit my
> entry lock..so it's on the way.
>
> Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
> "bbartonwx@hotmail.com"
>

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[david brady]

Brad,

I'm not surprised; corporate liability. They won't do it if they
don't have to. Why open yourself up to a potential lawsuit. We as
owners, however, are free to do as we please. The difference in
handling w/o the bar requires one to recalibrate his driving
approach. Once that is accomplished, the coach feels predictable, as
usual. Allowing the front suspension to react to the road
unencombered by a roll bar is eye opening. I think a softer bar is
really what's needed. Something on the order of 500 to 1000 lb/in of
spring rate at the wheel, or maybe an HWH Active Air setup (talk
about opening yourself up to liability). Coming from a Newell where
you had to struggle in gusty winds, I don't think you'd have any
problem at all. With due respect to Jesse, I don't think yet-another-
shock-adjustment will do much to change your coach. Remember, every
Wanderlodge up to the LXi was shipped w/o a sway bar, even the late
model 43' Wide Bodies equipped with Series 60 motors. These units are
practically identical to LXi's in weight, wheelbase, overhang, and
weight distribution. In the end, each of us needs to function within
our own confort zones, and each of us needs to take responsibilty for
our own actions.

David Brady
'02 LXi, NC


--- In WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com, brad barton <bbartonwx@...>
wrote:
>
>
> David,
> Just talked w/ Jesse Gibson. For what it's worth, he said he'd
never heard of removing the anti-sway bar from the front end of an
LXi and was not in favor of it. He suggested my shocks may not have
been adjusted properly even when they were tightened up. I went
through some of the pressures and weights you mentioned, but didn't
feel right about bending his ear too much. I may have CCW check and
adjust my shocks when in SoCal next month. And I'll shop their
opinion about the anti-sway bar when I'm there.
> Meanwhile, Earle was able to find the right deadbolt to fit my
entry lock..so it's on the way. Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@...
> _________________________________________________________________
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[brad barton]

David,

I'm sure there's a lot of truth in what you say. My son, a wouldbe gearhead who plays with suspension,agrees with the smaller, weaker roll-bar approach. I'll do a little more asking around various places, not being an engineer or anything.CCW and Blue Bird should hear what you have to say.You might help them rewrite the book.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
bbartonwx@...

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: dmb993@...
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:00:03 +0000
Subject: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: LXi Front Anti-Sway Bar

Brad,

I'm not surprised; corporate liability. They won't do it if they
don't have to. Why open yourself up to a potential lawsuit. We as
owners, however, are free to do as we please. The difference in
handling w/o the bar requires one to recalibrate his driving
approach. Once that is accomplished, the coach feels predictable, as
usual. Allowing the front suspension to react to the road
unencombered by a roll bar is eye opening. I think a softer bar is
really what's needed. Something on the order of 500 to 1000 lb/in of
spring rate at the wheel, or maybe an HWH Active Air setup (talk
about opening yourself up to liability). Coming from a Newell where
you had to struggle in gusty winds, I don't think you'd have any
problem at all. With due respect to Jesse, I don't think yet-another-
shock-adjustment will do much to change your coach. Remember, every
Wanderlodge up to the LXi was shipped w/o a sway bar, even the late
model 43' Wide Bodies equipped with Series 60 motors. These units are
practically identical to LXi's in weight, wheelbase, overhang, and
weight distribution. In the end, each of us needs to function within
our own confort zones, and each of us needs to take responsibilty for
our own actions.

David Brady
'02 LXi, NC

--- In "WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com", brad barton <bbartonwx@.<WBR>..>
wrote:
>
>
> David,
> Just talked w/ Jesse Gibson. For what it's worth, he said he'd
never heard of removing the anti-sway bar from the front end of an
LXi and was not in favor of it. He suggested my shocks may not have
been adjusted properly even when they were tightened up. I went
through some of the pressures and weights you mentioned, but didn't
feel right about bending his ear too much. I may have CCW check and
adjust my shocks when in SoCal next month. And I'll shop their
opinion about the anti-sway bar when I'm there.
> Meanwhile, Earle was able to find the right deadbolt to fit my
entry lock..so it's on the way. Brad Barton 00LXiDFWbbartonwx@...
> __________________________________________________________
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[David Brady]

Folks,

I just completed a 2000 mi trip sans front sway bar and am very pleased
with the ride and handling. The bus does lean a bit more in a turn, but it
quickly settles and feels totally predictable. I learned something new about
LXi's during my trip. I had a chance to look over a non-slide 2000 LXi and
found that the sway bar is 1.75" in dia. versus my (slide equipped) 2.125"
dia. bar. My bar comes in at 5000 lb/in spring rate, while the 1.75" bar is
2350 lb/in. Quite a difference. It seems extreme to double the spring
rate simply
to accommodate an aluminum slide, which incidentally has most of its heavy
weight components (booms, hydraulics, etc) down low close to the CG.
The 1.75" bar does provide another option for those of us who don't want to
completely eliminate the bar. I'd like to try an even lighter weight bar, on
the order of 1000 lb/in. In the meantime, in an effort to keep the bus more
upright, I'm looking into Ridewell's Extreme Air height control valves.
These
valves narrow the dead band to 3 degrees and flow 10 cfm of air. They do
require 3/8" air lines however

David Brady
'02 LXi, NC

[brad barton]

David,

Great to hear your coach is handling well. We are having the brakes and undercarriage inspected and the shocks re-adjusted per spec which is the "company" way to reduce porpoising. We'll be on the road West in another week. I'll let you know how they did.

Brad Barton 00LXiDFW
bbartonwx@...

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To: WanderlodgeForum@yahoogroups.com
From: dmb993@...
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:59:59 -0500
Subject: Re: [WanderlodgeForum] Re: LXi Front Anti-Sway Bar

Folks,

I just completed a 2000 mi trip sans front sway bar and am very pleased
with the ride and handling. The bus does lean a bit more in a turn, but it
quickly settles and feels totally predictable. I learned something new about
LXi's during my trip. I had a chance to look over a non-slide 2000 LXi and
found that the sway bar is 1.75" in dia. versus my (slide equipped) 2.125"
dia. bar. My bar comes in at 5000 lb/in spring rate, while the 1.75" bar is
2350 lb/in. Quite a difference. It seems extreme to double the spring
rate simply
to accommodate an aluminum slide, which incidentally has most of its heavy
weight components (booms, hydraulics, etc) down low close to the CG.
The 1.75" bar does provide another option for those of us who don't want to
completely eliminate the bar. I'd like to try an even lighter weight bar, on
the order of 1000 lb/in. In the meantime, in an effort to keep the bus more
upright, I'm looking into Ridewell's Extreme Air height control valves.
These
valves narrow the dead band to 3 degrees and flow 10 cfm of air. They do
require 3/8" air lines however

David Brady
'02 LXi, NC

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